Scraps
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30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I watch what is actually said. That is what the FDA director actually said. I watched the president and heard exactly what he said. You have to try and twist his narrative into something. I don't.
Its called gaslighting.
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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
Nope. I just listened to what he said:
"So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with."
He's talking about trials, under medical supervision. He says it without precision, but that's what he's saying.
Its dumb. It is incredibly dumb. The old quote "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" fits this perfectly.
POTUS should let the scientists and doctors decide what should be tried at clinical trials. Nobody working on Covid-19 should waste anytime on this crackpot idea. His snake oil selling of hydroxychloroquine made it difficult to do clinical trials on other drugs and treatments because too many people wanted the "Trump Drug" or didn't want to risk getting a placebo. Well hydroxychloroquine ain't looking too promising right now.
He should stop coming to these daily briefings. He provide no benefit. He sows confusion and rancor.
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11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
Again, no one suggested the fantasy you're pushing. Not Trump. Not the doctor. Trump, in fact, was asking about clinical trials under doctor's care.
Now your putting words into Trumps mouth to elevate this screwball idea seem almost approach something moderately crazy
QuoteBut -- who needs facts and details when you have a talking point to push?
Speaking of which, where are you getting your talking points? Your not the first person to bring up chemotherapy to make this stupid idea sound not inane.
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7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
NO ONE suggested doing that. Not Trump. Not the doctor. No one but KARL and the MEDIA suggested it.
I watched the video. Trump said the stupidest thing I've ever heard him say. That is saying alot.
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12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
So the answer then would have been yes, yes we inject poisons into the body to fight disease.
It happens every day around the world, not just in this country.
Proven treatments to cancer happen every day under a doctors care because the treatment can kill the cancer before it kills the person. Injecting disinfectants? Not so much.
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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
Does injecting chemotherapy (a poison) fight cancer?
Yeah, you're making yourself look real bad here. Next you'll be arguing that the sun doesn't provide health benefits.
A clinician went over this several pages back. Your repeating Bills_Gal's inane arguments.
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1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:
WRONG.
He asked the DOCTOR if the DOCTOR thinks that's possible. Trump didn't suggest anything.
There are such things as stupid questions. This is one of them.
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1 hour ago, westside2 said:
Trumptard? What are you 2 years old?
I'm channeling Trump and his loyal followers. Quite frankly, if you are ######ed enough to think injecting disinfectant has merit, you deserve the label.
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30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
It wasn't Trump who said it -- it was Karl.
The media said it.
Then the media lied about who said it and pinned it on Trump. They did this in REAL TIME, in front of your faces... and ya'll still fell for it. Why?
Trump suggested injecting UV light and disinfectant.
As far as the bleach an alcohol aspect, Trump made his suggestion after the CDC dude talked about the effects of UV light, alcohol and bleach on the virus. What Trump said was just plain dumb.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
I am a Trumptard? ROTFLMAO Yup, sure. You clearly have not been reading my stance on this whole shutdown.
I, unlike many others here, am not so closed minded as to dismiss an idea merely because President Trump suggested scientists should look into it. ?Your right, I haven't read your stance on the shutdown. Your second paragraph says enough.
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Sounds like some of the people who screeched the loudest in this thread are the ones that actually did need that warning. Are you included in that group? It appears likely. ?You're one of the Trumptards who thinks this should be considered, not me.
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
It gets him 'in trouble' with you and others.....but I don't think there's anyone who didn't know what they were getting when they voted for him. If you don't like his thinking out loud style....turn the channel. The NFL Draft is on! Finally.
So you Trumptards knew the makers of Lysol would have to warn people not to inject Lysol into people? ?
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3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
Really? You actually have no idea how he got elected?
A known conman found enough willing marks to get elected.
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1 minute ago, snafu said:
Cuomo has said some stupid things, too. They all do. Including Fauci and Birx and Pelosi and Newsom, the Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Governors. One difference between them and Trump is that nobody reports on any other part of the press conference when Trump says something especially stupid and likely inconsequential. There are probably other headlines from that press conference. Are they being reported?
Everyone says something wrong sometimes but it is the frequency with which Trump says incorrect things, the fact that he will never admit to being wrong about anything (which it truly unique compared with the company you mentioned) and the fact that the is POTUS and everything a President says is scrutinized is what gets him in trouble.
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Heck, I get needles in my eye. If you had told me 30 years ago someone was gonna stick a needle in my eye to help heal it, I'd have told you you had a screw loose.
Sounds like a lot of you would still be staring at that mold on a piece of bread. It is a wonder there are any innovations in science and technology.
Yeah right. Virtually any disinfectant out there has a warning not to ingest it and to seek medical help if you do because the manufacturer knows its bad for you but they never said not to inject it so maybe that's okay?
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8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
I couldn't agree more Scraps. Let's not look into a communication tool where people can talk with each other all of over the world in real time by just typing into a keyboard. Let's not look into getting electricity from the sun. Let's not put people into aluminum tubes, and have them fly all over the world. And....let's not inject people with little radioactive isotopes to cure cancer! Yeah....none of that will EVERY POSSIBLY work.
Your talking about proven technologies versus abject stupidity to make your point?
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Wow, I hope you are not in R&D in any form. Everything is stupid, until it works. (And before you beat me up, nope I am not saying this will work, and neither did he. But why not research it?)Some things are just to stupid to spend even a second of serious consideration. Injecting people with disinfectant is one of them.
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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
May I ask where you live?
2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:May I ask where you live?
Northern Virginia, but I work in Maryland just outside of DC.
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16 minutes ago, snafu said:
Because he’s done it every day and he needs to look like he’s leading the response.
The same can be said for Cuomo, etc etc. None of them need to belly up to the microphone in reality, but people will wonder why they’re not.
Yeah but at least Cuomo doesn't sound like a moron.
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Watch the clip.
After the homeland security guy talked, Trump monologued: (just the text)
So, I'm going to ask Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.
A few moments later, ABC News reporter Jon Karl asked Bryan, "The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?"
"No, I'm here to talk about the finds that we had in the study," Bryan responded. "We don’t do that within that lab at our labs."
Trump then clarified his remarks: "It wouldn’t be through injections, you’re talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object."
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After that, some guy on Twitter got on to attack the comments and build a narrative that was very different than what was said, and in what context. And then the blue check-marks had their talking point. Which spread to this message board.
I woke up this morning to this gas lighting. I knew I had watched a presser where Trump never told anyone to ingest anything. He asked the scientists about looking into a possible treatment. Yet, somehow it has morphed into "Trump told people to drink bleach!"
TDS is the real virulent disease here.
Repeating the same stupidity over and over does not make it any more rational.
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10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Yes...we all need to hear Dr. Falsey tell everyone to stay inside every day for the next half century. And it would be great to get the daily body bag count from the Scarf Queen every morning. It's way past time to go to the Bull Pen and get people in the solutions business in there. The current team, while certainly expert at what they do, are NOT in the solutions business. They are in the curve flattening business. The curve has now been flattened!
Where I live, we haven't peaked.
You go ahead and do what you want. If you get Covid-19, find some good disinfectant, inject it, huff it and you will be good to go.
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3 minutes ago, snafu said:
I get what you’re saying, and it is clear that nobody should do daily press conferences if they never want to trip up their words.
Especially someone who is a bad communicator to begin with. He sounded stupid. But it isn’t easy to bang out a perfect press conference every day. He’s not young, he’s probably working around the clock and he’s got half the county hanging on every trip up so they can smash him over the head with it.
Here's a thought, why not let the task force speak for itself? Why does he have to be there every day? We'd get clearer information, less rancor and he wouldn't look absolutely clueless.
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15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
I know! I know! Let's do nothing and ask no questions so more people can die!!
When you watched the clip, the guy from homeland security said, "we are looking into it" and "we will look into it." As scientists, no stone can be left unturned when searching for a cure to a disease.I'm simply amazed that guy and Birx could keep a straight face when Trump probably the dumbest things he has ever said.
QuoteI am quite sure some of the doctors on this board can tell you about things that they layperson would consider poison when ingested, that are used in diluted/different formulas for XYZ in the medical treatments. Heck, radioactive iodine, radioactive therapy for cancer, chemo drugs are poison - and I am just some schlump thinking about it - yet all are used on the human body to "cure" some diseases.
Yest but those treatments are tested in clinical trials to prove usefulness and are done under a doctors supervision.
Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat arthritis, lupus and malaria. It is also used to clean aquariums. When the President of the United States tells people this will prevent or cure Covid 19, there are people dumb enough to drink aquarium cleaner. There are also people who are probably dumb enough to inject themselves or huff disinfectant or bleach because of what this guy said. The makers of Lysol had to put out a disclaimer to not inject their product. Who would every think they would have to do that because of POTUS?
QuoteMaybe you all would like to think outside the box for ways to combat this virus instead of acting like our press and dismissing everything President Trump says out of hand, simply because President Trump has said them.
Its not because Trump said it. Its because what he said was so incredibly stupid.
Use disinfectant to kill the virus on surfaces. Use UV to kill the virus. Let the doctors/scientist perform clinical trials on treatments and develop a vaccine. Follow their advice on social distancing and hygiene. That is how all viruses or dealt with, not nutty ideas like injecting bleach or disinfectant.
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4 minutes ago, GG said:
That's why you have to look at what he meant with his childish comments. He's taking about light penetrating deeper into the skin.
He doesn't pull things out of thin air. He hears a few snippets from the experts, then jumbles the topic in the PC.
Guess we shouldn't use sunscreen or sunblock.
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
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He interrupted someone who was talking about UV light, alcohol and bleach killing the virus. He didn't mean an antiviral drug.