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    This is so very true

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    1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

    I think his point is that if you chant "hang Mike Pence," sharpen a flagpole outside the Capitol and say it is intended for a "particular person," but then construct a small and purely symbolic gallows, we should all interpret it as an elaborate practical joke gone bad.

    Was that gallows really incapable of hanging someone?  There are trapdoors on gallows.  I even found a wiki on how to build one.  Look familiar?

     

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    This is so very true

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    3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

     

     

    I keed.  Why were many of the BLM violent rioters/looters were NOT charged?

    I don't know.  You asked me if they should be charged and I answered in a consistent fashion.  You won't hear me defending people who break the law at an event by the left or right.

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    This is so very true

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    1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

    I took you to task because you brought up the 'infamous noose' that could only hang the shortest of midgets. I see you are still spinning that nonsense. 

     

    But make no mistake, I believe that part of the Jan 6th protest ended up in a riot, and the folks who used violence should be punished accordingly (as rioters, not sedionists/Insurrectionists). Those that didn't break the law shouldn't be punished. It's the same with the BLM protests, don't you agree?

    I brought up something that demonstrated that Jan6 was not a peaceful protest.  

     

    To the best of my knowledge, only 4 people were charged with seditious acts.  They were charged, had legal representation in a court of law and were found guilty of seditious conspiracy by a jury. 

     

    "According to the evidence at trial, in the months leading up to January 6, these defendants and their co-conspirators plotted to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, including by amassing an armed “quick reaction force” on the outskirts of the District of Columbia. The defendants – Roberto Minuta, 38, of Prosper, Texas; Joseph Hackett, 52, of Sarasota, Florida; David Moerschel, 45, of Punta Gorda, Florida; and Edward Vallejo, 64, of Phoenix, Arizona – were leaders and associates of the Oath Keepers organization. In addition to the seditious conspiracy count, all four were found guilty of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an official proceeding, and conspiracy to prevent Members of Congress from discharging their official duties. Hackett was also found guilty of destruction of evidence."

     

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach

     

    What evidence do you have to doubt the jury?

     

    BLM protesters who weren't peaceful, who engaged in breaking and entering, vandalism, looting and other unlawful activities should be charged.

     

     

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    This is so very true

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    4 hours ago, sherpa said:

     

    I saw the bat signal in the sky.

     

    I don't get involved in this Jan  stuff though.

     

    Don't know enough about it and was not interested to find out, but standard riots of stupid morons don't get me into the research.

     

    Right.  Because people showing up with a gallows, chanting "Hang Mike Pence", breaking into the capitol with restraints and hunting for elected officials is just your typical "standard riot by stupid morons".  Whatever you have to tell yourself to turn a blind eye.

    1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

    not as stupid as calling a standard flagpole a deadly weapon

    So everything is okay if you don't kill somebody?

    This is so very true

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    5 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

    Did you forget that we have the same alma mater?

     

    He told me I was in a cult, I told him only dullards think that Jan 6 was an Insurrection in a creative fashion. 

     

    I was not happy that Jan 6 turned into a riot.  I DO NOT sympathize with the people who were properly punished for violent behavior. Peaceful protest is acceptable,  violence is not. I do sympathize with folks who were over-charged for their actions. 

     

     

     

     

    Did I say you were in a cult or did you put yourself in that category?

     

    I took to task someone who claimed Jan 6 was peaceful.  You took me to task  Here you are saying it was a riot and there was violence.  Make up your mind.

    RFK Jr.

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    9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

    The problem with trying to find your way out of confusion is that confusion can be confusing.  I understood what you were attempting to say yesterday, as I do today.  What you see as 'calling someone out' I just see as dialogue.  Your version makes it sound a bit more dramatic, like something one might see on reality tv.  To me,  it's just a conversation on the internet, not the war of words between the Earp/Clanton factions that lead to the shootout at OK Corral.  

     

    Either way, have a good day. 

     

     

     

     

    Earp/Clanton?  Which one of us is being dramatic?

     

    Maybe it is just simpler to say I called your BS BS.

    This is so very true

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    14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

    Get real. The cops did not attack blm and antifa most of the time. The blue city mayor's hobbled the cops from acting. They barely arrested anyone and of those few arrested almost all got off free and clear.

    And you're rewriting history such as with the Portland Federal Courthouse. Those maniacs tried to burn down and damage that building every night for weeks on end. If MAGA did that it would have been the 2nd biggest attack on democracy. These anarchist antifa savages? No big deal.

     

    What weapons on J6? There were no hand guns, automatic weapons. No protesters fired a shot. As for an insurrection I can't get to that conclusion given they just walked out of the building when asked to do so by Capitol Police. If it was an insurrection it was the most orderly and polite attack ever. Any explanation of what stopped it has never been offered.

    You see what happened in Bangladesh recently? Thst's what an insurrection looks  like.

     

    This is orderly and polite?

     

    Insurrectionists crush cop

    This is so very true

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    19 minutes ago, sherpa said:

     

    Thanks for taking this sidebar.

    Appreciated.

     

    This issue, as painful as it is for us, all of us, exposed what the politics of this brings.

     

    The Dems approved the mission, in overwhelming numbers, having been presented the exact same evidence from the intel community that the executive was.

     

    When it was determined to be wrong, a failure of the intel community, they backed out, blaming it on the Bush Admin.

     

    Same as they backed out when Pelosi claimed she was never informed about interrogation techniques, which is preposterous.

     

    They do the same thing every time.

    Over 60% of the Dems in the House opposed the motion.  42% of Dems in the Senate opposed the motion.

    28 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

    It's just funny when people try to rewrite history around the Iraq war.  Pretending the entire body of them were not matching in unison.  

     

    From the politicians to the media.  It was 100💯 one sided.

     

    Only folks like Ron Paul and Bernie were opposing the machine 

    The media absolutely sucked on this.

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    This is so very true

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    6 hours ago, phypon said:

     

    It 100% was a protest.  It was not an insurrection.  No matter how much you try your best to spin it and follow the liberal media's playbook, you are wrong. All of your virtue signaling isn't going to change that FACT.  You can call me any name you want to, you can try to label me as anything you want to, but feelings are not facts.  It's pretty sad that you have to resort to making stuff up in your own mind to justify things that you inherently know are wrong.  That's called cognitive dissonance.  Your argument is completely illogical.  That is not how logical deduction works.  You are taking a page right out of the propagandist playbook, like the Left always does, and it's not working.  People have woken up to your grift and you are only exposing yourself as someone with a low IQ.  Using your logic, you are all for police brutality.  Are you for police brutality?  Because with your line of thinking it seems that you are all for police using extensive force against minorities and executing them.  Is that what you are saying?

    Is a gallows typically seen at peaceful protests or insurrections?

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    RFK Jr.

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    3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

    A response providing clarity on issues that seemed to confuse you, and providing a response you disagree with isn’t deflection, it’s dialogue.  I’m sorry for you that you don’t understand the difference. 
     

    I’ve explained my thoughts with respect to the Kennedy Sibs, and the family generally.  You’ve shared yours.   
     

    There is nothing at all wrong with sharing thoughts on hypocritical behavior on a message board, it’s very common in politics, inter and intra-party.  Happens all the time.  I’m not sure why you’re struggling with that. 

    I'm not confused.

     

    Your fantasy was deflection.  You tried to deflect criticism off of RFK Jr. onto other Kennedys.  I simply called you out for that and refocused on RFK Jr.

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    This is so very true

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    13 minutes ago, sherpa said:

     

    I'm more on the taciturn side of he loquacious/taciturn spectrum.

     

    I have no interest in discussing this, but to state that the entire US intel operation thought the Iraqi's had WMD, which they had used before.

    Not a doubt.

     

    France and Germany were skeptical that Iraq possessed WMD.  Maybe the Bush administration had a bunch of people who wouldn't tell the President something he didn't want to hear.

    RFK Jr.

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    7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

    I think you're confused on the subject matter and the original conversation.  

     

    L Ron suggested ghosts of Kennedy past would spit on him, and later, physically assault him.  Since it's a hypothetical discussion, it's fair to assume he might be right.  Maybe they spit on him, maybe they drag him out behind the library in Newport and beat the snot out of him.  Illegal and boorish behavior is nothing new to the family, though they seem to rally around one another (mostly).  

     

    I opined that the Kennedy's have a penchant for keeping in-house squabbles in-house.  I don't think that is a hypothetical, but maybe they run to the Enquirer all the time and I just haven't seen it.  That lead to additional dialogue and I offered that RFK Sr might well set the Betrayal 5 straight on how family business should be settled.  That is a guess on my part, there's no way to know.  

     

    On all the rest, RFK Jr ran for President as an Independent, decided to discontinue his campaign and chose to support DJT.  He has addressed his reasons for doing so.   I wasn't planning on casting a vote for RFK Jr, he seems a little kooky to me, so your recitation of beliefs is wasted on me.   If you have an issue with political enemies becoming political allies, you should read more.  It's pretty common.  If you have issues with RFK Jr that you feel he needs to hear, head over to the CVS and buy a "Hey You Hurt Me" card and drop it off at the post office. 

     

    I do like the potential for the alliance to move some voters from left to right.  We'll see. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Nice attempt at deflection.

     

    I am not confused.  You have this silly notion that no Kennedy should publicly take RFK Jr. to task for public statements he has made.  You have also called them out for betrayal.    That is utter nonsense.  The only person engaged in betrayal here is RFK Jr. and I pointed out how he was betraying previous positions, or how Trump actually works against RFK Jr's stated most important issues.

     

    What is wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy or inaccuracies of a politician on a politics board in a thread about that politician?

    This is so very true

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    2 hours ago, sherpa said:

     

    More nonsense.

    The removal of Saddam was a US Congress and UN approved mission.

    It was a brilliantly executed military operation, as was Afghanistan.

     

    Then it became nation building.

    Then it invited Iran, which is the single worst operator in the world along with Russia, an item threat that the Dems have never had any success dealing with, and only will get worse.

    After removing the government of another country by way of a war, how does the mission not become nation building?  How was Iran not going to be empowered after the Sunni minority government was removed?

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    RFK Jr.

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    Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

    RFK Jr has acknowledged understanding some of his family being outraged by his decision—they’re pretty close with/work with Biden or and obviously vote democrat.   His message?

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/25/rfk-jr-family-trump-endorsement/74943843007/

     

    "I understand that they're troubled by my decisions," he told Fox News' Shannon Bream. "But, you know, I think we all need to be able to disagree with each other and still love each other."

     

    L Ron thinks his father spits on him, Uncle Ted would as well if he wasn’t burning in eternal h3llfire for his treatment of Mary Jo K. 
     

    I don’t know of course, but I think RFK Sr tells his other kids to stop being @holes to their brother, to handle Kennedy business like a Kennedy and if their position is strong, they should go for a sail on the bay and win him over with logic and 5 or 6 shots of Jameson.  He might even remind Kerry that when she rear-ended that truck and got pinched for DUI, RFK Jr didn’t abandon her and run to the media. 
     

    What I can say if for all the bike directed at him by a few siblings, he sounds like the voice of reason here. 
     

     

     

     

    What utter nonsense.

     

    From the interview on Faux News Sunday 

    "And you know, I -- and I would have -- I was welcome to listen to anything from the Democrats that they were going to do something about the war -- about the Ukraine war, about the censorship, about the child health crisis, this epidemic of chronic disease that is now disabled about 60 percent of our kids.

    And you know, when my uncle is President Shannon, only 6 percent of Americans had chronic disease. Today, over 60 percent.

    And, you know, it's hard to find a kid today that's not been damaged by it, and it's coming from our food supply, from contain -- from pollution in our environment, from toxics in our environment, and mainly from corruption in our government that allows that to happen."

     

    I haven't heard anything realistic from Jr. or Trump on how to end the war in Ukraine. The only easy way to do that is to let Putin have his way.  Maybe you agree with that as a solution but I consider that to be cowardly and selfish.

     

    RFK Jr. complains about censorship but ignores Trumps role in censorship, for which Trump is a convicted felon.

     

    RFK Jr made his name as an environmental champion and anti-vaccine nut.  He complained about "pollution in our environment, from toxics in our environment" but ignores that Trump dismisses environmental issues and named an opponent Scott Pruitt, an opponent to RFK Jr, to head the EPA.  Nothing Trump has done suggests that children's health is one of his top issues.

     

    His numbers regarding chronic disease are wrong, more than double the statistics from the CDC and he confuses correlation with causation, as typical for him.

     

    RFK Jr has admitted that his family has talked to him with their disagreements over vaccines and Trump.  If he is too hard headed or brain damaged to change his mind, I see no reason why his family shouldn't oppose him publicly.  

     

    Kerry was acquitted.  

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    Republicans for Harris

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    On 8/23/2024 at 10:50 AM, JaCrispy said:

    Their goal is a 1 world government where everyone serves the State, with them in charge, with limited to no individual liberties…

     

    They use “freedom” and “democracy@ to get people to go along with it…But make no mistake, the oligarchs financing this ideology seek absolute control…

     

    Furthermore, removing borders means you have no country, which, in turn, means you have no Constitution…👍

    You dodged a question.  When Trump asked for $1 Billion from big oil, aren't they part of "multi billion dollar global corporations"?

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