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Shows just how off you are.
The point is... Good teams deal with turnover.
The Colts have lost 3 starting LB's in the last 3 years.
3..
I understand where Cato plays.
Crowell will move inside.
Were you by any chance, a big Tom Donahoe fan?
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I hear the redskins are targeting him which means probably 7 years 100 million with a 50 million signing bonus if redskin contacts are any indication of their shopping tactics.
You forgot the complimentary plane and yacht they give you, if you can make it through half a season without getting injured.
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Kind of interesting too: His 24 career touchdowns are already just about half of Moulds career totals. He is a good one.
Moulds is a horrible player and was a horrible Bill ... have'nt the people on this board told you that yet?
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Funny..
Colts lose James
Thornton
Tripplett
Simon
And somehow won a Superbowl.....
This is ridiculous but firstngoal already got to it before I did. The Colts have an amazing offensive line so they can simply plug in a new RB. They have two all-star wide receivers. They have a top 3 all-time QB. They also traded mid-year for McFarland to help their run defense.
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I dont remember Posey, Milloy, Vincent or Adams making the ProBowl for their new teams either?
Let me say something...
Fletcher, Spikes, Clements and Kelsay all had 4 years together and guess what.. ZERO PLAYOFF appearences. I am done crying over 4 guys that DID NOT get it done.
Pro Bowl = Popularity
Yet I was thinking more about Pat Williams, Sam Cowart, Antoine Winfield ... etc ... I know atleast Williams and Winfield are doing well for their new teams.
Let me guess ... you were done with Kelly after he lost 2 Super Bowls. If you were a Colts fan, Manning would have been gone after four seasons? Give me a break. You will be taking and throwing out four guys who did not get it done, and replacing them with four guys who are WORSE. What don't you get?
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I disagree.
Clever.
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With the expected extreme difficulty in retaining Nate Clements, London Fletcher-Baker and Chris Kelsay and the strong possiblity that Takeo Spikes will be released how does this team even expect to maintain the mediocre defense it had last year?
Losing 4 starters?
I'm an optimist and I see this team struggling to win 6 games this year.
A great draft and a most certain below average free agency hunt is not going to counter the loss of these 4 players.
... and to throw salt in a wound, I could see Clements, Fletcher, and Spikes all having terrific years with their new teams next year. Thats the way it usually works with the Bills luck.
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Who peed in your Cheerios? I'd like $1.00 for every time our Section said "Damn it! Nate" last year. I'd split it with ya.
Then that clearly shows the intelligence of your section. Either that or they couldn't tell the difference between the number 22 and 24. If you taped the games, go back and watch them again. If you did not, then buy the tapes, and watch them again. Nate's worst game of the season, was giving up something around 7 reception(s) (can anyone confirm this?) to the oppositions receiver. He had a bad game early in the season where he missed a couple of tackles. That is all! I believe he gave up (maybe) ONE score all season. ONE score. I believe Champ Bailey gave up more than one TD all season.
Please post your section number here, so I know not to buy tickets anywhere near there.
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I've stayed in hotels with monorail, boat, and bus access. The monorail is the most convenient, but I think it's overblown. The Monorail only runs to Magic Kingdom and Epcot so you need to take a bus or boat to get to Animal Kingdom, the water parks, and MGM from no matter where you are. I've never had a problem getting a bus or boat...at most you have a 10-15 minute wait. You might get a 10 minute wait for the monorail too so BFD.
As far as hotels, I've stayed at the Wilderness Lodge(great for kids), Boardwalk(great for kids), Saratoga Springs(more adult), and Contemporary(more adult). My biggest recommendation, having visited most of them, is to pick one with a theme you like. The more expensive ones are nicer and a little less garish.
The Grand Floridian has a character breakfast with characters that visit your table (always Mary Poppins and usually some Pooh characters or others) but you can book a reservation for that breakfast even if you're not staying there. The Grand Floridian is probably the nicest hotel there but it's also the most expensive and it's a more of a grown-up feeling place.
The Boardwalk and Beach Club are within walking distance of MGM and Epcot and you can see the Epcot fireworks at night. (The Swan and Dolphin hotels can probably see the fireworks too but I'm not sure--those are big but also seem nice...they are a step down from the biggies in price).
Despite that I've been there a bunch of times and am in their vacation club, I always review this book before I go just to brush up on things--it helps to review this book and go with a bit of a plan in mind. Otherwise the place is big and you might miss something you should have done.
http://www.amazon.com/Unofficial-Guide-Wal...d/dp/0764583417
You'll have fun; there's no way no to. That puts me in the position of agreeing with daquixers so I hope you realize how much it hurt.
We actually agree on much more than you may like to think.
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once in a blue moon...Tell me this isn't a LITTLE childish. I'm ok with that.
When it comes to Disney, I think the whole point is to be a kid again. I see 50 year old guys in their glory when they are in DW.
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Ok there's a hotel that's right near the Disneyland park. Maybe someone can help me out in naming the place. It's a HUGE hotel (roughly 17 stories) and I think it was white. Also a distinct feature in the hotel was that the Monorail goes inside the hotel. In the morning they have a disney character breakfast for the kids around 8 and under. I can wait to go back to disneyland. It's been I think 3 years. I just feel bad for those people in my school that have NEVER been there.
I think it was the Contemporary hotel now that I think about it. Am I right?
Yes, you're thinking of the Contemporary.
Stay at a hotel which has monorail access. The three are the Contemporary, Polynesian, and the Grand Floridian.Trust me when I say it makes a HUGE difference. Monorails give 10x the experience that busses have.
LSI - dude, no offense, but you sound like a little kid at times.
The monorail is nice, although I believe the busses work nearly just as well (they come about just as often), and the non-monorail hotels cost as much as $100-$150 less per night.
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My cousin is getting married in Florida in November, I'm thinking about expanding that trip to include my son's first ever trip to Disney World. I know from the one experience I have staying in the park that I definately want to stay in the park, but was wondering if anyone had a suggestion for a specific resort that they'd suggest.
This is one subject I really seem to know about! I LOVE! Walt Disney World. I have been 6-7 times (for reason I can't remember the exact number). I highly encourage you to expand your trip and take your son. It just rocks a kids world, and is simply amazing. Like another poster said, I would strongly suggest booking a hotel that has, or is near, a monorail depot. If not, than that is OK, because all other resorts have bus services to all of the parks and come very frequently. If your looking to spend some money, then the Grand Floridian, and Contemporary are very nice hotels. If I remember right the Contemporary has the monorail going directly THROUGH the hotel. The last few times I have been staying at the all-star resorts. These resorts, are MUCH cheaper, and still have nice benefits. Disney's All-Star Sports resort is very nice. It features a large pool, football field with big X's and O's throughout it, basketball, baseball .. etc. The busses to/from the hotel/parks come frequently. The last time I went (about 18 months or so ago), we stayed at the Port Orleans; French Quarter resort. Again, very nice and the busses come very frequently.
To this day, I can not think of a place I would rather be on vacation. I am a Disney fanatic. Its the whole experience, the ambiance ... etc. Just bring a ton of money. Good luck!
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Cars going around in a circle never appealed to me ... especially when some of the drivers on the actual roads seem to think they are on the track.
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I took the same courses years ago, and I believed the same way you did. The real world is a very different place and the place you are speaking from now is separated by a CHASM from reality. You'll find out soon enough.
So those real cases I attend live, and the casebooks that I study are actually in a different universe? Not in the real world, you speak of?
You say you took the same classes ... did you get your bachelors in Business and then attend law school?All corners get beaten. Every single one of them. In every game they play.Yet even though you can't remember ONE single time all season of the multiple instances that Nate lost his battle, you still think it's appropriate to rip on somebody else's powers of recollection?!
Nice work.
There is a different between being "beaten" and being "burned." Yes, even the best of the best of the best are beaten every game. As in their receiver may get past them by a yard or so, or might juke them in another direction. Yet being "burned" (to me anyhow) is being absolutely torched by the receiver. As in the receiver out ran you by 10 yards.
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Nate was better in the last 8 games than the first games 8 of last season. Which Nate will show up next year for the Bills or whatever other team he lands with. If he plays like he did in his last 8, he'll be dominant and earn the big bucks that he's demanding.
I'm not suggesting that he'll ever turn into a super-dud free agent like SS Adam Archuleta did for the Redskins, but Nate will have to bring his A-game to every game to justify his signing bonus and contract dollars.
He wasn't really 'better' persay. Most of us were just paying more attention to him. He still shut down his receivers in the first 8 games as he did in the last 8 games. He simply started batting down a few balls in the latter half of the season, which gave him TV credibility. Television has ruined some peoples perception of a good player.
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Have to agree with you, Pyrite Gal. (Sorry, Badol). I remember TOO many plays where NC was a non-factor or simply got burned. If Playmaker wants to get the big bucks he should be more consistent. Just sayin'...........
So your basically saying you either
1. Did not watch the games
or
2. Were completely drunk through all of the games
I can not remember ONE time all season that Nate was "burned." In fact I can not remember more than one time all season that Nate was even scored upon. Was Nate even scored on more than once all season? That is darn impressive. For some reason some posters, have not figured out what "shutdown CB" means. It does not mean the same thing as "playmaker CB" and shutdown CBs deserve to be paid just as much. Playmaker CBs do a good job against their receiver and make an awesome play every other game or so. Shutdown CBs limit their receivers EACH AND EVERY GAME to 2-3 maybe 4 catches. That is what Nate is. Nate is simply a shutdown CB. Very, very, very rarely will you ever see him give up a big day against a receiver. In fact the last time he did was to the Miami receiver over 19 games ago. Heck, ill let him have 1 bad game ever 20 or so games.
I challenged people to do this last year. Go to the games and try to focus on NC a good amount of the time. You will see he is just all over his receiver and limits them all game. The reason people don't give him enough credit is that the networks dont aknowledge this, unless he is intercepting the ball. They are focusing on how bad McGee is doing, or how bad the run D is, and how strapping Brett Favre is. They dont show the fact that NC is absolutely dominating his receiver.
So once again. I have NO idea where you are getting these "burned" comments from and P.S. a "non-factor" at the CB position is usually a good thing.
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There is no doubt that Clements was a contributor to victory in several games last year and IMHO there is no doubt that Clements is a very good player who I think if he makes the right selection for a new team he will likely return to the Pro Bowl once again.
However, the question is not whether NC is a good or even a very good player, the question is whether he is worth a well into double digit bonus payment and particularly with a ownership decision by the Bills to go with a cash to cap accounting and budgeting method whether this player is going to be worth it to the Bills the massive payment he is set to receive in the market.
I think the answer is pretty clearly no and it really is no when one considers the role that the CB plays in the Cover 2 in order for it to be a productive D.
i do not think anyone would argue that one can play the Cover 2 with only 9 players so I do not think anyone should be surprised that Clements made a number of game-saving plays last year. The question is whether his game-saving plays were the type of plays that only a top quality corner could make (which Clements was last year though he was no where near that level the year before that). I do not remember the particular plays so if you do I would appreciate being educated about them.
You get burned unless you change up the plays and the implementation of the scheme from time to time. However, generally in the cover 2 (or Tampa 2 we tend to run) the CB does not have deep coverage and lets the receiver go when he leaves the short zone or the corner perceives he is leaving the short zone and another receiver is coming in underneath to take advantage of the clear out. If the very good critical plays made by NC last year were on short routes (15 yards an in) the expectation of Fewell is that a second tier corner we pick up or Youbouty can make those types of play. If they were longer downfield passes then it happens that the Bills were changing up the regular Cover 2 and the other team tried to take advantage of NC's ability to run with the WR and got burned doing this.
As far as Youbouty goes I saw very little intelligent speculation last year that the braintrust thought he could not cut it. In fact on the contrary, folks seemed to realize that Youbouty did not play because he missed virtually all of pre-season when his Mom who raised him and his siblings as a single parent died and Youbouty was the oldest kid and took time off to go back home as leadership of his family was thrust upon him at the tender age of 20 or so. if in fact, he had left his underage siblings to fend for themselves and he simply sent them big checks from his 3rd round pick slot, I'd actually have questions about the quality of his character if he chose hanging out with the boys over his family duties.
Once he came back after the season had begun, I think the braintrust was faialy impressed by how fast he picked things up despite missing practice and with the coaches more concerned about preparing for games than teaching a rookie. The coaches saying this was more than just the positive chatter they do about plyers, they trusted his play enough that he was even a starter against the Jets amd the D with him playing a critical role against a QB with no arm but a good head. The proof was in the pudding and he did a good job for a rookie.
The scouting reports on Youbouty are that folks though he should have stayed in school which apparently is why he dropped to the 3rd round because he has first round physical talents. I actually prefer that he got schooled as a Bill rather than in another year in college and I expect him to really be able to take the nickel spot this season and perhaps be our #2 CB. We'll see.
As far as the big picture, the current cap is a bit over $100 million. if NC get a Champ Bailey contract, while the entire $50-60 will not be budgeted against the 07 cap as most of this is future salaries, the entire amount of cash paid out this year will be budgeted against the cap in our budget even though it will be prorated over the life of the contract for cap calculation purposea. Thus given the bonus NC will receive up front almost 1/5 of our total cap amount would go to this one player and he is not worth 1/5 our budget.
This is why virtually all feel NC is gone and given that our CBs will be asked to play coverage in the short zone, it actually emphasizes what Youbouty does well (he is a 6 footer with a rep as a very competitive person who is a good handfighter which lends itself to press coverage. Though he was also a track athlete in college and seems to have the speed to run with people, his rep is that he still needs some work doing coverage with his back to the QB. In addition to emphasizing the strongest parts of his game with press coverage the Cover 2 will minimize the weakest part of it.
These are the variable that make letting NC walk work for the Bills.
The logic above is exactly what got us to where we are now. We have been letting very good players go for years, because they just are not "worth" the amount of money they are asking for. And thus, we have not been in the playoffs for 7+ years now. We let P. Williams, Winfield, Cowart... etc all go because of this philosophy. It is growing very old.
Clements is a top 5 player at his position. If you're saying that Clements is not worth it due to the cash-to-cap scenario that Marv and co. have us in, than you have to question the Bills front office on the decision to do the newly constructed cash-to-cap sytem rather than question the decision to keep Clements.
This is getting absolutely ridiculous. How many years will it take for the Bills to realize that you have to pay good players? The SB champions shell out a ton of money. The Patriots just tagged their CB, which guarantees them paying him atleast 7.2 mill + this year.
And P.S. - STOP using the Cover 2 scheme excuse everyone! It does not hold water. The Colts run the same defense and yet their defensive production went up TREMENDOUSLY when CB, Bob Sanders came back onto the team. Guess what! He is just a CB in a Cover 2 system, and yet the whole defense seemed to play better once that ONE CB was back. Please stop using the Cover 2 scheme excuse.
Pyrite Girl - you asked for specific plays. Clements saved the day, by tipping the goal-line pass of Brett Favre in the Packers game in Buffalo, that was intercepted and essentially iced the game.
Clements saved the day, by batting down a big pass play by David Carr, in the Houston game with less than 3 minutes to go, I believe.
Clements also made a huge INT return for a TD in the Jets game in NY, which dampened the Jets spirits right before halftime and gave us a comfortable lead.
Not to mention the fact that Clements simply shut-down good receivers ALL YEAR LONG!
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They didn't OVERPAY.
Huh? Samuel and Clements are in all senses the same type of CB. They average about the same ammount of INT's per year and deflections per year. Clements just has 3 more TD's. So giving QB A, 7+ mill for the year, and giving identical QB A(2) 7+ mill is different huh?
so paying Samuel 7 mil this season is NOT over paying, but paying clements 7 mil last year, and signing him to a long term contract that would ACTUALLY only hit us for 4 mil this year IS overpaying?Has me confused also.
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I haven't the time to go over all of the reasons for why it might well be better for us to not re-sign NC. There has been numerous threads lately containing all the reasons(cover 2 corner, value for money, matching over-payment by other teams). I don't believe we should not re-sign him.....I believe we should make the best decision based on all the variables involved.....sign.....don't sign......base it upon logic, not emotion.
"The rest of our secondary is porous at best. "
You'll want to work on better arguments there.....I don't have time to put them to you.....I know you can piece them together yourself. Cover 2? I thought we ran Cover 2 last year? The same defense that Clements was the leading contributor of 2-3 of our wins.
Perhaps you will have to piece the variables together for me, DIBS. I for one don't seem to be able to see them, apparently. If I remember correctly, McGee was being torched for most of the season, and Youboty barely played which led to speculation that he was under-achieving. Whitner seemed to be the only one showing some promise. If I remember right, Clements was the leading contributor in about three of our wins. Greenbay (he tipped the game-winning, goal-line stop, interception into another players hands), NY Jets (the game would have been much closer without his TD returning INT), and another game which seems to leave my mind at the moment. He also played extremely well in Houston, and very good in (for the most part) every other game of the season. So please piece the variables together for me.
Actually, I'm the one giving you real examples. Why don't you point out a case for us, counselor. You are an attorney, right? I'm not bitter, I'm experienced. Very important notice, READ CAREFULLY: The truth is none of us know what the real deal was. So when you and Dibs tell everyone he'd sue, you are speaking DIRECTLY out of your ass counselor.In fact, I believe Marv said it was an "understanding". Never was referred to as a contract. Sorry. Just not so. Understandings are subject to interpretation and stipulation. Understandings change with circumstance. As in "we agreed not to fanchise you if you agreed to negotiate, and then your agent wouldn't return calls and the understanding changed...". I've never been burned by a verbal contract gone bad, but I've seen it plenty and I've been astonished at how easily some defendants can shake off the hook despite overwhelming circumstantial evidence. Enough that I'd be damned if I threw a dollar at an attorney to chase a verbal contract. If two sides trust each other enough to strike a deal, and it's important enough to result in a lawsuit, they should respect each other enough to put it in writing.
I am not yet an attorney. I am a business and law student. Some day I will be an attorney. Secondly, a verbal contract is very simple. Offer, consideration, acceptance. All three variables have been publicly stated. It does not need to be referred to as a contract. It is a contract simply due to the three variables. For example: when you purchase a piece of furniture, and work out a payment plan, most people do not see that as a contract. Yet it is. Something does not have to be referred to as a contract, to in fact, be a contract.
... and no, I am not stating that he WOULD take legal action. Only that he would have the option.
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I wasn't actually expecting a response....more of a rhetorical question......maybe it's not as obvious to others as it is to me.
There is no difference. They are all FAs without ties to their previous teams. That means that any team(us included) can look at the list of FAs & chose to spend on whichever one they feel would be the best fit(value for money/personality/system/etc/etc/etc).
I know that you in particular will hate to face it but NC is to the Bills what every other unattached FA is to the Bills. He is just one guy in a group of guys.
My point basically is that there should be no doom & gloom over not signing NC......as long as a different first class FA is signed in his stead.
Oh. Sorry. I thought it was a joke.
The problem with letting NC go is that there is NO other first class FA at his position. He is a top 5, CB in this league, and the rest of our secondary is porous at best.
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What's the difference between Nate Clemments, Eric Steinbach, Dwight Freeney, Cato June or any other non-restricted non-tagged FA?
Ill play along. What?
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1) Don't know ya'
2) Not your friend
3) Players association is not an issue. Lawsuit was the issue, and the league doesn't have an inhouse courtroom, it still would have to be heard by a judge or AGREED to be arbitrated. Before it got that far, deals would be done. NFLPA, still the weakest such group in pro sports, if they weren't the Patriots would have to be dismantled for all the complaints against them, from inattention to injuries, to abusing the franchise tags........And YET, players continue to want to sign with them and they keep winning and playing team football.
That's because none of the offseason sh*t matters and the locker room could really give a sh*t if Nate gets $7M per year or $9M. I swear, some of you guys are living in fantasy football land sometimes. Business is TOUGH, things get done that make people unhappy, then people move on one way or another and it's completely forgotten, like the examples I've given.
This idea that it will make the Bills LOOK BAD? Get the f*ck out. Two things matter most to players, money and conditions. Jauron has a rep as a players coach, so they've got that. Marv has a rep for overpaying after last years scrapheap spendathon. They've got that. Don't kid yourself that whatever happens with Nate will have any impact on the Bills perception around the league, other than "look at those losers, they had $30M in cap space and couldn't even get their best defender re-signed".
Ithe Bills WERE to somehow pull this off and the court took too long to act, then Nate could sue the Buffalo Bills for damages caused by breaking a verbal contract. He could argue that he would have received much more had they not franchised him, and the fact that A. Samuel was just tagged by the Patriots, would further his argument as he is now the ONLY quality CB free agent on the market. Instead of replying to this, PLEASE crack open a casebook and read verbal contract cases that WERE upheld, and the damages that the defendant had to pay due to breaking that contract.
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While I agree with your outcome, you also need an exchange of consideration. Nate would most likely have to prove that the Bills received something of value in exchange for agreeing not to tag him. He could argue that this avoided a hold-out, increased team cohesion, etc. Either that or he could argue that he detrimentally relied on the promise (didn't pursue other offers, etc.) But I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk.
As for the thread topic, I'll echo several other sentiments. You don't publicly go back on a deal with a player. Buffalo is already unattractive enough to potential FAs...why throw managerial deceit into the mix of our other selling points?
Courts seem to rely very heavily on a persons income. By promising a player that he will not be tagged next year, you are assuring him that he will be available to search a job in another market. I'm pretty sure that would hold up in court.
Again, not in the real world. Let me give you an actual on what would happen in that scenario. A complaint would be filed by Clements agent/attorney. The judge would put off hearing it knowing full well that the situation will resolve itself in a few months. And before the flimsy complaint could ever be heard, Clements would be traded or signed with Buffalo. Either way, he gets paid there. But never in court. Won't happen. Net result, the Bills get Nate or an extra first or second round pick versus getting zilch. That's real world law, not business law 101 from Buff State.You want to talk about the real world? In the real world of the NFL that complaint would go to TWO places. 1 - The Players Association and 2 - an NFL Arbitrator. So I guess in a way I agree with you ... I don't think it would reach court. It would be settled long before that.
Stop being so Bills biased and realize that if the Bills were to pull this stunt, there could be some serious ramifications from the league, the players association, and in the end, Clements would probably win anyway.
Go read up on verbal contracts my friend.
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Good franchises do not overpay for cornerbacks, aging linebackers and platooning defensive ends...
The Patriots just payed A. Samuel 7 + million dollars for the 2007 season. I guess they are not a good franchise in your opinion.
So how do you market the 2007 Buffalo Bills?
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Simple: if people don't buy a ticket, they probably won't be able to see the game. No way we sell out more than 2 games before opening day.