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Bills won’t draft an olineman on Day 1 or 2 of the draft and they may not draft any
they will roster 9 and I think they are perfectly fine going into the season with Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, bates, brown, edwards, Doyle, Quesenberry, and Ike
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22 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Let's forget the Jets for a minute.
The KC Chiefs have Valdez-Scantling as their WR1. Kadarius Toney as their WR2. Skyy Moore as their SWR.
Currently, their WR4 is former 1st round (I guess we can call a bust so far, career 43% catch rate) John Ross who was cast off of the Giants.
Would Bills fans be happy with that lot, as of now?
I know, I know, they have a TE.
I was just looking at their numbers from last year as you posted this. Their top 3 receivers (MVS, Toney, Moore) has a combined 78 catches for 1108 yards and 4 tds last year. They also lost both starting tackles and at this point I don’t believe they have brought McKinnon back who accounted for 803 yards and 11 tds. Yes they have Kelce but anyone who says their weapon are currently better than the bills has not been paying attention
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1 hour ago, Lost said:
I don't think Beane has any intention of replacing Spencer Brown at this point based how he went on and on about how he was impressed with his progress in his most recent presser.
I agree. I think the bills have already set their starting 5 oline for this year. I expect them to sign a vet FA with starting experience to push brown and be the swing tackle and then draft a c/g prospect in the 3-5 rounds. Everyone expecting a 1st round olineman is going to be very disappointed. Everytime Beane speaks he talks up Brown and it sure seems to me based on what the other 4 guys are getting paid they will all be starters this year -
3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
I just looked up his stats which don't show anything good. 56% career catch rate, 417 total yards last year (his best year), 5 seasons 844 total yards.
What is the expectation of him?
He is a core special teamer that put up about the same offensive stats as McKenzie last year. This is your WR 6 to replace kumerow and gives you a better receiving depth than he provided. They will like head to the draft and grab 1 more receiver.
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16 minutes ago, Chaos said:
Bills I don't think there is enough salary cap to add four veteran free agents at more than the Vet minimum and have enough for the draft class. I do not see how it is feasable to add Wagner, Landry and Elliot.
I think it’s doable.
wagner had a 7.5 million cap hit last year and will be 33this year I think the Jordan poyer contract could get it done and that’s less than a 4 million cap hit. If you add a void year can be under 3 million.
landry had a 1 year 3 million deal last year I would expect a 1 year 2.5 to 3 million deal again.
zeke I am not really sure what he will get but at this point I dont think there is a huge market for him to drive the price up. Maybe 2 year 7 million with a year 1 cap hit around 3 million.
To sign all 3 probably need around 9 million plus 2.5 for draft picks. That putsyou right at the cap but can free up money pretty easily by extending Daquan jones or Hyde by another year. Also can free up 2.5 million by cutting Neal.
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2 minutes ago, Chaos said:
What is the basis for 9 to 11? Won't the Bills go to training camp with 90 players? There will be lots of FA signings. And there will be undrafted free agent rookies too.
There are 9-11 spots available on the 53 man roster. With 6 draft picks that leaves at least 4 FA that will be brought in and will be on the team. I’m not taking Udfa or practice squad type FA that will round out the 90 Man roster
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Currently the bills have between 9 and 11 open roster spots on their 53 man roster. With 6 draft picks this bills will add at least 4 more free agents who will make the 53. Here is the breakdown:
QB: No more additions (Allen and Allen)
RB: 1 more addition (cook, Hines Gilliam) we will add one more back and I think it will be in FA. I don’t think they would want to go into the season with just cook and Hines and a rookie. Fornette and Elliot make sense because they don’t count against comp. Damien Harris is another option
TE: 1 more addition (Knox, Morris) they will add a guy here a with a deep draft at the position I expect it will be in the draft rather than a FA
WR: 2 more additions (diggs, Davis, shakir, harty) I am thinking one FA and one in the draft. There are two options here go with a more expensive vet and then draft a WR late or draft receiver early and go with an older cheaper vet. My vote would be Jarvis Landry to solidify the slot with shakir and then draft a wr early on the outside)
OL: 2 more addition (Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Bates, Brown) I would expect a FA tackle (Shell has beeen rumored) and draft a C/G prospect in mid rounds
DT: 1 more addition (Oliver, Settle, Jones). They could go with a guy like Bryant to fill out the roster but I think it will be a mid round draft pick
DE: 1 more addition (Miller, Groot, Epenesa, Basham) if the bills think Miller will be good to go to start season maybe they go with a late round pick or bring back lawson. My preference would be to grab an older vet on cheap 1 year deal (Ingram, clowned, Houston, someone that is still producing but not going to cost a lot)
LB: 1 more addition (Milano, Bernard, Dodson, matekovich, Spector) Wagner. Would solidify this group if not I expect an early draft pick
Secondary: 0-2 additions (poyer, Hyde, Hamlin, mayden, white, benford, Elam, Neal, lewis, Jackson) this position may not need anything but it depends what they want to do. Does mayden make the 53. They signed him for a 2 year deal so I think so. Is Hamlin back this season? Does benford move to saftey? Do they cut Neal? If they stay as is they are set. If Hamlin mayden or Neal are not available or don’t make team they need to backfill.
Based on needs I see the bills doing the following in the draft
rounds 1-3: some combination of MLB, WR, TE
rounds 4-6: some combination of IOL, DT, DB
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FA still available that would be good pickups for the bills:
Saftey- Jabril Peppers
LB- Bobby Wagner, Drue Tranquil
DT- Poona Ford
RB- foreman, Harris, hunt
WR- OBJ, Chark, Landry, hardman, Theilan, golladay also interesting at a vet min contract
OL- issac seumalo, risner, George fant, isiah Wynn, eleumanor
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Cutting McKenzie saves 2.9 million with a 3.7 million hit for harty the difference is less than a million. Seems like McKenzie is gone
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I like that we finally went with a young guy and not an older vet on a 1 year deal.
for those knocking it he is 25 year old 3rd round pick who has proven he can play in the league. Everyone keeps saying draft olineman but I would rather pay olineman who are proven in the league and use the draft to find impact playmakers
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16 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:
Draft is about 2 or 3 million
Thank you! It drives me nuts when year after year people say we need 5-6 million for draft picks.
Here is the breakdown for the draft:
Round 1- 2.2 million
Round 2- 1.1 million
Round 3- 955k
Round 4- 894k
Round 5- 844k
Round 6- 749k
Total- 6.7 million but each player knocks another player out of the top 53 so you need to reduce the total y a minimum of 750k for each player they replace so the actual total for signing draft picks would be 2.2 million
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1. Bijon Robinson RB
2. Jack Campbell LB3. Darnell Washington TE
4. Jaxon smith njigba WR
5. Joey Porter JR
6. Peter Skoronski OL
7. Steve Avila OL
8. Michael Meyer TE
9. Antonio Johnson S
10. John Michael Schmitz OL
late rd:
1. Dante stills DT
2. Bryce Ford Wheaton WR
3. Elijah Higgins WR
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I think Jarvis Landry is a real possibility in the slot. He is a good blocker and reliable slot target. He has a connection to our WR coach and there were rumors bills were interested last year. Can likely be had for 2.5 million a year and would be a good addition to go with shakir. Also need to draft a WR early
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Andre Dillard- former 1st rd pick, still young, didn’t play much since eagles have good line. Would be solid swing tackle and completion for brown. Won’t cost much
D’ontae Foreman- big back that can be a good duo with cook. 2-3 year deal around 3-3.5 per year
Nate Davis- young, rated higher than both powers and risner, projected around 7 million per year
Jarvis Landry- good slot receiver and physical blocker. Had down year due to injury and poor qb situation. WR coach from college is now Bills WR coach. Played for 1 year 3 million last year so something in the 2-3 million range.
Odell Beckham JR- give gabe competition, know the players on the team want him, reunite with prior coach and potentially Landry. I think something like 2 year 15 million plus incentives would get it doneShaq Lawson- I bring him back on a cheap deal
Bobby Okeroke- young, productive can likely be had for reasonable price
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Bryce Ford Wheaton from WVU ran a 4.38 he is 6-4 221 lbs. I watched him play in every game at WVU and he showed a ton of promise but never put it all together (their coaching has been awful). This is a guy that could be a late round pick to eventually replace gabe next year.
(Just to be clear I don’t think this is the solution I think we should also either sign a FA or draft a WR in the first 2 rounds as well.)
This would be a nice wr group that is young and cheap:
Diggs
Davis
Paris Campbell (cheap FA)
shakir
Jalen hyatt
Bryce ford Wheaton
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
Players in red are gone or are presumed to be gone (example: Edmunds is testing free agency and is expected to get way more than the Bills can pay). Also didn't include 2022 picks since its too early to rate them.
How do you rate the rest of the draft picks? Here are my ratings:
2018
Allen - elite
Edmunds
Phillips
Teller
Mccloud
T Johnson - good
Proehl
2019
Oliver - average
Ford
Singletary
Knox - average
Joseph
J Johnson - bad
D Johnson
Sweeney
2020
Epenesa - backup quality
Moss
Davis - average
Fromm
Bass - good
Hodgins
D Jackson - average (I'm not as down on Dane as some of you)
2021
Rousseau - average
Basham - backup quality
Brown - backup quality
Doyle - backup
Stevenson
Hamlin - backup quality
Wildgoose
Anderson
I know your trying to bash Beane's draft record here and there have been some misses and not enough impact player however I think your off on what your trying to prove here. If your trying to prove he is a bad drafter you need to factor in all of his picks regardless if they are still here or not. You can question their judgement on guys like McCloud, Teller, Phillips, Hodgins on if they used the player correctly or should have been resigned but they should still get credit for drafting them.
Overall by my take Bean has only drafted 1 elite play (that is not enough even though they have drafted at the end of the draft and this is their biggest problem). 2019 was a poor draft and is what is really putting the bills in a tough spot. The guys in that draft should be entering their prime and making and impact on the team now.
In order for the team to take the next step the coaches and Beane need to do a better job once they are drafted of evaluating the talent they have and utilizing them correctly (Hodgins, Teller, even Moss looked decent in Indy when he played). They need more of the good players they draft to be elite they get good contributions from picks but not top end talent.
1 Elite Player
8-9 good players
5 Average players
4 Solid Backup level players
10 bad players (all bad players expect Ford where late round picks)
2018
Allen - elite
Edmunds- Good
Phillips- Good
Teller -Good
Mccloud -Average
T Johnson - good
Proehl - Bad
2019
Oliver - average/good
Ford - Bad
Singletary - good
Knox - good
Joseph - Bad
J Johnson - bad (although for the round he was picked was 4 phase special teams player)
D Johnson- bad
Sweeney - bad
2020
Epenesa - backup quality (I agree with this but he had a 1/2 sack less than Josh Allen and Phillips on Miami who most consider good to elite)
Moss- backup quality
Davis - good
Fromm - bad
Bass - good
Hodgins- average
D Jackson - average (I'm not as down on Dane as some of you)
2021
Rousseau - good
Basham - backup
Brown - average
Doyle - backup
Stevenson- bad
Hamlin - backup
Wildgoose- bad
Anderson- bad
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18 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:
These moves are no brainers IMO and would give the Bills roughly $25 million in cap space heading into the offseason. The rookie pool will account for roughly $7 million.
The bills will only need 2-2.5 million to sign their rookies. They currently have picks in the following rounds with the following cap hits below. That totals around 6.7 million however each one of those 6 picks will knock off a bottom level contract from the roster which would wipe out about 4.5 million of the 6.7 above.
1st round- $2.3 million cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $1.55 M
2nd round- $1.1 million cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $355k
3rd round- $950k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $205k
4th round- $850k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $105k
5th round- $745k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $0k
5th round- $745k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $0k
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1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
I honestly don’t understand the amount of hate AJE gets.
As the 3rd DE AJ had 6.5 sacks, 7 run stuffs, 10 QB hits, and 5 PBUs.
He isn’t perfect and can be inconsistent, as many young players are, but we really get a good amount of impact play from our #3 DE.
I don’t think AJE Epenesa is great but as a 3rd or 4th DE he is fine. His first 2 years he struggled but the Bills wanted him to change his weight and how he plays so not sure how much blame you can put on him.Now that he has finally got to where the bills want him he had 6.5 sacks as a backup. Guys like Jalen Phillips and Josh Allen (Jac) who many on this board say are very good both had 7 sacks as full time starters.
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I think Hines will be back and his contract will be re-worked. They will add a year or 2 to the contract and give him some guaranteed money to reduce his cap hit. He provides value as a KR/PR/RB. If you let him and singletary go you need to go out and sign at least 2 running backs.
I would expect to see a running back room of
cook- cap hit 1.3
Hines - 3 million
bigger back vet around 2 to 2.5 million cap space
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12 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
He's a good receiver on short and intermediate routes. Can play inside and out.
I think Josh would do for him what he did for Jon Brown and Cole Beasley when they were first signed, elevate his play resulting in the best performance of his career.
He's a potential 1,000 yard reciever in this offense and a #2 posession wr.
Also makes us better while weakening our divisional opponent.
100% agree with you. I think he can be had for a reasonable price and he is still young. He instantly upgrades the #2 and #3 with Davis moving to the 3 over McKenzie. I would still take a bigger size/speed WR in the 2nd or 3rd to compete with gabe and then take over for him once he hit free agency.-
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Here are some middle round WR take take a look at that give a nice blend of speed and size if you double dip in the draft:
WR A.T Perry 6-5 210lbs (wake Forest)
4.56 40 time projected round 3
WR Cedric Tillman 6-3 215lbs (Tennessee)
4.52 40 time projected round 2
WR Andrei Iosivas 6-3 200lbs (Princeton)
4.50 40 time projected round 3-4
WR Elijah Higgins 6-3 235 (Stanford)
4.55 40 time projected round 3-5
WR Jalen Moreno-Cropper 6’ 173 (Fresno)
4.45 40 time projected round 4-6
WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton 6-3 224 (WVU)
4.48 40 time projected round 5-7
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I like all the WR mentioned in the original post wanted to throw a few more names out if we double dip at WR that are day 2 or 3 picks that have good size/speed combinations:
WR A.T Perry 6-5 210lbs (wake Forest)
4.56 40 time projected round 3
WR Cedric Tillman 6-3 215lbs (Tennessee)4.52 40 time projected round 2
WR Andrei Iosivas 6-3 200lbs (Princeton)4.50 40 time projected round 3-4
WR Elijah Higgins 6-3 235 (Stanford)
4.55 40 time projected round 3-5
WR Jalen Moreno-Cropper 6-0 173 (Fresno)
4.45 40 time projected round 4-6
WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton 6-3 224 (WVU)4.48 40 time projected round 5-7
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37 minutes ago, Beast said:
I agree about a rookie for backup. If Allen goes down the Bills most likely aren’t winning anyway. Allen is now a seasoned veteran. He doesn’t need another vet holding his hand.
The 49ers struck gold with a late round rookie, though that is most unlikely for any team to wish for.
I personally like Max Duggan in the 5th from TCU. They got blown out by Georgia but he seems to have that similar gamer mentality that Allen has and if Allen got hurt I think Duggan's style of play would allow them to keep the offense the same
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Move on from Poyer and slide Benford into the saftey role
Move on from Edmunds and a guy that is young that should come much cheaper is David Long from Tennessee
Jakobi Meyer, Allen Lazard, DJ chark are some reasonable vet wr to bring in as well as a rookie
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Pre-Draft: Bills already much better than last year
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I just want to say up front sorry for the long post. We are 1 week out from the draft and I thought it would be a good idea to take a look position by position to see where the bills were from a roster standpoint compared to the majority of last year compared to the current roster.
Saftey- Much Better
For the majority of 2022 the roster was an injured poyer, Hamlin getting is first starting experience, Johnson who was a major disappointment, and Lewis/marlowe. In 2023 we are looking at a healthy Poyer and Hyde as well as Rapp (who is starting caliber) and Hamlin who now has experimence playing meaningful minutes
Corner- Same/Slightly Better
I went back and forth between same and better for this position. The players are for the most part the same but I expect this group to be better this year. White will be 1 1/2 removed from injury and have an offseason to get back into the grove and playing shape, Elam and benford are going into year 2 and showed promise in year 1, and we also have Jackson and Johnson back.
Linebacker- Significant downgrade
2022 we had Edmunds and Milano along with Dodson, Bernard, Spector and matekovich. This year we return everyone but Edmunds and have Klien prior to the season but even if one or 2 of them exceed expectations it like will still be a significant downgrade from Edmunds
DT- Same
This is the same group as 202. Oliver, Phillips, Jones, Settle. All 4 guys dealt with injuries last season and you hope they came be better if healthy but at this point you can’t say they got better or worse than last year
DE- Same
Just like DT we are returning the same group. Miller, Groot, Epenesa, Basham, Lawson. I went with same here as well even though Miller missed several games last season there is no gurantee he is healthy to start the season. Epenesa has his best year last year but I think he has hit his ceiling
QB- Same
Hopefully Allen is healthy and we swapped kyle Allen for Kenuem. Kenuem may be better than Kyle Allen but ultimately if Josh is hurt the season is over anyway
RB- Same
2022 we had Singletary, cook, Moss, Jones, Gilliam. In 2023 we lose Jones who offered nothing at the position and singletary who is a significant loss but we get cook in year 2 who showed progress throughout the year, Hines will have an offseason to be incorporated into the offense, and Harris who I think is an equal player to singletary but is a better fit as he offers something the team was missing
TE- Same
As of right now this position looks the same as last year but I expect to add someone in the draft
WR- Slightly Better
For the majority of 2022 we played with Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir and guys we were grabbing off the street. 2023 we have diggs who is great and Davis who is who he is. Shakir is going into year 2 and looked good when he got opportunities. I think Sheffield and Harty ar Euphrates to McKenzie and we have much more depth than last year
OT- Same
Dawkins, Brown, Doyle, Quessenberry. 2023 players look similair to 2022. Although I’m not willing to say this position group is better there is potential. Brown missed all last offseason with a back injury and should be able to participate this year. Doyle was injured all year and Quesenberry also battled multiple injuries. It’s also year 2 in Kromers system
IOL- Better
2022 was primarily saffold, Morse, bates with Van Rotten as the primary backup. Saffold was terrible replacing him with McGovern is a big upgrade. Bates will also be going into year 2 of starting and we are going into year 2 with Kromer. Edwards and Boettger as back up IOL is much better depth than last year.
Overall besides linebacker this team has already either stayed the same or improved across the board. We will add several players on the draft and FA that will continue to improve each position. There has been a lot of doom and gloom on this board since the season ended but the future looks good!