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12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Well your owner isn't exactly able to play the kind of games the mega wealthy owners are. We had the same situation for years with Ralph.
We never restructure, and very very rarely offer multi-year guarantees which has cost us numerous free agents. Mike Brown is on his last leg and we have been improving the last couple of years with him backing off, however even when he is gone we will still be the least wealthiest club and very limited.-
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11 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:
My point is that Moe Eggar was laughing out loud at the Bills for drafting Allen the same year that the Bengals took draft bust Price. I know this because i heard it all on my drive from Finneytown to Oxford.
And? Did you miss the part in which I said we sucked a$$ for multiple years in the draft? Price was just one of many. Im trashing the Benglas and you are still trying to be ***** with me? -
27 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:
Listen, I know that your team won on Sunday, but I have a name for you. Billy Price.
Im not sure of your intentions with this comment? Billy Price was the backup center we traded for BJ Hill who was also a backup. Price was just one of many horrible draft picks we had for about a decade. My comment was in response to Ed's statements regarding "fire sale" trades, which a smart team would have done, but that wasn't us. -
18 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
The other thing that hurt the Bills is they were never quite the train wreck that the Bengals were. Going back to 2010 the Bills never won less than 6 games a year meanwhile the Bengals never won more than 6 games going back to 2015 so they had better draft picks for a few years prior. Prior to that the Bengals had a few good years so wouldn't also surprise me that they had made some "fire sale" trades in 2016 and 17 once they realized they sucked and acquired more draft picks. Chargers too were more up and down so had some better draft picks some years too.
Bengals very rarely trade. They had a preseason trade a couple years ago for BJ Hill who was a backup for a backup center. We have had only 2 in-season trades in the last 50 years, both players were upset and demanded trades; Dunlap & Palmer.
The Benglas value draft choices more than gold, despite the fact that for 12 seasons prior to Burrow the drafting was pathetically awful. The Bengals disdain for trades is mind-numing pathetic to their fanbase. We could have used a RB, DT and TE.... we made no calls, took no calls while Beane picked up all 3. Fans are less vocal the last couple of seasons because of the current success, but for decades prior we experienced nonstop criminally bad front office and ownership decisions. -
13 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
There are a lot of things that factor into being an elite QB. One of which (and maybe the most important) is the COMMITMENT to being elite.
I panned people last off season for making too much of Josh's schedule after the season ended. Be it making 100 commercials, vacations, celebrity golf tournaments, public appearances with the celebrity new girlfriend...we sure saw a LOT of Josh. You know what I don't remember seeing? The yearly photos and videos of him working with Jordan Palmer. Any workouts being hosted by our QB with the receivers. You know, football stuff. I'm starting to feel there's something to all that.
Flip the script, and look at Burrow. Never left town after the Bengals playoff loss. Didn't go on vacation, as a matter of fact was in the facility the next day. Worked all off season. Doesn't spend his time in front of cameras selling Pepsi. And as a young QB, already in one Super Bowl and baby faced looks...you KNOW companies would kill to have him as a spokesperson.
Now I don't begrudge Allen for any of his choices. It's his life, you only get one and you should do what you want. But don't be shocked when those that put in the work supersede you. They earned it.
Burrow is likely a one-off. He is 26 years old, goes to bed at 8pm, never eats sugar or processed foods, no alcohol. He doesn't meet with family or friends the night before or day of a game. He has done some marketing but turns a lot down.
Many think Burrow is one of the best processors and he is very accurate as he lives for reps, like thousands. That said Burrow will never have Allen's natural ability, his arm, running, raw power are elite. Josh obviously needs to clean up some pre-snap and recognition issues but he has all the potential in the world.
As always Zac Taylor went conservative in the 2nd half and the Bills D impressively stood up, Bengals fans were very aware that Allen has the tools to have come back regardless of the time on the clock.-
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16 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:
It will be a different game. I suspect similar to the Fins game McD will have his best plan.
For starters the rush game. I think MCDermott wants to not give up 172 yards on the ground. I expect Mixon will get roughed up. He came into the week with a chest injury I expect the Bills will be extremely violent along the line of scrimmage similar to how they played Tennessee last year.
After making the Bengals one dimensional McDermott will go into his Rolodex of pressures from everywhere. Burrow is tough, but he isn’t elusive as an Mahomes, as evidenced by his career 7.3% sack rate on drop backs.
Taking away Burrows primary read (Chase) look at the stats Chase has nearly 1/2 the targets / receiving yards, will be the Bengals downfall.
Interesting, I appreciate the takes.
We are already one dimensional. We throw the ball.
I do not think a major plan to stop the run is the best idea. We pass, pass, and pass to set up the run. If we have a lead Zac will become too conservative and run it too much in the 2nd half.
Burrow has his own theory regarding sacks. 3rd down and not in FG range he will hold it forever in order to try and make a play. He has no problem taking a sack, but he is more elusive than many think despite all the obviously ignored highlight worthy escapes he has had.
Higgins has had a rib injury the last few weeks, he was apparently close to 100% the 49ers game. He is a good WR, not a great one. He is better than Gabe but Tee doesnt have the quicks. He needs to do a better job of not disappearing and he hasnt been good on 50-50 balls which used to be 80-20. Boyd may be starting to lose a step, but he still has excellent hands. We have had zero production from the TE room. All of this added to the immense trust Joe has in Chase is reason for his high production.
That said, taking away Chase is about as easy as taking away Diggs, easier said than done.
I have no doubt that the Bills will have a much better game plan this time for the Benglas. -
2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:
Rewatching the playoff game last night and saw a lot of Joe Burrow climbing the pocket. Our edge rushers simply over pursued upfield leaving huge gaps for Burrow to climb the pocket and deliver accurate 2nd window throws to Chase, Hurst, Higgins.
My guess is McDermott will have a plan in place to rush tighter or collapse the interior pocket, either through running stunts, or sending delayed pressure from Bernard, Johnson, or Poyer.
Am I wrong in stating that Leslie practically made zero changes to the Bills defense? It seemed to be a basic zone the entire game. There is a lot of talk around the Bengals that film from that game is going to be no help as McDermott will be dialing up a wide variety of looks. I can say that we do not do very well when a ton of guys are in the box and tight man coverage. Our oline is doing better communicating but stunts & delayed pressure has been an issue. Of course there is a risk in playing that way too much but it has been a problem at times.
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8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I don't think it's just that he's won a Superbowl.
Burrow seems to be more of a system QB, by which I mean nothing negative, just that he's shown he can play effectively and consistently within the structure of the offensive play design (system), take advantage of his elite weapons, and effectively use what the defense gives him. And he does have 3 elite receiving weapons and the support of a strong run game.
Allen to date has at times played within the structure of the offensive play design and taken advantage of what the defense gives him, but he also goes outside the playbook and creates when he doesn't have to at times. This is a double edged sword. He can be brilliant, and he can also contribute majorly to the loss of the game. I think both to elevate his game to the next level, AND to be perceived as a top QB, Allen needs to show mastery of operating within the structure of the offense on a more consistent basis.
Great points. I can share that Bengals and KC fans go back and forth with the, "If Pat had Chase, Higgins, Boyd...", and we reply if, "Joe went to a playoff team out of college, a solid org with money, HOF TE Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and Andy Reid...."
But there is no retort when it comes to Josh, he hasnt had a bevy of weapons, Daboll was really solid but no Andy Reid & the current OC is a still a question mark. The Bills are a better overall org than Cincy, but Josh came from a community college and Wyoming whereas Joe learned at Ohio State and LSU.
When it comes to opportunities given, Josh has risen so much higher with less than almost every QB.-
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Uhhh what? Did you you type the last part wrong?
Im a Bengals fan Warrior. I'd love to see Norman instead of Benford or Rasul vs our offense. Im sure you may disagree. -
12 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
Josh Norman elevated for tmrws game.
per bills app
Is Benford expected to play? I have no idea of his advanced stats but he looks very good in the games Ive watched.
Are you guys expecting him Rasul to play much? He is not very fast but he is a big strong body, he would be tough for us vs Tee Higgins, who himself is not very fast.
I definitely prefer Norman over either of these guys.... thanks in advance for any info. -
12 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:
Good teams win at home and on the road.
This is true, as a Bengals fan I usually complain about KC as much as possible. They seem to catch every single "break"... be it true or not. -
1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
Why do you feel Joe Burrow requires "a pass" on his performance?
Other QB have started the season slowly, perhaps due to lingering injury (Mahomes at the start of 2021)
Other QB have been injured during the season and played through it, slowing them down (Josh in mid-2020, end of 2022, now)
Do they get a pass, or do they get "he's in a slump" or "see, he's not that good" or yes, maybe "off to a slow start"?
I think any player, especially QB, gets a pass playing hurt. I defended Allen and Herbert last season. I may be alone in this thought but in order to play QB well any injury is going to impact every aspect of their game.
34 minutes ago, bills742 said:
Eli Apple is not a Bengals fan nor is he on the team, and many Bengals fans chastised him many times. We dont miss the guy. Im not harping on the Bills because McKenzie made some strange comment about playing in the snow.
28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:Josh has been bad mentally in several games, starting with the opener at the Jets.
You would know much better than me, the redzone turnovers last season were just so bad, I havent seen him have any of those. I did watch the Jets game and his play cost you guys. But from an outsides point of view he seems more under control this season thus far. -
1 minute ago, NewEra said:
Until he doesn’t start slow- he’s a slow starter. Don’t get hurt next summer and start poorly Joe Cool. Then you won’t be labeled a slow starter.
It’s not fair that Josh Allen isn’t recognized as the best QB in football. He never had Andy Reid, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill. He’s never had talent like Chase, Higgins, Mixon and Boyd. He’s not on a loaded offenses like Philly and San Fran. His team has suffered massive injuries to the best defenders on each of the last 3 teams.
He’ll never be the best until he wins a Super Bowl. No one cares WHY he didn’t didn’t one. No one cares about 13 secs. No one cares about injuries to von, hyde, daquan, ed. no one cares about injuries to Milano, daquan and Tredavious. No one cares. Reasons. Excuses. Whichever you wanna call them. No one cares. If he wins a Super Bowl, some will think Josh will be the best. If he doesn’t get hurt in the summer and starts strong, he won’t be regarded as a slow starter.
ps- I remember you- spreading lies on the bengals board last year- Exaggerating everything you tattled about like a 3 year old. You were so proud.
Lol, you struggle. And yes if Burrow is injured it is weird to call him a slow starter. You like to get in pissy battles for some reason, but allow me to agree with you on one thing:
I totally agree that Josh has had the least amount of support. I agree that Josh is leaned upon more than Mahomes and Burrow. I like Josh, I love his game. He is not as "dynamic" as Mahomes who has done some crazy stuff, he is not as accurate or good a processor as Burrow, but he can do things both of those cannot do. Only Herbert can come close to Josh's cannon arm, he is unmatched as to his overall strength - especially in the pocket, and his running is top tier albeit different than Lamar.
I have always thought if Josh could stop making so many dumb mistakes he would be QB1, but this year he hasnt been bad mentally, it is obvious the Bills simply need to get him another weapon. Mahomes was won too much to be unseated for now, Burrow and Allen are both great in different ways with the season results being the only differentiator in most peoples eyes.
Kelce doesnt have much longer and Reid may not either, I would not be surprised to see Josh take the throne, especially if the Bills win a Super Bowl. You like many others on Twitter are personally offended by QB rankings. But the truth of the matter is that Josh is Top 3 in most everyone's mind and could easily rise to QB1 overall and I would not be surprised.-
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Just now, Johnnycage46 said:
Jealous of the Bengals recent success? I don't think Bills fans are Jealous of the Bengals (could be wrong though). The Bills have been one of the winningest teams since 2020. The Bengals have a SB appearance, but lost (Bills fans have been there done that times 4).
You may be right, but Im not sure how else to explain the current vitriol the last 2 years towards Cincy by Bills fans? Obviously much more on social media, mostly Twitter. This has been a topic of ours a few times wondering why some Bills fans have done a 180 and acted like the awful individual here.
We are honestly like... "I thought our fanbases liked each other?"Just now, MikePJ76 said:Absolutely effing not. Not ever.
and as far as cincy goes, That area with the three stadiums on the water is pretty awesome. I drive back and forth from North Texas to Central NY once or Twice every year and that is a cool area....the traffic backing up when you are heading north across the bridge from kentucky sucks however.
looks like a fun place to go to a game. I really would like to stop one of these years when the reds are home and go to a game.
I dont live in Cincy but there often, the bridge traffic is horrendous. When the Reds are actually good their game day experience is extremely well done. I attended a few during their mini win streak this summer.
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Just now, 26TrapDraw said:
Nope he’s just marking the Trolls for the rest of us.
Gotcha, in all my years of posting on message boards I can tell you that not once have I read a Benglas fan trash the city of Buffalo and ALL the people that live there, much less an entire state like that. Interesting to see that you condone this.
Bengals beat the Ravens for Buffalo, rooted for the Bills in the playoffs thereafter, and Cincy totally respected the Hamlin incident. Trash like that simply reeks of jealousy and childish anger due to the Bengals current success, IMHO. You guys stay classy and do you. -
13 minutes ago, boyst said:
I have been keeping tabs on this and surprised so many here hate the Bengals. I don't. They'll be irrelevant in 2 years when they can't afford and won't pay anyone. They're just a pimple, they won't be around forever.
However, the city of Cincinnati is loathed. They're so freaking trashy there. They have one entity which props up the entire city, Proctor and Gamble and then they have the mafia to help inflate everything (the IRS). They don't have much pride, always wishing they were as cool as even Cleveland or crying about the shadow of the Cbus. Hell, Cincinnati is just Lorain with more people.
Anyone I have met from Cinci might as well be a hillbilly from Kentucky. They have more in common with those folks than what is truly the heart of America.
So this is a true representative of Bills Mafia?
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Ok, which one of you guys is this gentleman? Even as a Bengals fan I had to watch the entire song, he is really good.
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7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
What saves your defense is turnovers. You give up a lot of yards but get a lot of turnovers. Our Defense has been like that... let the other team keep driving the whole field for a lot of yards but then either get a turnover before the score or stop the TD and make them kick fgs. Thats what your D is right now I think, but I haven't watched too many Bengals games.
Our defense has ALWAYS given up yards. 2021 and 2022 as well, it is a Lou thing, "only points matter, not yards".
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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:
I mean other QB's start the season injured. Other QB's don't throw 4 INTs in a game or throw for 82 yards.
He was awful, but again they had just removed a bag from his body. Seriously, it was quite evident to the most novice fan.56 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:I feel genuinely curious and confused why you’d choose to come here to do that instead of a bengals board.
Threated? Offended? These are the kind of comments that lead people to determine you’re crusading.
Talk ball all ya want. Finding a respectful tone while visiting an opposing teams board is free.
Why do you ask such bizarre questions? Why do you care? Why can you not accept that fans of a team have better insight and fans of others enjoy learning and sharing?
Feel free to ignore me, Im not here to troll, but Im not here to answer stupid personal questions from emotionally unstable people either (I'm assuming that your name is a direct correlation....?)-
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1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
Serious question: is there a bengals forum you use that has a similar thread? I’m curious why you choose to bring your crusade here, especially on game day, if there is an alternative?
That was a joke. Please read the other comments. Im not on a crusade. Why do you feel... I dont know the right word.... offended or threatened? We're just talking ball.
4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:I never understood other team fans that come on here to chat. I don't get Bills fans going on other teams board to chat either. This almost never can or will come from a place of civility. It mostly ends up in trolling silliness.
Fans like to have more info on the other team and talk ball with other fans, I really enjoy talking with other fans when I attend away games. You be you though.
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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
It’s really stupid to say that Burrow starts slow just because……he starts slow?
@Big Turksaid “until he proves otherwise”. Sure, he’s always injured, but he’s always starting slow. As a fan it gets you mad for w/e reason. Talk to Joe, tell him not to get hurt next summer and play well to start the season. Then, and only then, will his narrative chance. That’s how you change narratives……not by saying this is dumb.
I do think his injuries have played a part in his poor starts- but until he doesn’t start slow, he’s a slow starter
2021 Guy cant do sprints due to ACL MCL PCL reconstructions.
2022 Guy had major surgery and lost 20 pounds immediately before the season. Josh could lose 20 pounds and likely not be impacted that much, but not Joe.
2023 Guy missed the entirety of the preseason, which is kind of important for a QB. The offense was limited to 40% of the play book. He couldnt plant and throw, couldnt move at all. This is more of a critique of our pathetic backup QB room, to go along with the worst TE and RB rooms.
I think it only makes sense to informed ball knowing folks to see him start a season healthy first before making this claim, but you be you.
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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
We’re you posting on other teams boards before losses?
I always talk with AFCN fanbases. I did chat with Niners fans last week.
Interesting question, I'm not trolling btw, calm down. -
1 minute ago, I Am The Liquor said:
If you think this is bad, you should def go in the game day thread and feel the absolute misery and brutality. GO BILLS!!!
I was joking but my man. We have the same group on our game day that never post on the board but show up every single game and it is pathetically stupid.
If the opponent gets a 1st down - our "defense is the worst in history", "fire Lou", if we have to punt in the 1st Qtr, "we are definitely losing this game".
I think I would rather be here, in no way could it be worse than ours. Our idiots out idiot anyone elses.7 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:Trust me man. I'm not upset in the least. It's just been a talking point and was fresh on my mind. I would love nothing more than to talk Xs and Os because truly there is a lot better things than whatever it is we're going back and forth about. I say truce. Lol
For sure my man.
Question: If Benford doesnt play that obviously forces Rasul into the lineup, how thin does that make your CB room?-
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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Yes because the Bengals are known for the dynamic innovation on the offensive side of the ball.
It’s not like Chris Simms or other national media members have pointed out their static offense.
I look silly, coming from a Bengals fan on Bills message board who, shock, wasn’t posting here in Weeks 1-4, but sure is now.
And please, I had to shut off Dan Hoard and Dave Lapham on Bengals Pep Rally at Wings and Rings this afternoon.
I have already complained on this Board about our offensive scheme patheticness, but that has nothing to do with the limited playbook we were using.
I have no reason to post on here Weeks 1-4, it was not our mutual game week.
Hoard and Lap are tremendous homers, I can barely listen to them. If you ever do listen again, pay attention to Lap asking a question about anything, ie: "Joe Burrow looked good didnt he?", Lap always answers the question prior to whomever can reply... "I mean Burrow was 19-19 to start the game, and he avoided sacks, and ran those draw plays, and he threw for 3 TDs, man he looked good didnt he?" Our local media is kind of annoying minus a couple guys.
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We refuse to trade picks away and we dont trade for picks, it is absurd. You are correct in 2018 we did a pick swap with Buffalo, 12 for 21 in the 1st Round. The Bengals also gained a 5th on that trade and Cordy Glenn. With the #21 pick we selected Billy Price. Glenn and & Price were both awful for the Bengals.
I think the Bills actually traded the #12 they received from Cincy to Tampa to move up and acquire Josh? Did you guys also get Edmunds in the 1st Round that year too? That is a lot of wheeling and dealing I will never see from my team.