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10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
How’d he get 24
Taron Johnson switched to #7 prior to the Draft
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3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Fantastic stuff. Shoot that #Process into my veins.
Really cool to see Singletary talking up Cook while working together before he was drafted by the Bills.
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53 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Yes.
And yet Phil Hansen was no better than Hughes. Hansen also had zero All-Pros and zero Pro Bowls.
My guess is that Hughes is close but not quite good enough. But the same is true of Hansen, IMO. The two were pretty close in sacks, but there wasn't any Bruce Smith on the other side drawing attention away from Jerry. Nor a Cornelius Bennett rushing from outside Hughes. Hansen was a better run defender
That's where Hughes being a Drought Era into the beginning of the ascent of Allen hurts him. Had he been here for 11 years and 3 Super Bowl Appearances like Hansen was - he'd have more of a shot to make it like Hansen did. As I think most fans would agree Hansen is a bit of a fringe worthy Wall of Famer himself, mostly there for being a member of the Glory Days teams and his 11 year tenure.
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5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
Why would anyone take an NFL GM at his word about the draft? Before it, after it, whatever. Every one of them say the same things about all of their picks. It means nothing.I touched on this in the last paragraph of my post.
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30 minutes ago, K-9 said:
Again, other players being deserving of the honor doesn’t disqualify Jerry. Lots of ex players should and will be considered as well. Hughes isn’t blocking anyone. That’s not how it works. And I’d like to see others up there before him as well.
As for the significance of the drought era that, too, has no bearing on anything. There are players up there who lived thru their own thin years on many poor teams. Jerry’s four seasons of being in the playoffs dwarfs that of several of them, anyway.
https://www.buffalobills.com/team/alumni/wall-of-fame
There are a total of 25 players in the ENTIRE history of the Bills up on that Wall. There hasn't been a player between Phil Hansen and now that have gotten that nod yet.
And yes, that is how it works. Just like the Hall of Fame. Only the tippy top of different eras are going to make the cut. You might think him deserving. But there are many more that are more deserving that would be more likely to get consideration before him during his tenure with the Bills. And only so many (very few) are going to make the final cut.
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1 hour ago, K-9 said:
If I’m still alive when it happens, I’ll look you up and say I told you so.
Jerry Hughes was a good Bill and I respect him and his tenure here. But he doesn't make the Wall. His era is mainly the drought era. When it comes to the drought era, we're not going to put up many guys.
Kyle Williams will certainly be up there before Jerry Hughes. Fred Jackson being the 3rd all time rusher for the Bills would go up before Jerry. Even at his own position - Aaron Schobel had just as long of a tenure as Jerry, went to two Pro Bowls (Jerry went to none), and had better numbers here than Jerry - and I don't think he's making it up on the Wall. So I don't know how Jerry does.
And when it comes to the post drought era - there's going to be so many above Hughes when it's all said and done and there's only so many spots on the Wall.
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3 minutes ago, Doc said:
I did a search and couldn't find anywhere that McDuffie was a top-30 visit with the Bills.
Yes, but again, we never got the full list of 30. There were visits that weren't reported. And again, we held an interview with him at the Combine and were at his Pro Day.
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7 minutes ago, Doc said:
He brought in Stingley, Gardner and Elam in for top-30 visits. That says 3-1st round CBs.
We never got the full 30 list so we don't know that McDuffie wasn't brought in. But we do know they met with him at the Combine like they did Elam. And again, his being patient and then getting proactive only after McDuffie came off the board paints a picture to me that he was cool with letting the board come to him and taking one at 25. Though that's not to say he would have picked McDuffie over Elam if both were available to him.
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2 hours ago, billybrew1 said:
Link?
2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Where did you see the Bills had 4 CBs with first round grades? Got a link?I don't think it's ever been outright said. But if you take Beane at his word and read between the lines of his actions - it's pretty obvious.
It would be ridiculous to think Beane had a 2nd Round grade on Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley who were gone in the first 4 picks. So there's two right there.
Beane was patient, stood firm, and let the board fall to him as long as McDuffie and Elam were both still on the board. The second McDuffie came off the board at 21, he started making calls to move up. I don't think this is a coincidence.
He stated he couldn't get a deal done at 22 and ended up pulling the trigger at 23 for Elam. Of whom he said was "the last player left on the board we had a 1st Round grade on". So that would be your 4.
Now if Elam was gone too and we went with Gordon, Booth, or McCreary do I think it's possible he still would have said they were "the last player left on the board with a 1st Round grade"? It's possible. But again, if we're taking him at his word - it sure paints a picture that he only had 4 CB's with Round 1 grades.
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As is often the case on this board, this thread has become an argument of two extremes with the reality being somewhere in the middle.
Jerry Hughes was a good to, at times a number of years ago, very good player. He GREATLY overachieved his expectations when we traded away a bag of balls for a player who was considered a bust and being given a last shot with a change of scenery.
He was at his best when he was on the line alongside Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus in their Pro Bowl prime, while they garnered the most blocking attention. His intensity, leadership, and availability secured him a long term role on this team as a respected veteran
He was often considered a PFF analytic favorite for his ability to "win" at the line against his blocking. However, this stat somehow didn't equate to a large number of sacks, especially in his last few years with the team.
Ultimately, he wasn't as bad or overrated as some posters say he was. But he's also a guy who was never an All-Pro or even made the Pro Bowl. Some posters are truly overvaluing him, especially at this stage of his career. I will remember him fondly. Along the same lines and somewhere between that of a Phil Hansen and Aaron Schobel.
But if you watched us take a DE in 2020 with our top (albeit 2nd Round) pick, following it up going back to back at DE with our 1st & 2nd Round picks in the 2021 Draft, you were a fan of his, didn't realize what that meant for Jerry on the last year of his contract we didn't extend and didn't prepare yourself - you were living in denial, plain and simple. Especially after covering the slower than ideal development of some with the signing of Von Miller.
The writing was on the wall since April of last year.
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23 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
I wanted to hold a spot for Jerry but he alas has signed with the Texas.......get Bradberry in here please
It's not happening. There's a list of teams in on him and we're not one of them. And while we're often in on players that the press isn't aware of, there are teams that are in on him that have more money and a long term starting role available. That isn't available here.
We're not going to pay him the kind of money he will command for the type of role he'd have here and he wouldn't pass on his other options for the kind of role he'd have here. Bradberry is the fall back plan for teams that didn't secure a top option at CB in the Draft or the teams that did and still don't have much on the other side.
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Hughes was a good player for us for a number of years. I respect all the work he put in and it's sad his prime came before the team's prime.
We spent the last 3 offseason's preparing for his exit. Von Miller's signing signaled a changing of the guard in the Edge Rushing room. With everything they've done in the Draft and FA since 2020 - the writing was on the wall that he wasn't getting another contract.
In Houston, he gets to go home and quite possibly start. Though it appears to me that they aren't interested in winning many games this season, going with Davis Mills at QB. I'd imagine they plan on trying to land their next Franchise QB in the 2023 Draft.
I get loving long tenured players. But it's time to let go and move on. Long tenured players are moved on from teams every offseason. We won't be giving up a Draft Pick and making a mid season trade for him unless there is serious injuries along the Edge. So we really shouldn't be rooting for that.
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On 4/1/2022 at 8:32 PM, Steptide said:
Is he a free agent currently?
Yes, he's still a Free Agent. Which speaks to what the rest of the league thinks of what he offers at this point in his career.
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7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
I think He was a little sarcastic
I don't think the bills have much hope at all for Cody Ford besides maybe being a swing guard
Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
Maybe. But even if he was, there's truth in the sarcasm. You don't spend a 2nd and a 5th on someone and then not give them every opportunity to validate the investment. Teams don't throw away premium picks within the first two rounds for nothing. Cody is being given his 4th opportunity, though he has to earn it this season.
To not develop and label guys as "JAG's" before their 2nd or 3rd years in Epenesa and Basham after making such an investment in is not how GMs operate.
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2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:
Beane asleep at the wheel. He is also not signing our draft picks. I say fire him until it's too late!
Lol that's a bit of a leap. I'm just intrigued to see the final list as there's often more signings than what was leaked and I'm interested in seeing how many roster spots are left and to take a look at any other guys that may be coming into camp.
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So are we waiting until the start of Rookie Minicamp before we officially announce the full list of UDFA signings?
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
No, I’m not. I’m talking about a super bowl run. A super bowl run in which we can use as many good pass rushers as we can get. Right now, we have one great pass rusher at end, 1 guy we hope we will be great (but good is his likely ceiling imo), 2 guys that have shown next to nothing and a minimum salary castoff that is better than the 2 guys that have shown next to nothing.
I’m not talking about development. I’m talking about adding talent for the 2022 super bowl run. Playing the best talent possible. Basham, epenesa and Shaq are all lesser than Jerry. Jerry would make out team better. Period
That is not comparing apples to oranges unless you change the conversation. I made a comment, you cranked out a bunch of reasons why they shouldn’t sign him and said that it doesn’t make sense for either party…..and that’s untrue. Make up some nonsense than accuse me of exaggerating…. Not surprised
You think right. But he has to use that as support for his argument that “it makes not sense for either the bills or Jerry”…..even though it doesn’t support it at all.
Here you go bolding everything again like the under 30" CB arm post you tried to claim after you edited the post that it wasn't about McDuffie, who ended up being the first CB drafted after Sauce and Stingley and wasn't even on the board when we picked.
And just like that post, you're completely disregarding all other factors and pointing to one thing as the be all, end of any other conversation points.
You call it "changing the conversation". I call it bringing up factors that you want to completely disregard. You keep talking like Jerry Hughes is going to win us a Super Bowl. When the League has determined he's no longer close to what he was by literally every team in the league passing on giving him a starting role or one that gets substantial reps. If he is still as good as you believe he is - he wouldn't come back here for the role he'd be asked to play at this point.
Ultimately, if it was the no-brainer, simple as that decision as you claim - we'd have made the move by now.
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6 hours ago, dwight in philly said:
Maybe Matt Barkley?
6 hours ago, Offside Number 76 said:I'm a big fan of using the backup QB to hold for kicks. It opens up all sorts of possibilities.
6 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:Barkley is doubtful imo because he will likely be QB3 and won’t be activated on game day
6 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:If they are going to carry 3 QB's then Matt Barkley can do it. He won't see the field as QB3, so get some use out of him. He knows the system, seems smart enough to pick up any new nuisances of the offense relatively quickly where he can also practice holding and placement of FG's.
Outside of the points of change in practice times precipitating QB's no longer doing that role league wide, Matt Barkley won't be on the 53.
We'll carry Josh and Keenum on the 53. Barkley will be on the Practice Squad, taking over Davis Webb's role last season.
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3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:
Is this why the Bills are holding out hope for Cody Ford?
That and he was an even bigger investment than Epenesa and Basham were. We spent a top 10 pick in the 2nd Round and a 5th Round pick to trade up for him. These types of investments are going to get at least 3 years of development.
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
Why would we bring in Saffold when Cody ford could still breakout?
It’s time for Hodgins to have his breakout season, why would we stunt his growth by signing crowder?
Why bring in quessenberry when Doyle is developing. He’ll be losing valuable reps!
Why draft James Cook? Zack Moss is entering year 3. He’s losing valuable reps!
answer: because we’re trying to win a super bowl….not JUST develop players.
There are obvious reasons for him to return. There are obvious reason for them to move on. Yet we have people here saying that it makes no sense for either the Bills or Jerry…… and that couldn’t be more wrong. There are obvious reasons for both sides. Whather or not it happens is a different story.
Exaggeration much? You are comparing apples to oranges here. We also brought in Von Miller at Edge with these guys on the roster.
I'm not advocating these guys should have started. But you've already decided they're "JAGs" after a season and a half of Epenesa and 8 games of Basham. You're arguing they should not only not start, they shouldn't even be given rotational reps AT ALL, possibly sacrificing the future for a guy who has none - while also comparing 2nd Round investments to 5th and 7th Rounders 🙄
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17 minutes ago, mrags said:
Epenesa hasn’t shown a single thing other than losing too much weight in the off-seasons. Imo, he’ll be lucky to not be outright cut this summer.
youve made your argument completely clear. Nobody is having a hard time trying to find out what you are talking about. We just think you have no idea what your talking about.
Epenesa has played 2 years. You know who was considered a total bust after 3 years and given away for essentially a bag of balls? Jerry Hughes.
I don't know that Epenesa or Basham will become great or not. And neither do you. The only way to know is for them to at least get rotational reps. You'd have us not do that and give up on Epenesa before the Colts gave up on Hughes.
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29 minutes ago, mrags said:
It’s laughable the people think Epenesa or Basham are better than Hughes right now. I don’t agree that he’s better than Lawson because I think Shaq is actually a pretty solid DE. Especially against the run.
The even more laughable argument is they are likely going to keep 10 DL on the roster. And that could easily include Hughes and not sacrifice the futures of anyone at this point.
phillips
oliver
settle
jones
miller
rousseau
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lawson
hughes
boom. I just settled it. We keep all these guys. If anyone thinks Mike Love, Eli Ankou, or Brandin Bryant is currently better than Hughes to be our 10th DL on the roster, you don’t have any business ever talking football with anyone ever again. You are awarded no points, we are all dumber for having listened to your argument.
k bye
You are completely missing the point. It's not about Hughes v. Epenesa and Basham last season. It's not about who's viewed as better right this second by message board fans. It's about development. It's about investment. It's about what could be and finding out whether they can or can't.
We know what Jerry Hughes is. He's not getting better. If you think he's the same guy he was 4 or 5 years ago or isn't actively declining - you're fooling yourself. After a half of a season with Basham and 2 seasons of Epenesa - we don't know what they could become in their 2nd or 3rd years. Especially along Von Miller and DaQuan Jones in place of Hughes and Lotulelei/Phillips with Kaiir Elam behind them in place of Levi Wallace.
And just disregarding them and burying them on the depth chart will hamper their development into what they can be. They aren't chalking those picks up as lost causes and it would be foolhardy to do so. There's still time and room to grow. That doesn't exist with Jerry Hughes at this point in his career. They were Drafted in large part because of Hughes age and decline in play. The lack of pass rush that he was providing. We must try to develop them and see what they can or cannot become. We spent 2 2nd Round picks on them. You have to be more patient than taking important reps away from them in years 2 and 3.
And your idea of keeping 6 DE's - we won't be dressing 6. So one player will be barely used if at all as the 5th and one won't dress as the 6th. We'll also need to carry an extra CB on the roster with White's injury to start the season. Possibly an extra Lineman with Boettger's. And possibly another TE with Howard surely getting more usage as the #2 than Sweeney did. I'd be surprised if we kept 6 DE's again.
You're oversimplifying matters that aren't as simple as you'd like them to be.
"k bye"
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57 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Which stats do you speak of? Pass rush win rate? Hurries? Pff rating? No? Not those stats….. they don’t support your claim. Rousseau is better vs the run. Jerry is a better pass rusher.
Rousseau is still on the rise while Jerry is almost done. This isn’t even part of the conversation.
Jerry being better than Epenesa, Basham and Shaq should be part of the conversation Beane is having with McD. Between his pass rush abilities and his locker room presence….he brings MUCH more to the table than those 3 guys and would be an asset….regardless of what you are posturing. You know Jerry is better than all 3.
Sacks and Tackles. The stats that actually matter. I'm laughing at a .9 differential in PFF rate as an argument point. Hurries and Win Rate are great, but not when you can't get the sack which has been the story of Hughes for the past couple years now. It's why we've been drafting Ends and ultimately decided to bring in a guy like Von Miller.
I'm not "posturing" anything. I DON'T know that 34 year old Hughes can be better than what Basham or Epenesa can be this season. And you don't know that either. They're 23 and 24 respectively. We've seen two full seasons of Epenesa. Guys can be late bloomers. You know who was a late bloomer? Jerry Hughes.
Basham has a total of 8 games under his belt. You're ready to say you know who someone is and can be after 8 games? C'mon dude.
We spent back to back 2nd Round picks on these guys. At the very least, we have to let them get rotational work and experience to see what they can or cannot become. You don't invest what we've invested in them and not use them or allow them to get experience as rotational pieces.
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Buffalo Bills: Embedded - Exclusives from the 2022 NFL Draft
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by BillsFanForever19
They featured the guys who will definitely be on the roster. The Day 3 guys didn't get flown in and interviewed like the Day 1 and Day 2 picks. So they didn't have as much footage with them.
The last 3 picks that weren't featured - Christian Benford, Luke Tenuta, and Baylon Spector are going to be in an uphill battle to make the 53.
I think Benford's going to have to beat out Cam Lewis, Tenuta's going to have to beat out Tommy Doyle, and Spector's going to have to beat out Marquel Lee and Andre Smith (if they even keep a 6th LB at all).