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15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
I dont see any smaller signings right now at WR. It doesnt make sense. You would lose one of your compensatory for a player that you dont think would contribute and you are going to draft over likely multiple times in a Once in a Generation WR draft.
I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.
Rookies a moves for in season stuff will come from tre’s post 6/1 money. Agree we need to bring in several more free agents to fill out roster though
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Sherfield is a FA
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This move replaces Neal for less money and more versatility
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I personally wouldn’t consider cook elite yet but he is close and based on your criteria of top 3-4 his position his stats suggest he is.
2023 cook finished:
3rd is rushing
8th in receiving for rb
3 all purpose yards
his tds were low but that’s because they just let Allen rush anytime we are inside the 5 yard line.
I am not disagreeing that we don’t have enough top talent but Kincaid, cook, and potentially Bernard could move into that category soon. The problem to me is we do not have top talent where it matters most. Dline, CB, WR
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11 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Sporttrac has our rookie pool at nearly 11.5 million.
they are not factoring in the guys they would replace on the roster. If your adding 11 guys through the draft you would be eliminating the bottom 11 salaries on the team would are all about 797k-989k each.so you would only have a net of couple million needed for draft picks
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I would love to see Curtis Samuel on like a 3 year deal if he could be had for like 8 million a year. He has had his best season under Brady, brings some speed to the offense, is still pretty young at 27, and gives you a vet on the roster next year if you move on from diggs.
*I would still want a 1st or 2nd rounder receiver as well
There are much bigger names out there but this is a realistic target I would be very satisfied with
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59 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
QB, LB & TE room are done.
Likely need 1 more linebacker with Dodson and matekovich gone. Likely a late rounder or cheap vet that has strong special teams ability.
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4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Rookies right now cost about 11 mill and tre's post June 1st pretty much covers it
Even if we draft 11 players in the draft the picks will only cost between 4-5 million in cap space.
round 1- 2.4 million
Round 2- 1.17 million
Round 3- 1.011 million
All other rounds are a minimum type salary. All of these players would replace existing minimum contracts on the roster and it would be a wash cap wise. Honestly if you drafted 11 players and they all made the team you might actually gain space as they would likely be replacing guys who make more than the rookie contracts
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39 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
You hear/read posts all the time and comments themselves from the Bills, the team needs to draft and develop players to stay out of salary cap problems. But yet you're ready to give up on Shorter who was just drafted last year in 5th round. Signing, drafting, and spending money on players that don't have a clear spot to make the roster is a waste and will keep you in cap trouble all the time.
If Shorter is not on the team this year, that would be a big failure by the Bills in that they totally wasted a draft pick without ever giving him a chance to see what he can and can't do. But I have faith in the team that they are smart enough to not do something that stupid and he will be on the roster this year.
Likely the Bills have room for 2 WR unless they want to waste more money. Just glad you're not the GM, or maybe you're actually Russ Brandon posting with a new name as this sounds like something he'd have done!
Shorter is a late round gamble who has underperformed at both penn st and Florida. He has limited special teams experience which is going to be something he must do as a 4th or 5th wr on the team. If he wasn’t on IR last year he was probably a 50-50 shot to make the team. Once he was eligible to return off IR and his window was activated they never dressed him. I hope he works out but I’m surely brining in multiple receivers to compete with him -
9 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
Love to hear how you came up with these numbers other than wishful thinking? TE none, yet they carried 3 all season and now only have two plus one ERFA At WR they have 4 signed, Shakir, Diggs, Shorter, and Sherfield 5 if you count Isabella and all they ever carried was 5. But yet you state they need 3 to 4 more!! 2 at RB is about right, will give you that one.
Saftey- we only have Rapp and Hamlin they usually carry 4-5 safeties. Hamlin is not a lock to make the roster
CB- we lost Neal, white, Jackson they will have to add at least 1-2 if not more
LB- we lost Dodson, and matekovich. They will bring in at least 1 LB maybe 2 if one is a core special teamer
DT and DE- we usually carry 10 right now we have 4 on the roster and Kingsley Jonothan is not a lock at all as he barely played last year.
TE- i highly doubt they spend any resources here. Cap space or draft picks. You have Knox Kincaid and Morris who is a core special teamer and has been with the team several years. As a ERFA he can’t play for another team unless the Bills release him. ERFA are paid a minimum salary and he is one of the few core special teamer we have left on the team he will be back. They also have 2 other guys on future deals that were with the practice squad last year.
RB- they always carry 3 and have 1 right now. I would expect probably a vet and late round rookie
WR- They usually carry 5 but possibly will Carry 6 if one is a special teamer. Shorter has never played a snap and even tho Harty ans Sherfield we’re not great last year he never stuck on the roster or played much when he was called up. I don’t think either one is a guarantee. Sherfield is also a FA. Right now the only 2 WR we know will be on the team are Diggs and Shakir. I would imagine 1 of hamler, Isabella, shorter makes the team and we add a minimum of 2 WR but more likely 3 -4 with one being a returner/special teams guy
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Based on the number of players the bills usually carry at each position this appears to be the team needs:
saftey- 2-3 more players
CB - 1-2 more players
LB- 1-2 more players
DE- 2-3 more players
DT- 3-4 more players
OL- 1-2 more players
RB- 2 more players
WR- 3-4 more players
TE- None
QB- None
We Are looking at 15-20 potential additions to the roster in FA in the draft. I expect to make about 8 draft picks after Beane moves around so we are likely going to bring in about 10 free agents (some of those being players who could have been on roster last year
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18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Tre White $10 million doesn’t kick in until June 1st. Draft picks cost about $11 million if we keep all of them, so that’s a wash.
Even if we draft 11 players in the draft the picks will only cost between 4-5 million in cap space.
round 1- 2.4 million
Round 2- 1.17 million
Round 3- 1.011 million
All other rounds are a minimum type salary. All of these players would replace existing minimum contracts on the roster and it would be a wash cap wise. Honestly if you drafted 11 players and they all made the team you might actually gain space as they would likely be replacing guys who make more than the rookie contracts
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1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:
If anything, you are going to see some truly absurd deals thrown around for marginal FA's like Gabe Davis and AJE
This would be good for Buffalo. If Davis, Floyd, AJE and even jones get over payed in FA it could net us a few extra 3rd to 5th round comp picks next year -
7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
Why bring in any of these guys? What do they bring but a waste of limited cap $. Could they out outperform the nothing we got from Harty, Sherfield, and Isabella? Sure they could, but so could a 4th or 5th rd draft pick. Shorter is already here and is aleady a cost-controlled option.
I'd much rather have Diggs, a top draft pick, and Shakir as the top 3. and then let Shorter, Hamler and another draft pick fight it out for the 4th and 5th slots. Long-term we'd be much better off if Shorter and/or another similar draft pick emerge as a threat just like 5th rd pick Shakir did last year. I just don't see how adding another 1-year castoff makes us better. We need to fix the D Line and safety depth before wasting FA $ on a 4th or 5th WR.
You’re assuming a top draft pick is going to come in and instantly be a very good player. Even top draft picks are a 50-50 shot. So if that player doesn’t perform year 1 you’re ok with a potentially declining diggs, shakir and a bunch of guys that could offer nothing? Everyone agrees we need a top young wr but you can’t bank on that. They will need to bring in at least 1 vet with a decent floor.
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8 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:
I agree, however I don’t see any reason why we need to go after a FA WR when this years draft class is very deep. With our big contracts on the books (some bad), I am a fan of grabbin a rook WR that is NFL ready or very close to…
You have to bring in at least 1 proven wr. He doesn’t have to be a star but someone you can count on. There is no guarantee whoever you draft is going to be star year 1. Even if they are if diggs goes down your looking at shakir and a rookie. We need more than that
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4 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:
Assuming the price is right, I think Curtis Samuel could be everything we hoped McKenzie and Hardy could be in this offense.
I also think Mooney could be a nice bargain basement pickup: he's never had a legitimate passing threat at the QB position, and I think pairing him with Josh could help him explode -- or at least evolve into J. Brown type production.
Regardless, the team still needs to draft a prototype deep threat WR.
I agree with you. I think they need to draft a top prospect but also find a veteran you can count on as well. Samuel or Mooney make a lot of sense in that regard. If you only bring in rookies and no veteran and they struggle year 1 your WR is worse than this year assuming gave us gone
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With FA less than a month away I figured it was time to start taking a look at some. Value free agents. With limited cap space but plenty of needs the Bills will need to hopefully find guys who can provide value and fill roles a low cost. Our impact players are most likely going to come from the draft. Here is a list I started to get some discussion going. Look forward to seeing other names people think could be a fit at a low to moderate cost.
RB:
Antonio Gibson (Washington)
AJ Dillion (GB)
D’ Onta Foreman (Chi)
Gus Edwards (Bal)
Clyde Edwards Helaire (KC)
Kareem Hunt (Cleveland)
J.K. dobbins (Bal)
WR:
Kendrick Bourne (NE)
Nelson Agholar (Bal)
Josh Reynolds (Detroit)
Donovan People’s Jones (Det)
Darnell Mooney (Chi)
Dj Chark (Car)
Slightly more costly but not top dollar:
Tyler Boyd (cincy)
Curtis Samuel (wash)
Hollywood brown (Arizona)
Saftey:
Julian Blackmon (colts)
Jordan Fuller (Rams)
Jermey chin (panthers)
Mike Edwards (KC)
Dashon Elliot (Miami)
Tashon Gibson (SF)
DT:
Tiare Tart (titans-Texans)
Maurice Hurst (Cleveland)
Javon Kinlaw (SF)
Raekwon Davis (Miami)
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I would be pretty pumped with this draft. No trades
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52 minutes ago, wppete said:
With this move there is a Good chance Bills have a good look at Miami - S - Kareem Kinchens. Hope he makes it to us in the second round.
Don’t be surprised if the Bills grab saftey Tykee smith from Georgia in the middle rounds. He was an All American at WVU and when Addae left WVU for the job at Georgia he took Tykee Smith with him.
https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/25/tykee-smith-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024
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3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:
Dumb. A top safety or even CB or DT or DE will NOT impact the Bills chance of winning as much as a stud WR on a 5-year rookie contract. Josh throwing to a big, fast young WR is the single biggest difference this team can make going forward.
We lack a "dangerous" player on this team and this is the draft to get a dangerous WR in the first round. Draft a CB or safety in the second but not the first.
Everyone wants a stud round 1 WR but it’s not a sure thing they work out especially year 1. I would much rather spend my cap money on a proven young WR (Higgins, Pittman) and then get a mid round pick at WR to go with diggs and shakir. If that first round receiver isn’t a stud out of the gate your wr situation next year is worse than this year. Use the draft to get young and cheap on defense and use all available assets in FA to load up on proven talent for Josh. Diggs contract will be off the books after next year so you can structure a proven wr contract with a low year 1 cap hit then have it increase the following years -
19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Money isn’t an issue for the Bills. They can definitely afford a WR2 in free agency. Even a WR1 if they make some simple moves.
Agree with this. They can and should sign a dependable WR in FA. This will be diggs last year. You can have the year 1 cap hit be extremely small and then have it increase next year once diggs is off the books. I want to use a day 1 or 2 pick on a wr as well but for everyone just saying double dip in the draft and be done that is crazy. There is a 50-50 shot the draft pick works out. If they struggle in year one your WR situation is worse than this year, a declining diggs, shakir (Davis gone) and 2 rookies
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1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:
Nope
He has been nothing but a let down in Carolina which is really hard to do on the worst team in the league.
Hard Pass
Adam Thielin on a one year as a possession receiver. That’s the Panther to take
This is more of a flyer for a 7th rounder that likely doesn’t make the team anyway. If Joe Brady is back he was his coach at LSU where he had success. He also has never had a quality qb throwing him the ball. Idk if it works out but to me it’s worth a 7th round pick to take a chance
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
This scenario ignores the Defense completely. Where we have just Rousseau, Miller, and Kingsley returning at DE from the 53. Literally ONLY Ed Oliver at DT. Poyer (who has an out in his contract and may need to be replaced as well) and Hamlin as our only Safeties.
This was only focused on offense. There are plenty of ways to save money on defense to get us below the cap and have money to sign guys as well. We would also have 6 draft picks including a 1st, 2nd, and 4th in this scenario all dedicated to the defense.
Cutting poyer, extending Johnson and Douglas, pay cut or cut for white and you are saving over 20 million with those moves alone. More saving could be had from Neal. There are plenty of ways to save money.
Bills Cap Status - Approx $4.25 under cap 4/03/2024 (added roster change summary)
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Posted · Edited by khlax3
based on the numbers they kept last year at each position they still need:
2 Safties
1-2 CB
1-2 LB
2 DT
1-2 DE
2 RB
1-2 OL
2-3 WR
and they also don’t have a guy who could be KR/PR currently
That is just to get to a 53 man roster. Your also going to need completion for guys like Doyle, Hamlin and other end of roster guys