Joe Ferguson forever

were you concerned about trump?

Do you think it's appropriate for the president to even attempt to pressure the fed chair?? Why try if it can have no effect. Ho3 do you know Powell wasn't feeling threatened? As I recall, trump threatened to replace him. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/22/trump-reportedly-wants-to-fire-fed-chair-powell.html The report said the Trump’s advisers have warned him against such a move, which has never been done by a president and it’s not even clear whether he has the legal authority to do so. White House and Fed spokespeople declined to comment to Bloomberg. But Trump has already broken with precedent through his repeated criticism in the second half of this year of the Fed and the chairman to the press and via Twitter, including this week before the central bank hiked rates. Other presidents privately tried to influence the Fed, but none did so in such a public and forceful matter. on the Issue of covid info timing that cali guy brought up, this timeline is interesting https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses

what is Joe accused of? What evidence is there?

not nobody, no how! lot's of insiders knew about it including Sen Burr and others who profited from the pandemic after a closed meeting in Jan 2020. The CNBC article about the interest rate decreased (not raised, dummy) by the fed was Sept 2019. Is it possible trump knew the covid intelligence ahead of Burr? Bur said at the time that a framework was in place to address the pandemic. How long doe you think it took to develop that (terrible framework)?rDo you think trump may have been briefed substantially earlier than Burr? The fact that you got wrong the direction of the rate change trump pressured the fed for nullifies everything you just typed On January 24, 2020, the Senate Committees on Health and Foreign Relations held a closed meeting with only Senators present to brief them about the COVID-19 outbreak and how it would affect the United States.[2][3] Following the meeting Senator Kelly Loeffler and her husband Jeffrey Sprecher, the chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, made twenty-seven transactions to sell stock worth between $1,275,000 and $3,100,000 and two transactions to buy stock in Citrix Systems which saw an increase following the correction.[2] Senator David Perdue made a series of 112 transactions with stocks sold for around $825,000 and bought stocks worth $1.8 million. Perdue started buying around $185,000 in stock in DuPont, a company that makes personal protective equipment, on the same day as the Senate briefing up to March 2.[4][5] Additionally, John Hoeven of North Dakota purchased $250,000 in health science companies in January, five days after attending a briefing about the pandemic.[6] On January 31 and February 18, Dianne Feinstein sold stock in Allogene Therapeutics, with the estimated value to be between $1.5 million and $6 million.[7] According to Feinstein, the investment decisions are made by her husband, and are reported by her per Senate rules. She states that “this company is unrelated to any work on the coronavirus and the sale was unrelated to the situation.”[8] Feinstein also reportedly provided documents to the FBI related to her husband's transactions, in order to show that she had no connection to the decision.[9] On February 7, Senator Burr, the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, stated in an open-editorial on how the government could respond to coronavirus that "Luckily, we have a framework in place that has put us in a better position than any other country to respond to a public health threat, like the coronavirus," However, on February 13, he and his wife sold between $628,000 and $1.7 million worth of stock through thirty-three transactions and on February 27, Burr stated that "There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," at a Capitol Hill Club luncheon and his statement was later leaked in a secret recording.[10][11

I don't know how many times we liberals need to tell you, prosecute the hell out of him. we r all for it. but what if the payment from kushner to the Saudi's was US secrets?

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/

nope. what did the Saudi's get in return? why did kushner get a top security clearance and use it to frequently access documents? the link was posted here earlier by billsy, I believe.

Then i think it's reasonable to ask posters opinions on it. Especially when stuff like this happens. Palin is not the only R pol calling for civil war. Madison Cawthorn did. Michigan fake electors did. Paul Gosar has. A Georgia congressman has. Bannon has. It's a legitimate concern and people whose job it is to study these things believe it's very possible. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/25/sarah-palin-us-civil-war-donald-trump-prosecutions Barbara F Walter, author of How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them and a CIA advisor, has written: “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war.” But “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America – the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or Ivory Coast or Venezuela – you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely. “And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

So you feel it's justifiable?

Are you for civil war. Almost no one here has answered. But many have defended the insurrectionists...

Nope. Specifically Kushner, Mnuchin are bad. since you likely didn't even look at the piece, here's the beginning. lots more juicy corrupt details follow. "...right mind would give the former first son-in-law a dime. Among other concerns, the panel noted that management was “inexperience[d],” that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk,” that its fee seemed “excessive,” and that the firm’s operations were “unsatisfactory in all aspects.” Given those reservations, it warned that the country’s Public Investment Fund should stay far, far away from Kushner’s firm—a recommendation that was overturned by the fund’s board, which happens to be led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, i.e., the guy who approved a plan to kidnap, kill, and dismember a journalist via bone saw and benefited from Kushner’s unwavering support within the White House and reported insistence that the prince could “survive the outrage just as he [had] weathered past criticism.” (Again, just so it‘s abundantly clear, the “outrage” and “criticism” were over a Saudi dissident and U.S. resident being chopped up into pieces.)

Yes, tell that to Sherpa and Cali dude. I don't recall Biden overtly trying to influence the Fed. Which was my point.

Perhaps this piece will give you some insight. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia

trump pressured Powell for months and then he lowered rates. So there's that...Interesting that your example was another R who overstepped his intended power...

MAGA's need villains to blame for their problems. It's just part of their psyche...

Gonna cheat people out of votes regardless of what SCOTUS says. comments? https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/alabama-gop-congressional-map-black-voting

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/18/trump-says-powell-and-the-fed-fail-again-have-no-guts-no-sense-no-vision.html Apparently trump was unaware or ignored that fact. "The decision to cut rates follows a monthslong pressure campaign by Trump, who often criticized Powell by name as he complained that the current interest levels put the U.S. at an economic disadvantage to countries with lower rates." Was this ok with you? Ya think lowering rates might have had an effect on inflation back then or later?

He stayed out of the Feds way, unlike his predecessor exactly...then they went to shite

because shutting down the gov't will fix all these problems....

It's not that complicated. omit everything that doesn't come from a peer reviewed scientific journal. Same for Climate change.

That's what I thought. The economy was a mess when Biden took over from trump. He's improved it significantly. And just what specifically are you an expert on?

What would you have done differently?

It's what happens when interest rates rise to battle inflation. What would you have done differently?

After the massive spending on covid, massive spending on the proxy war in Ukraine (which is necessary) and oil producers including Russia, squeezing us, a recession was very likely. Now it's a 15% chance per Goldman. Very Good News indeed.

If he weren't so dumb, I'd think he was a Russian troll.