jms62
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Yes. Yes. Pretty good.
You could probably build in escalators based on games played and such.
You are too funny and with zero self awareness to boot. Give me a percentage not the usual non committal answer. If he does come here though I will certainly be rooting for him to bring this team to the playoffs. Your body of work here is pretty clear me if we don't change QB's you won't be rooting for TT the same way eh Bills fan?
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What?
I can see Romo getting a 2-3 year deal with the first 2 guaranteed at $18-20M per
And you think that risk is ok for a guy who hasn't played but a handful of games in 2 years? You also think that a guy with his history of injuries and playing his whole career in good weather and desire to show the Cowboys they were wrong about him would come to a Cold weather team that hasn't made the playoffs in 16 years whose main problem is their defense? Again I ask what do you rate the chances he comes to Buffalo?
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So what was your argument about Romo's numbers even about, if you cannot even hazard a guess at a rough estimate of what he'd cost?
If Houston is strapped for cash and other teams stay away for the reasons you suggest, what do you think his cap number would be?
Let me ask you a question. You are on chat stating we pay a premium for players and are on this thread stating we won't pay a premium for Romo? Can you even align your own argument.. What makes Buffalo and it's weather so attractive to an aging injured QB? Again I ask since you know it all what number do you think gets him here and I'll go you one further do you think he comes here? If so what are you willing to risk for someone taking the other side?
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Best is relative. What do you think he'd cost to come here? Let's hear it.
I am not in a position to even guess nor have I ever stated I did . You seem to be the guy here with all the answers and probably have a number in mind so what is it? Let's hear it? Being on the chatbox you think we overpaid for a few contracts (And I agree) what do you think the Bills premium will be? So you are saying Bills will not be forced to overpay for Romo here but are on the chat stating they overpaid previously. What makes this different?
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I repeat I don't think Romo comes here.... but Palmer is continuing in 'Zona, and Denver isn't interested. Houston, Chicago and the Jets are the realistic competition.
Houston makes the most sense for many reasons.
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What kind of contract do you think he'll demand?
I find it curious that folks who say Romo is poison, hurt often, a huge mistake, etc etc seem to think he's gonna get a crazy contract.
What makes you think he'd come to Buffalo given other options without Buffalo giving him the best contract? Is it the great weather the second half of the season ? Is it the chance to show everybody he still has it to win the Super Bowl and will come to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 16 years vs a team like Arizona, Houston or Denver? You find it curious??? I find it curious and somewhat deluded that some can come to the conclusion that
A. He reverts to 2014 form after all his injuries
B. He comes to a team with the 4th best shot AT BEST of making a run next year without getting crazy Dollars
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The consequences are we suck in 2017 and are in position to take a shot at a Quarterback in the supposedly strong 2018 class. If the Bills traded for Romo and he got hurt they sucked in 2017 and wanted to cut him his dead cap in 2018 is $3.2m (because the guaranteed bonus stays with the Cowboys). Tyrod's dead cap if they want to move on after 2017 is $14m. I actually think Romo is a big short term risk (in terms of playoff chances next season) but a smaller long term risk.
How do those numbers work if he comes to the Bills and renegotiates his contract? I think it is Pollyanna to think he comes here under existing terms.
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Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade. I don't think the chances of Darnold succeeding or not in the NFL are related in any way to Tyrod and it was when you seemed to make that link that I said it appeared cultish. I understand people responding in an aggressively defensive manner to Ryan Billz because he does throw the bait out there.... but there is a serious decision for the Bills to make on Tyrod and there are sensible arguments on both sides. I just get horribly frustrated when the debate descends into silly extremes.
Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade You state this as if it isn't an ENORMUS RISK for the Bills to take on and also state it as if in all likelihood he will return to 2014 form. Kind of cavalier no considering the consequences?
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I am not a Tyrod hater. And I have answered rationally why I don't think we can expect much if any improvement. I have always said the only option that likely makes us better than Tyrod in 2017 is Romo - I just don't think that is the basis on which we should be taking this decision.
I'm confused about why you jumped back to Tyrod after the discussion about Darnold. You jumped straight back to "almost no Quarterbacks are without faults... that is why we should keep Tyrod." Which is a logical fallacy if ever I saw one.
Of course you aren't... But you lump everyone saying one thing positive about Taylor as a cult member. I am curious why you can do that and are outraged when others do the same back. Romo ? Seriously you are projecting that you get the 2014 version of Romo or the current broken down version? Quite a risk no? You talked about FLAWED QB's as if QB's without flaws were not the EXTREME exception. And again you are reading into my posts WHAT YOU WANT TO you appear far to smart to be doing that without it being purposeful.
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See you keep bringing this back to Tyrod. I was on about why USC Quarterbacks fail. This is why I believe the Tyrod fans are cultish. Every argument seems to end up to them as a justification for keeping Tyrod Taylor. I know Ryan Billz is the opposite but it makes for a debate of irrational extremes.
A proper analysis of the Bills QB situation, in my mind, leads one to the conclusion that this is finely balanced decision.
Typical Tyrod haters response to turn every mention of Tyrod into a cult. You asked me how we should proceed at QB and I told you and you spin it this way when I am simply explaining the whys of the direction you asked me to give. think I explained myself well enough to show my stance is to go with Tyrod this season and then move on if it doesnt work out. I certainly explained why I think he will improve and why I think the offense will regress without him. Why do the haters always turn any rational discussion into anything positive said means we are cultish? IS it they can't argue on the basis of our points?
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The established trend is Quarterbacks with flaws fail.
The list of QB's without a flaw is miniscule and thinking you are going to find him in a down QB draft year while risking a top 10 offense is simply not analyzing the situation rationally. This team is an improved defense, WR and a kicker away from the playoffs this coming year and we may already have most of the pieces in place on defense and a scheme change would do the trick. Unfortunately it doesnt seem to me that Whaley is in board with my thinking as blowing it up this year probably gets him 2 more years. Pegula's simply are to trusting of people that are manipulating the situation to keep getting a paycheck for as long as possible.
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Regular season if they want a high draft pick for him
Regular season if they want a high draft pick for him
So you are advocating sitting Brady or the first 4 games? I love the idea even though it is preposterous.
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Not dismissing your point at all on Darnold. I haven't watched much of him yet and I have previously been similarly critical of USC QBs. They get hype because USC which often distracts from flaws in their game. Kessler, Barkley, Sanchez... the list is long.
EDIT: what I would say is with all those guys the flaws were there on the tape. I haven't evaluated Darnold at all but my view on him by next April will be judged on the film not the uniform.
Guys that bet against of an established trend wind up broke.
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Darnold is impressive but I am not willing to risk the next 5-7 years given the track record of USC QB's. Easy to dismiss my point here because this post will be LONG forgotten before it plays out. I had this same argument with Jets fans when they went with Sanchez.So you think 2018 is a stronger crop and are content to consider drafting a Quarterback there but you don't like Darnold? I have never disputed either that Tyrod led a top 10 scoring offense or that his dual threat ability helps the run game. I do question that a stronger WR corps will help his passing massively. I don't think accuracy is Tyrod's issue (ie. I don't think getting a receiver who makes more difficult catches on balls that are not perfectly thrown is the answer), I think Tyrod's issue is he doesn't see the field well enough and isn't a fast enough decision maker. I think he is what he is at this stage. A solid game manager.
My view is if you like a Quarterback this year you should not let what may or may not be the view of the 2018 class at this point influence your decision making. Looking at the thread we had last year on QBs the Bills should draft there are multiple people advocating trading the farm for Watson in 2017. I don't think college Quarterback classes should be judged a year out from a draft..... nor do I think they should be properly judged half way through college seasons. Judge them when you have got the tape to evaluate a prospects full body of work.
This time ia always different until it isnt and youve wasted 5 years.
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I was not being facetious. I am trying to get a handle on where you stand. So you are in favour of drafting a QB in 2018 but not Darnold? Or are you saying you don't know yet but you definitely don't want Darnold? Do you think there is a realistic chance Tyrod (if they keep him) takes a step forward next year?
I am genuinely trying to get your take on where we stand at Quarterback and what you think the best approach going forward is.
Why are you confused Gunner? It is not that difficult.
1. I will let a USC QB get into a Super Bowl and show me that their college success is more than the system and their being surrounded by an entire offense of players whom where All Americans while recuriteed.
2. I say we have a top ten scoring offense and anyone thinking Tyrods dual threat doesnt have any impact on that is either a fool or has an agenda. I say given a healthy and upgraded contingent of WR's there is a very strong chance his passing improves over last year. Kind of like the Miami game. If he doesnt improve than we are in position to draft a QB in 18 from a stronger crop.
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So you don't wanna draft one in 2018 either (I'm guessing you are on about Darnold / USC)? Serious question JMS do you think Tyrod Taylor is a franchise Quarterback?
I missed it. IS Darnold the only QB available next year? To take my TRUE statemet about the futility of USC QB's in the NFL and twist that into I dont want to draft a QB next year after I said I wanted to is beneath you.
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McShay is dead right. There are no elite prospects. I didn't think there were any elite prospects last year either.... anyone to tell me that Goff or Wentz played like elite prospects in 2016?
My argument has never been this is the best class ever. It has been that this is a normal QB year.... I personally think the top end talent is on a par if not better than what came out last year at the top but there isn't the same depth.
You are aguing this is like 2013. McShay had no QBs with 1st round grades on his 2013 Big Board. He has 2 this year. That is the difference.
Do you think the Bills with their obvious WR needs should draft a QB at 10 or wait until Next year when their is a better crop and from what Tyrod haters are saying we should have a much better draft position... That is my point.
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Look at you attempting to support your claims. You're learning!
Now I'll just keep moving the argument and making **** up and I'll be as good as you...
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Kiper doesn't like this QB class. I'll give you that. McShay has Trubisky and Watson as first rounders on his big board.
Hmmm. I see comprehension is a problem here too.
I didn't see a 1st round Quarterback in that class. I thought EJ and Glennon were best of a bad bunch.
You have BALLS talking about reading comprehension
McShay: I'll say this: It's not a great year to be drafting early and needing a quarterback. There's some depth (depending on how many underclassmen declare), but I don't see any elite prospects among those I've reviewed so far.
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I have. I can't find any.
Well you landed on EJ last time around so there is that. LOL
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Lol you made the claim big boy.
Feel to disregard everything you don't agree with snowflake
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Which pundits? Name them.
I'm not saying 2018 won't be better. I haven't really evaluated those guys so far.
Google and take your pick I am not interested in doing your research for you.
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jms
i have not really seen anywhere that gunner was opposed to bringing back tt
there are actually some of us that want both
He implied that I was attacking because I was a "vitriolic Tyrod fan". If there was a better option this year I am for it. I happen to agree with most pundits that say this just is not a good QB class and the next Good QB class is only a year away. Why be a buyer now when better product will be available next year?
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Agreed. This is not like the 2013 class. And only the vitriolic Tyrod fans think it is because anything that even alludes to the Bills moving on must be attacked at any cost. Frankly it's pathetic.
Agree 100% it is pathetic that most well respected draft pundits don't agree with you either but you twist it into those that disagree with you are vitriolic Tyrod fans..
Browns release Josh McCown
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Right you were rooting Tyrod last season... Oh snowflake your game is so transparent. When you don't want to respond to a question , you respond with a question. Again and I really can't make this any clearer. What percentage do you put on Romo becoming a Bill next year ? As if you didn't understand that the last time. Let's see if you can respond without an insult or asking another question to avoid what is asked.