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13 hours ago, H2o said:
We have all seen how things unfolded the last few years. A dismantling in the AFC Championship game by KC, 13 Seconds, the flop against Cincy, and then the recreation of Wide Right. McDermott has had friction with multiple coaches because he can't stop meddling. We've had 3 OC's the last 3 years. Frazier was sent packing, McDermott officially took over the defense, and now Babich is going to be "running" things. We've had some questionable draft choices when there seemed to be better options at the time, usually involving selecting defensive players. Now, because of the way they tried to build this squad, and the unnecessary drama, we are in what Beane calls a "transition" phase.
People love to talk about 2017, how we handed KC Mahomes. Beane wasn't here for that though. It was strictly a McDermott draft based off of the work Whaley and his scouts had done. That draft brought us White, Dawkins, and Milano. If not for the injuries that have derailed White's career, we could talk about the entire situation in a different manner. You can't deny that, right now, Mahomes is on his way to staking a claim at GOAT status. It is what it is. Now fast forward to 2024. Knowing what Allen needed, what this team needed, they traded with KC. With the situation that has unfolded with Rashee Rice, you have to believe KC was looking at WR. They take the WR with the fastest recorded 40 of all time. Me, personally, Worthy doesn't scare me. Yes, he's fast. But he has had some drops and the guy is lighter than my 16 year old at 165lbs. Let him get out there to get squared up by some of these LB's and S's who outweigh him by 30lbs-70lbs. I just don't think he's built to last in this league. I don't see him as Tyreek Hill 2.0 at all. Tyreek is 25lbs heavier than him and is a 4.2 guy in pads, as well as on the track. Still, if I am wrong, the Bills FO just handed KC a guy who will give us fits for years to come. It will be another black eye on this organization from something McDermott, and this time Beane, had hands in.
The "run it back" mentality has bit them this time. Because we were so close in the 13 seconds game, they developed this "run it back" type of mentality. Sure, we changed a player here or there, but many of the pieces have been the same squad since then. The weight is always, squarely, on Josh's shoulders. People try to use KC as a comparison and say look at what they were able to achieve without big name WR's, or whatever else. Well, KC has Mahomes, Andy Reid scheming the offense for Mahomes (probably THE largest difference), one of the greatest TE's ever to play the game, has typically had a top tier OL, a REALLY good defense littered with talent across the board, and a DC in Spagnuolo who has been a part of 4 SB winning defenses. Gabe never developed, Edmunds never developed, Von's knee, Poyer got old, Hyde's neck injury, White constantly on IR, constantly cycling out JAG's to fill holes, constantly rolling with meh WR's (outside of Diggs, who became more trouble than he was worth), keeping together a middling OL because Josh makes them look better than they actually are, defensive instability, and have changed the guy calling the offense out 3 times in 3 years. Now, on top of that, we find ourselves in Cap purgatory and still no closer to the goal we wish to achieve.
Going into the 2024 draft, a blind man could see Josh needed weapons on the outside. We had big shoes to fill in Diggs and we needed an upgrade on what Gabe Davis was in this offense. Shakir has shown promise, but he's primarily been used in the Slot. We signed Curtis Samuel, who has primarily been a Slot guy as well. After that we were left with a bunch of JAG's we already had. In the best WR class in at least 10 years, we come away with one WR. I'm not counting the camp fodder UDFA's. We drafted ONE guy. Opinions vary on that one guy. He is truly a boundary WR though. Still, you would have thought this team would have doubled up on boundary guys for the sake of giving their generational talent QB more to work with. Instead they throw all their eggs in one basket by going Safety, DT, and RB with their next 3 selections. Kirby mentioned it in another thread, and I have to concur, that this team looks to have a bottom 5 WR group right now. Until proven otherwise on the field, it is what it is. I think it is a failure, as well as a disservice to JA17, to only have come away with one WR out of this class. This doesn't mean I hate our draft, or grade it an F. I just think it's par for the course we've already seen from this regime, a course that has always seen us come up short.
In the end, I think this year will be the make or break for both Beane and McDermott. To continue to do things the same way and expect different results is madness. If the players they drafted become a foundational youth movement, if you can see the results on the field as to what they were drafted for, if Samuel, Shakir, and Coleman make for a dangerous group, if we can transition on the fly like KC did a couple years ago, and if we didn't just make the KC offense unstoppable again, then they'll be around for a while. But there are A LOT of "if's" in that statement. At some point you have to pull the plug if it's not getting you any closer to what should be the goal of every franchise in professional sports, a championship. We shall see.
I can agree with the best WR class in 10 years to the point of we should have done better in the draft and/or a trade. Beane did allude to having various ways to accumulate players before the start of the season so at this point I have no choice but to give him the benefit of a doubt. Looking back there’s 2 things that stand out to me about Beane. The first one is he has a tendency to shock people with his decisions/moves, whether it be in the positive way or a negative way. It seems like he’s trying to be ultra slick but sometimes it’s just best to play the hand your dealt and just take good players that fall to you. The second thing is outside of Diggs It appears to me that Beane doesn’t value the WR position very highly, with that being said I think the same could be said about the RB position as well. He’s always using later draft picks than one would like on them and/or trading/signing 2nd-3rd tier players at these positions. I think he relies way too much on Josh’s greatness. When is he gonna just go all in at these positions to help #17??! It’s redundant to keep on using most of our 1st and 2nd rd picks for the DL that isn’t really all that special.
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3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:
I would assume Simmons is off the list with our 2nd round pick. A veteran CB like Howard or Peterson would be nice as would Lawson or Ngakoue as a situational rusher.
I’ve always been interested in Ngakoue when he was available but being available so many times now is making me second guess of that. It would be great if Ngakoue, or somebody else, could help fill Leonard Floyd’s shoes.
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28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I believe 13 of the last 15 drafts… #33 has been traded
I wouldn’t count on anything this regime will do.
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11 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:
50/50 trade for Aiyuk tomorrow.. post 49ers taking RP at 31. This makes lot more sense then BB losing his mind?
I think you’re spot on my friend. Grabbing one of the 49’ers’ WRs (Aiyuk?) makes the most sense. Either trading our 2nd rd pick at #60 this year or one or our 2nd rd picks in next year’s draft would make sense for compensation for me and then taking Dejean with our 1st pick tomorrow night would round out this draft and roster for us quite nicely and then having a couple/few extra better quality picks in this draft and/or next year’s draft would salvage Beane imo for the most part. One thing that I can’t wrap my head around is the fact that Beane just gift wrapped the fastest player ever in the combine’s history to of all people/team Andy Reid/Chiefs! Sheesh, that’s a hard pill to swallow!
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24 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
I think he's toast. And was never great to begin with. If he was Jerry Rice at the end of his career,take a shot. But a WR who was Never great in his career,nah. Also,I'm not sure "settle" is the right description for McConkey. I think he'll be a good/solid player in the league for many years. Just not sure that equates to a first rd pick,at least for us, considering his fit at this time with our current roster
I didn’t intend to throw any shade on McConkey, I misspoke there. I was really hoping and looking forward for Beane to find a way to draft Brian Thomas Jr but at this point I’m getting the feeling that is probably just a pipe dream. I wouldn’t be unhappy if Beane does end up just taking McConkey.
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I understand but boy oh boy a few years back this guy was making incredible catches. I still think if Beane doesn’t make WR a huge priority in the draft then he better bring in some kind of experienced WRs to add to this group. I saw somebody mention OBJ which would be great but not if he’s looking for big money.
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After hearing Old Beane talking in his PC it doesn’t strike me as a guy who is looking to be over aggressive in the draft. If he does seem to settle for a 2nd/3rd tier as he indicates then I would think a veteran would be helpful as a safety net. At one point Robinson had some decent value but has fallen off in the last few years. Is he a product of getting lost in the shuffle and/or landing up with inexperienced/journeymen (Pittsburgh) QBs? I dunno know if any of that is applicable but I do think that if Beane settles for somebody like McConkey then adding a veteran would hold some value for this offense.
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Aw man, I liked Phillips, I just wish that could stay healthy. Best of luck #97, it was fun while it lasted!
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Spencer has actual value IMO. We did it with Cordy Glenn. Perhaps Spencer gets us from 28 to 13-16ish if we add a 2025 4th
Or he could be used in a package to NYG
Actually this draft is suppose to be heavy with OL so this makes a ton of sense. Nice point. I don’t think that if Beane were to trade up it would be just solely just draft pick(s). I could see a player or maybe even 2 used in trading up coupled with pick(s). Thanks for the input.
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Here are the 5 worse secondaries from last year ranked.
#28 Colts
#29 Giants
#30 Cardinals
#31 Raiders
#32 Bears
if so it would soften the compensation it would take to move up with any of these teams. How Elam’s value is perceived is something I’d be curious to know.
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3 minutes ago, nucci said:
why does he have a high ceiling? He's done nothing so far
Size, speed and being a former 1st rd pick. Coming out of college he was suppose to be a AJ Brown clone. Obviously he’s not so far but at one point he was considered to be. Minimal investment is worth a consideration.
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One other aspect that could be attractive for Beane, Burks signed a 4 year 14+M contract with half of it already paid (7+M) out. Burks is making just over 3M @ year which would be another benefit for the cash strapped Bills.
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The Titans traded for Calvin Ridley which doesn’t bode well for Burks. Having DeAndre Hopkins, Ridley and the #7 pick overall in this year’s draft puts them in the right position to select one of the top 3 WRs.
I believe that Beane is going to move up in the draft for either Brian Thomas Jr or Adonai Mitchell but adding another WR is still a real possibility. Being a former 1st rd pick that hasn’t stayed healthy makes Burks expendable. If Beane could get him cheap that would be a low risk high ceiling WR prospect for the Bills imo.
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I don’t have time to figure out how to post a picture of Jefferson at Buffalo’s airport but I didn’t think it was him anyways so I confirmed it with my son who is a big LSU fan and he said that it’s definitely not Jefferson so scrap all that, I didn’t even want to say it but some here wanted to know why I thought Beane was ready to explode. With all that said I responded in Virgil’s previous post titled NFL Trade Chart-For Those Who Are Interested. Here’s what I think is very possible.
Thanks for posting this! Since the Diggs’ trade I’ve pondering Beane’s rationale and of course a trade up in the draft is almost a guarantee. Under that assumption I came up with some possibilities, 3 as a matter of fact.
When Beane gave up his 1st rd pick for Diggs it almost killed him. He was itching so bad during that draft. I remember him stopping just short of saying that he would never give up a 1st rder again unless it was in an extreme circumstance. Well, here we are! What I believe what Beane might be thinking is he can trade next year’s 1st rd pick this year because he has 2 2nd rd picks next year that he can pair up and get back into the 1st rd again. Just food for thought.
Scenario #1. Using the above chart Beane goes COMPLETELY all in and makes a trade with the Bears at #9. The Bears only have 4 picks in the entire draft so I could see them moving back to acquire more picks. This serves twofold, it gets them one of the top 3 WRs in the draft and it also leapfrogs the Jets at #10 who very well could be taking one of the top WRs themselves. My guess would be it’s for Rome Odunze.
Scenario #2. Once again Beane makes another leapfrog move and trades up with the Saints at #14 just before the Colts at #15. In this scenario it’s for LSU WR Brian Thomas Jr. Based on LSU WRs in the past (Chase & Jefferson) being so pro ready I believe that this is our best option for Diggs’ replacement. Git ‘er done Beanie!
Scenario #3. The Bills just stand pat at #28 and draft Georgia WR Ladd McConkey. Under this scenario I would think that the Bills would also make a trade for a veteran like Brandon Aiyuk. I won’t venture what the compensation would be but the Bills but I would imagine that Buffalo will have enough resources left to get a trade like this done.
Personally I like Scenario #2 the best and that’s what I’m hoping for.
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18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
it's not nice to tease people! Let's hear it!15 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:Yeah really Tipster. We won’t hold you accountable as long as you preface it with “this is just what I heard” or “take it for what it’s worth because I don’t know if it’s just rumor” then you’re good.
14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:You say you're sure he has a plan? Absolutely. Not even a question.
You say you're sure his plan is a shocker? Not convinced. Maybe and maybe not.
Ok, you guys asked for it. I’m not saying this so don’t hold me accountable! It’s a supposedly a picture of Jefferson at Buffalo’s airport. I got to go to an appointment and tech illiterate so I’m having trouble posting the picture. Personally I don’t think it’s him but I’ll figure it out later and post it. Remember I’m not saying it and a few of you asked for this!
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If I shared what I came across than I would only be feeding the rumor treadmill. The point is even if that is all bs it doesn’t matter. What matters is just knowing Beane and he’s not taking this laying down, he’s gonna come up with a big time shocker, just expect it.
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This is the calm before the storm! If anyone thinks that Beane is just gonna let this whole Diggs thing go down without him having something up his sleeve than they are sadly underestimating him. Oh it’s coming, there’s no doubt in my mind. There’s a couple of speculations that I came across and 1 or 2 of them makes perfect sense so if if it’s either one of them than I’m quite confident it’ll be something of that magnitude. Look at Beane’s track record, he’s not afraid to make these shocking decisions and/or trades. It’s coming!
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10 hours ago, Success said:
Great breakdown of the options. My preference would be the 1st - with no #1 on this team, I'd really love to get one of the top 3 guys.
Would you (or anyone) think there is a chance we might trade w/ the Giants & try to get Nabers?
I wouldn’t put nothing past Beane but it does take two to tango and with that being said I don’t know if the Bills have enough resources to move up that far for the Giants to be willing to move all the way back to #28. I’d be against it but I would think that one of our players like a Greg Rosseau would have to be a part of the compensation.
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18 hours ago, Virgil said:
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
For those interested in trading up, here's some scenarios. This is not to say that I want to Bills to make any of these moves. Just putting information out there.
Bills Picks - Value
#28 - 660
#60 - 300
#128 - 44
#133 - 39.5
2025 #1 - 300
2025 #2 132
2025 #2 (Diggs) - 150?
These are the values of different tiers in the top 20 for this draft:
5 - 1700
10 - 1300
15 - 1050
20 - 850
So, for those who want a top 4 receiver, which are projected to go in the top 10-15, you'd be looking at:
Top 10 - 1300 Value - #28, #60, #133, 2025 #1
Top 15 - 1050 Value - #28, #60 or next year's 1st, and #2 next year from Diggs trade
For me, that's way to rich for my blood in such a deep draft class. But, I also wouldn't be surprised if one of them fell beyond 10.
Thanks for posting this! Since the Diggs’ trade I’ve pondering Beane’s rationale and of course a trade up in the draft is almost a guarantee. Under that assumption Came up with some possibilities, 3 as a matter of fact.
When Beane gave up his 1st rd pick for Diggs it almost killed him. He was itching so bad during that draft. I remember him stopping just short of saying that he would never give up a 1st rder again unless it was in an extreme circumstance. Well, here we are! What I believe what Beane might be thinking is he can trade next year’s 1st rd pick this year because he has 2 2nd rd picks next year that he can pair up and get back into the 1st rd again. Just food for thought.
Scenario #1. Using the above chart Beane goes COMPLETELY all in and makes a trade with the Bears at #9. The Bears only have 4 picks in the entire draft so I could see them moving back to acquire more picks. This serves twofold, it gets them one of the top 3 WRs in the draft and it also leapfrogs the Jets at #10 who very well could be taking one of the top WRs themselves. My guess would be it’s for Rome Odunze.
Scenario #2. Once again Beane makes another leapfrog move and trades up with the Saints at #14 just before the Colts at #15. In this scenario it’s for LSU WR Brian Thomas Jr. Based on LSU WRs in the past (Chase & Jefferson) being so pro ready I believe that this is our best option for Diggs’ replacement. Git ‘er done Beanie!
Scenario #3. The Bills just stand pat at #28 and draft Georgia WR Ladd McConkey. Under this scenario I would think that the Bills would also make a trade for a veteran like Brandon Aiyuk. I won’t venture what the compensation would be but the Bills but I would imagine that Buffalo will have enough resources left to get a trade like this done.
Personally I like Scenario #2 the best and that’s what I’m hoping for.
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It was a little surprising for me to see Damien Harris just up and retire like he did but Dobbins would be a great replacement for him.
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17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate.
Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade?
a few things:
the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT?
how much $ would we save by trading Dion?
what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick.
I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here. Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG. Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional
again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return
I agree with just about everything you stated but there’s way too much unknown (contract value/verbage) to make an intelligent decision but that divisional rd game against the Chiefs where he got pushed right into Josh really pissed me off, he’s been talking way too much for my liking.
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9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
3rd - my bad
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the Packers gave us Douglas and their 5th Rd pick for our 3rd Rd pick. If so that’s quite the value for us.
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Generally speaking I don’t know of another team that had more plug-n-plays than the Bills. It was getting nauseating hearing about all the injuries Miami has suffered. The Bills’ injuries happen long before and most, not all, seem to have forgotten about that, especially that it happened to so many star players for this team. I think Beane has outdid himself this year, it’s incredible how this team still keeps moving forward.
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In all the aftermath I haven’t seen much talk about Beane. Specifically Rasul Douglas and now Harty have helped keep this thing going. I’m sure that there has been a few other plays/players that have contributed this year but those two in particular really stand out.
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Random talking head says something about the Bills
in The Stadium Wall
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I hope the adage Pride before the fall applies here. Pretty smug imo but could they be more accurate than one would think. I guess we’ll have to wait and see on that one. I guess the only real question is if this Claypool signing really is a joke or is Beane?
https://kckingdom.com/posts/bills-make-laughable-free-agent-wr-addition-01hwzg5a664y