BadLandsMeanie

Actually that is the one thing I admire most about the good local reporters. Some of then get the game story done right away even after 4 oclock games. And I have seen good writeups sometimes on that deadline.

That would be one of the best things ever in my life. Maybe the best thing in my last whole year. I would last exactly one press conference though. And I would type my ass off to try and get the story in before I got fired. I think I would just need to make sure somebody filmed it because they couldn't print the story on account of I would use their same song language at them. Like: "Good afternoon Coach McDermott. Thank you for taking my question. About the working relationship between you and Brandon Beane, of the two of you, who would you say is more the B word, and who is more the whore? Like are you the whore and General Manager Beane is the B word? Or are you both whores? Both bitches? Or maybe I have it wrong, is one of you a slut? Can you talk a little bit about that please?" My God it would be great though

You and I agree on how good he is at the people / policy part of the job. Not good. But he got the renewal because there is a new CBA coming up. He has been good at that. If he is good again next time it means more gazillions of dollars. Why they don't just let him be the lawyer finance guy and take care of that end of it, and get a people person manager for the Commissioner's job, I will never know.

Sample from the Atlanta Falcons Team DJ playlist who shared 18 of his best pump up songs that the team likes at practice. I'mma have the whole set cryingHave the police like "man down"Spraying roundsTalk of the townA K clip walking aroundBussin the Glock bussin the K

Well in fairness I think their message has been quite muddled. But i do think I have the basic idea. My post was more in the way of pointing out, in an absurd way, the essential ridiculousness of the NFL fining teams as a punitive measure. They are fining themselves. Say I get stopped for speeding I have to pay a ticket, but I pay it to myself. Geeze I had to pay 150 bucks! I take it from my wallet and put it in my piggy bank. That isn't too far from what they are doing.

Exactly. You would need a commissioner who could handle that. They have chosen one who instead is making them gigantic profits. Goodell should be head of NFL accounting. But the nimrod owners don't understand that. And now the owners are not even consistent in backing up their own league plan! So now they will get owned. As many have pointed out this may now become worse instead of better in terms of it being a distraction to the business.

How you do it differently would be to clam down, take some deep breaths, and think about where what you are doing, can lead you. That is very often the difference between someone who does foolish things, and someone who doesn't. Between someone who gets baited, trolled, and owned, and someone who doesn't. In fact I think if you are smart, and have learned something in life, you would know that when you are emotionally upset, that is the time to not act. That is the time to wait and calm down and then think. These guys thought they were big shots and they would show him. That is not what is happening. Thanks Hap! A different time. The marching with bats would seem VERY corny nowadays.

I wish those of us who are annoyed by it, could sign up and have the fines paid to us. I wouldn't mind it all if that happened. I wonder how much money it is? Say I got 100 bucks for every bozo that kneeled down. That would be pretty sweet. I think I am some sort of a dick because that thought actually makes me happy. I would probably even be hollering for more of them to man up and kneel.

On this last point, just my own two cents. I have finally come to realize that the reason the NFL always has such trouble with the image that they have a lower opinion of and are disrespectful of women, is because they are. I never believed that I always thought it was an unfair slam on them. But having looked a lot, I think it is true. To your larger point I agree they are insulated in some weird way that they can't see their problems in a clear headed way. I bet they wish they had stopped a while ago!

Good thoughts. On the anthem, that goes way back into baseball lore, at least that far back I think. No idea why they started. My best guess would be it signals people to settle down and pay attention the game is about to start. It works well for that because most people figure they have to behave during it so it settles everyone down and gets them paying attention to the field. I personally wouldn't stop playing it in response to this, unless things got very desperate. I think stopping on account of this would do more lasting harm than the kneeling. The pre-911 is a falsehood. Check it out. That is just something somebody made up.

The weird thing is , nobody says that. Everybody says Trust the Process. Even the players I think. And I never heard anyone say what it means. Fun times.

Thanks Andrew. I recall those things. To me though Tommie Smith and John Carlos were literally standing on their own platforms (the Olympic pedestals). They earned that through individual accomplishment. Ali was the same way. I think an NFL game is a group effort of who knows how many people? Players, coaches, owners, etc. So to have a few guys say they are using their platform isn't right. They are using the platform of everybody who makes up the overall team. Their platform would be whatever individual recognition they could get from being a celebrity athlete. Anyway that isn't what I am wondering about I am more wondering if the NFL has faced a challenge like this before. One that has unknown implications. The NFL had always been very strict about keeping to the script and staying in their lane and not being used as publicity for anyone. Except if you paid them a fee for advertising . I just wonder if they know what they are doing or if instead they have opened up Pandoras Box. It could be real interesting to see what happens. Nowadays they have this in the middle of the most divided political climate since Vietnam & Nixon and all that, so far as I know. And they are kind of taking a side. They have the whole women beating image thing. They have the CTE stuff. Which I happen to know from a doctor / professory pal that a new study shows that participating in football before age 12 predicts an average onset of dementia 5 years earlier if I remember correctly. He said it was good study. Wait til that becomes commonly known. And the weird thing is I am not even sure if I have all the major problems listed. It is getting hard to keep track of them. I don't remember a time when the NFL was so messy on their landscape as it is now.

Ok. I can see doing that. I wouldn't word it that exact way because it brings into it the idea that so many teams get lots and lots of money from elected officials by way of stadium subsidies and all kinda perks. The trouble with the NFL is they have their hands in everybody's pockets. So if I wanted to boycott the NFL like the one poster so they don't get any of my money, I really can't do that. They get state and county funds. And i don't even want to think about how much of the medical care some of these guys need for life, is paid for through Medicaid and such. So to me before the NFL can take a really hard line stance of independence, they need to restrict their revenue sources to tickets and advertising and such, and then just pay for everything they need to run their business out of that. Out of the money they make. Back to your point, if they had someone who was very adept formulate a level, bland, measured, but firm statement that would have been ok. Now I think about it they could have asked almost any coach to make the statement. Those guys are superb at saying nothing you can grab on to.

I think there are certainly people who quit watching games because of the protests. I'm pretty sure it is a known fact. I don't see why everybody wants to claim this guy here is making it up. Geeze half the people on here believe the dunkirk guy. But somebody says they stopped watching games is not plausible. On another note, I personally don't remember any level of controversy like this one for the NFL. Even during Vietnam I don't think the protests were allowed to bleed into the games. Anybody else know if there has been a circumstance like this before?

I would say it was lost when the owners decided to react to it with statements of outrage and unity. Some taking it a bunch of levels up and making a big show of kneeling with their players. Talk about being trolled. Trump just made troll remark they should have just totally ignored it, but they were too stupid.

6 months or later, So far, I think the answer is pretty close to nothing. Somebody got 90 million bucks out of it. But so far as I know most of the players have done zero. In terms of actually doing stuff. Maybe I am wrong but it seems like it would get more publicity if they did on account of them being famous athletes and stuff.

I think it would be a good idea to just have the police stay home from the games. That way there wouldn't be any trouble.

This doesn't make sense to me. They are just supposed to stand there. How is the forcing them to be political or say or endorse anything? All they are supposed to do is not disrupt it.

There is something to what you say. And Lynn should not have been tossed out there. But you could look at it another way. Say you don't like public speaking in the format of a press conference. At 60 years old like Terry is, with a business empire to run, you might take some extra time to try another round of public speaking lessons. Or you might prefer to let the GM that you are paying 5 million dollars a year to handle that aspect of things, handle them.

I had the impression that Whaley thew Terry Pegula under the bus with his "not privy" stuff and acting as if he had no real inkling that Ryan was going to be fired. So then Terry had to come out and clarify stuff with hos own statements. I thought throwing your boss under the bus was not a good ploy. Thanks for the information you included and for your impressions.

Indeed you can. And anyone who would consider complaining to your boss is a fruitcake. You are very welcome to state your opinions here. Just I personally would like you to bring your A game.

Yeah but the thing is, he isn't good at it. The idea would be to match wits and counter argue, right? Not to make easily falsifiable, plainly incorrect posts that mis-state what was said. On an even playing field John Wowrow should be able to crush the board in a debate because this is his area of expertise. He could even slip by lies as truth and we wouldn't know if it was about a specific area of his business. Instead he is getting slammed and seeming petty.

The more you say, the stupider you seem. I'm not sure if I should say that. Hmm. That usually means I shouldn't say it. But seriously the more you write the more and more I have been surprised because you seem to be of below average intelligence. Honest to goodness I know folks are enjoying the attention from a sportswriter but you should stop man. You sound way smarter about sports in your columns.

Let me help you out. They are constantly drawn to our attention here because of the news board. If you scan that for the latest news you then see the title of every article they write. That is one reason why they remain in the conversation here even though most preferred not to read them. Second, there is the consideration that two of just a few columnists covering football in the only newspaper in the team's hometown, are people most do not want to read. Understand? You got 6 and 2 are non starters it is hard to always ignore that when you want to know about the team. Third, it has been an ongoing discussion here about TBN and the subscription model. So again it is brought up, a lot, and then people reflect why they do not subscribe and it is because they want to ignore and put out of their minds the content and the writers at that paper. If I am being honest I know that won't help you, because it is all butt obvious. You are intent on arguing a viewpoint and will do so. But really being dense and pretending the obvious isn't there as you construct your arguments won't help you very much to win your points.

Yeah he said so in his post earlier in this thread. As an experienced message board amateur, I can tell you it is best practice to always read the entire thread before you get into a debate within the thread! It was predetermined that you would lose this exchange with Gunner, before you even started. Anyway carry on! I see your point about piling on when somebody gets fired. I am staying away from doing that myself. But it is hard. Low blows. Personal insults, a snotty disposition. One of Mr Sullivan's screen names on the old BBMB was "abillsfanwhocanspell" for example. So for me it is hard to read the stuff about how nice a man he is. And Tim Graham even tweeted "I love you" to him. But i am keeping my mouth shut. But I sure don't blame the people who are not! And in this instance I don't think it is fair to blame them.