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Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I don't believe I lied at all. What you said was. It is a fair interpretation to say that when you started on this, you implied that Covid vaccines do not produce long term immunity and I was ignorant of current data. In fact, you have no data. I don't believe I presented anything as "settled science". It is you who is the liar. -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
When you started on this, you implied that Covid vaccines do not produce long term immunity and I was ignorant of current data. In fact, you have no data. As a result of the pandemic, I made an effort to learn about the immune system. Recovery from infection of diseases, including SARS Cov-1, result in memory cells in the bone marrow. Traditional vaccines have produced memory cells in the bone marrow. Subunit vaccines for Hepatitis-b and pertussis have resulted in memory cells in the bone marrow. Memory cells have been found in the bone marrow following mRNA vaccination. There is a long shot possibility that the mRNA vaccines may not result in those memory cells lasting very long in the bone marrow but you certainly haven't come up with any reasonable explanation of why that would occur. You also don't know what flu vaccines do or why they are recommended. -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
You don't seem to have any clue on how mRNA vaccines work. They do not simply produce a desired response. They get your cells to generate a portion of the virus, in this case the spike protein. Your immune system then recognizes that protein as something that doesn't belong in the human body and elicits an immune response. In a sense, they are similar to vaccines for Hepatitis B, pertussis and human papillomavirus. Those vaccines use a subunit (just a portion of the virus or proteins of the virus) and those vaccines produce memory B and T cells. Why assume that mRNA vaccines won't do the same? -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
So it it impossible to produce such data since Covid is less than 5 years old. What is the rational for believing that the mRNA vaccines won't produce memory b and t cells? Why is it incorrect to believe that the vaccines will produce memory cells that will be detected 5-20 years later when there are studies showing memory cells do exist in vaccinated individuals? Do you think unvaccinated people who recover from infection will have memory cells 5-20 years later like people who recovered from SARS Cov-1 did? -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
What is a truly long term study Dr. Doofus? -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
So this doesn't exist? "In addition to the production of antibodies, an effective immune response requires the generation of long-lived memory B and T cells. mRNA vaccines induce robust germinal center responses in humans (11), resulting in memory B cells that are specific for both the full-length SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein and the Spike receptor binding domain (RBD) (12–14). mRNA vaccination has also been shown to generate Spike-specific memory CD4+ and CD8+ T cell responses (15–18). Although antibodies are often correlates of vaccine efficacy, memory B cells and memory T cells are important components of the recall response to viral antigens and are a likely mechanism of protection, especially in the setting of infections in previously vaccinated individuals where antibodies alone do not provide sterilizing immunity (19). In such cases, memory B and T cells can be rapidly re-activated, resulting in enhanced control of initial viral replication and limiting viral dissemination in the host (20, 21). " mRNA Vaccination Induces Durable Immune Memory to SARS-CoV-2 with Continued Evolution to Variants of Concern -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
From the studies I've looked at, vaccination results in memory B and T cells that are long lasting and do provide some level of protection against severe disease years later. Hence someone who had not been infected would have been wise to get the vaccine prior to their first infection. Recovery from infection should also result in memory B and T cells and provide protection against severe disease later. People who had been infected with SARS COV-1 had memory cells 18 years later. There is no reason to believe our immune systems react differently to SARS COV2. -
Where "Follow The Science (TM)" has LEFT us..
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I loved the laste line "Individuals with lower levels of trust were less likely to have been vaccinated or received boosters for COVID-19" -
"Suckers and Losers"---Trump on our GI's
Scraps replied to Trump_is_Mentally_fit's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Didn't Cadet Bone Spurs give the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rush Limbaugh, who dodged the draft with anal cysts? -
Florida counts mail in ballots before election day. This was suggested in some of the battlegound states and rejected by GOP controlled legislatures.
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Thomas Matthew Crooks & Ryan Routh
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I'm still not seeing the problem with releasing the body to the family. We know he was shot by law enforcement. There were undoubtedly pictures taken and an autopsy performed. Clay Higgins is a conspiracy nut. What could he possibly add? -
Recession is upon us - disastrous economic data
Scraps replied to Big Blitz's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
The government does not print money to "make up the difference". They sell bonds and therefore take on debt. -
How so?
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There have been several pandemics since 2000. SARS Cov-1, H1N1, Zika and SARS Cov-2. The last was just more disruptive.
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J.D. Vance - Character and Policies
Scraps replied to The Frankish Reich's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
What is wrong with deciding to retire after 24 years of service (20 years longer than James David Bowman)? -
For Covid, the data is clear that the virus is worse than the vaccine. That was proven in the Phase 3 trials back in 2020. No reputable study has disproven that. The mitigation steps for any virus are dependent on how the virus spreads. A virus that spreads by direct contact with symptomatic people is far easier to control and an aerosolized virus spread by asymptomatic people.
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Your article is 2 years old and may not be as relevant today. Part of the issue with MPox is keeping it from being a problem for the non-gay society. AIDS may have primarily affected the gay society back when it was discovered but that his hardly true 3 decades later.
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I've done my research and come to the conclusion that you are wrong on every point. Please provide proof that the vaccine is worse than the virus. You also have a basic misunderstanding of what a Pandemic is. The definition is based on how wide spread a disease is. It does not mean that mandatory vaccination is necessarily warranted or lockdowns for that matter. Those might be mitigation techniques based on the virus. I can't see MPox warranting mandatory vaccinations and certainly never lockdowns. Since it is spread by direct contact with a symptomatic person with sores, just don't touch symptomatic people with sores.
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The common cold and flu are pandemics. We just live with the consequences. Covid is more deadly than the common cold or flu. It was even more deadly 4 years ago when the virus was novel. By what measure have the vaccines been more damaging than the virus? Culling infected domestic flocks might prevent and infection of humans and prevent a pandemic. MPox might be a pandemic but so what? It isn't easily transmitted, unlike Covid, and there isn't much of a threat of infection to the vast majority of the population.
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You don't think Covid was a pandemic? What recommendations have they made regarding bird flu or MPox that is an over reaction? Are you aware that with any novel virus the WHO and other public health organizations never have sufficient data?
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Thomas Matthew Crooks & Ryan Routh
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
What is the problem with releasing the body to his family? -
Turn Down The Temperature: Unity?
Scraps replied to BillsFanNC's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Look in a mirror. -
What about him adding Julie Kelly commenting on the original Susan Crabtree link but not commenting on the topic himself? Weird.
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Nowhere did the DA say he was rigging and election against Republicans. In fact, she said just the opposite.
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Harris misinformation campaign on Google
Scraps replied to Big Blitz's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
In Magadonia, having a grievance to nurse is a requirement. If one doesn't exist, create it out of nothing.