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11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:
Agree with that logic. However, I ask will the rookie be any worse than Edmunds? There's a realistic chance he might be better.
Also, I don't think the Bills can get a second round pick for Edmunds. More likely a 3rd round pick.
Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.
In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.
FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.
If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?
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7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:
Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is.
You seem like you're pretty young.
7 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:So then tell me exactly what happened to cause this so we can fix it.
Oh wait - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT - you can’t fix it without understanding the situation and you can’t understand it if you keep making up situations that do not fit the data.
Let them do their job and then we can assess what happened and if a fix is needed. Sometimes a bad decision is a bad decision and sometimes it feels like the only decision in a given situation. Just wait for the facts.
3 hours ago, Process said:I promise you that you are not going to solve the why or the how from behind a keyboard. More details will come out eventually. Right now we have almost none, so speculating about what happened, or imagining what it would be like if Allen died, is beyond pointless.
You guys are 100% correct... knowing what caused Haskins' death won't fix anything.
People still pull out of the mall parking lot with their baby in the infant carrier on the car roof.
People still leave their pets in the car with the windows closed on 90 degree days.
Knowing what caused Haskins' death won't save a single life. That's not how the world works. I'm sure he was told as a kid to look both ways before he crossed the street.
2 hours ago, NoSaint said:I think his age may be very relevant as I’ve seen commentary that he’s been in substantial mental decline.
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3 hours ago, Motorin' said:
Why don't people know what the word "and" means?
Bills fans, tell us you didn't read the whole article without telling us.
Apparently the idea of a remark being "tongue in cheek" is being missed by some.
Of course Howard knew Allen was the Bills QB, the Bills played the Bucs in an epic OT struggle in week 13.
However I'm not sure why he had to "look at it on paper" as far as judging how good a team the Bills are.
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4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:
Money versus WAR goes out the window at this point - he is a 30+ year old defender - his so called WAR for this year might be a net loss, but the reality is come the next couple of years he becomes a negative player that you are tied to.
I think WAR is still relevant... as you suggest the Bills should be predicting his current WAR and the future WAR for any years they might extend him.
4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:In addition - you say people are trying to “save Pegula from spending his money”. No one is advocating that - heck even the Pegula’s have shown their willingness to spend money.
"No one is advocating?" You're speaking for others. Anyone who says Poyer's not worth the money but who doesn't propose where that money should be re-allocated is in a savings mentality and not a spending mentality. Those people (whether they know it or not) are concerned about saving Pegula money for some hypothetical future.
4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:What would the “WAR” be if you traded Poyer (-1 from your early discussion), but they used that freed up 9+ million from Poyer as part of a trade to get Bradberry or as money to sign Gilmore or even do both (a significantly higher positive WAR based on position importance and strength).
I addressed that already... see below at the end.
4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:At this point - I think a quality veteran CB - especially if younger - gives you better WAR return than Safety - especially in this system.
Their evaluation should be based upon where do we see him as a plus versus minus player and with that money and trade - what can we replace him with. If Poyer is willing to play out the contract and not be a distraction - great. If you can get a very team friendly deal with money up front and reducing the CAP hit this year and next, but with outs as he approaches his mid 30’s then great. If he is not willing to do either or both - then look for ways to move on that get you better now and in the future.
We're not disagreeing. You're just adding more factors to the WAR discussion.
4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:The worst thing you can do is give him a nice extension and tick off a different veteran like Hyde. The Miller and Diggs deal set off Poyer - does a Poyer deal set off Hyde or Knox? At some point - someone goes - make sure you are losing older - easier to replace players rather than younger more talented players.
Who's to say anyone is ticked off? That's presumptuous. Don't you think it's possible that Hyde (being a close friend) would be happy for Poyer? It seems that players are generally happy when a teammate "gets paid." Also, when you say "nice extension" do you mean a fair extension or do you mean overpaying?
Look, of course they can't pay everyone but that doesn't mean a fair deal which satisfies everyone is not possible.
13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:As you say, if the Bills can spend that money elsewhere and it has a better overall impact than spending that money on Poyer, then it's worth it.
However if people want to save the money just to have it handy for "someone else later," that's more questionable because in that scenario you're not using the money to improve the team.
And it's important to keep in mind that this is supposed to be a Super Bowl or bust season.
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The "Face of the Franchise" is getting wrinkles...
Happy Birthday Isaiah!
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4 hours ago, intimidatortj said:
Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott collaborate on the Draft. As they should.
Below is a quick overview of "McBeane"'s draft tendencies. Much of this I lifted from Joe Marino of TheDraftNetwork. Thanks Joe.NOTE These are tendencies, not absolutes, and not necessarily about the 1st round.
A) Since McBeane has been in Buffalo, they have made 37 draft picks.
12 of them were players from the ACC. 12. TENDENCY = ACC
5 from the AAC (Houston, Cinncy, UCF...)
4 from FCS schools (Weber St, Jacksonville St...)
4 SEC (4 out of 37 is a low % for the NFL)
3 PAC 12
2 BIG 12
2 BIG 10
1 Conference USA
1 Sunbelt
1 Mountain West
B) Brandon Beane has traded down only once while in Buffalo. From the 6th round, down into the 7th.
While McBeane has traded up numerous times. TENDENCY = trade upC) Senior Bowl. 20 of the 37 picks played in the Senior Bowl TENDENCY = Senior Bowl players
D) Combine. 36 out of 37 draft picks were combine participants. TENDENCY = not at the combine? not likely
E) 6 of the 1st & 2nd round picks have been "Premier Positions", i.e. QB, DL, OT, TENDENCY = Rd 1 & 2 Premier Positions
They don't prioritize positions like Running Back, Tight End, Center, etc in the first 2 rounds.F) Pre-Draft Visits (when a prospect comes to Buffalo OR the Bills go to their college for a private workout).
A large % of draft picks have been Pre-Draft Visitors. TENDENCY = Pre-Draft Visitors
IN Summary. If your favorite prospect played in the Senior Bowl, was invited to the Combine, is from the ACC and is a Pre-Draft Visitor, you are probably in luck!
Lastly, sometimes the reason the Bills don't draft a prospect is because another team ahead of Buffalo drafts him first.Great work, thank you.
In the other thread it was mentioned that in the last two years the Bills have only drafted one player who was in their Top 30 visits. I'm not sure if that is accurate but it definitely doesn't align with your point F).
2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:Interesting thought. To extrapolate further McD seems comfortable sitting guys for long stretches until they are ready to play. So it seems to fit your narrative that maybe they look for guys that have more upside that has not been fully seen yet.
The counter to this thought would be Epenesa who looks like he peaked a long time ago.
Hmmm it seems to me that many more of the Bills high draft picks have played immediately than have been brought along slowly.
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14 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
I interpreted that differently. My thoughts were initially he was looking at teams that needed a starting TE. He knew Buffalo seemed to be happy with Knox, so no real interest. Once he figured out he wasn't either getting interest or a contract at a level for a starting TE, he decided to look at teams where he may not be the starter, but a good passing offense, Add in Buffalo did not a 2nd TE and he was able to get a one year prove it type contract, made it a potential good fit.
14 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:That’s kinda the way I saw it he wanted to go places where he could be the number 1. When no one offered he started to look around the league at teams where he could get a bunch of catches and kinda prove himself for a run at free agency next year and he picked Buffalo.
It does make it sound like he had no idea Buffalo existed but that’s more he not being the most articulate guy on the planet.11 hours ago, Don Otreply said:I can see that, valid view point,
I would add that with his injury circumstance, and not getting #1 TE snaps, it seems a bit of a reach for him to expect a #1 TE contract from a team, but that’s just me I guess,
I agree that if Howard had a "I want to be a starter mentality" at the beginning of free agency it shows a stunning lack of awareness of his own market value.
Then again if he didn't know Josh played on the Bills this would make more sense.
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42 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:
The problem with characterizing Haskins as "troubled" is because that claim is pretty arbitrary, subjective and arguably negative. Consider one could also write: "Haskins was a very accomplished young man who set both Big Ten and Ohio State records for passing yards, total offense, and touchdowns. He was named the MVP of the 2019 Rose Bowl as well as that year's Big Ten Championship game and was drafted 15th overall that year. At the time of his death Haskins was preparing to compete for the Steelers starting QB position."
3 minutes ago, Nelius said:What I find pretty frustrating, to put it mildly, about the whole Gil Brandt thing and similar takes like it is that it seems to ignore at least the past year of Haskins still very young career. Yeah, he had some very obvious hiccups with Washington, but he then managed to stick in the league with Pittsburgh for over a year and was down there practicing with teammates who clearly loved him. Seemed he was on the upswing and may have at least found a place as a competent backup with upside. Way too much negative chatter out there about his very young career considering he was still an NFL quarterback that seemed to be comfortably progressing.
Yes, exactly. There are so many accurate ways to portray a person.
The occasion of a person's death is not the time to portray someone negatively.
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18 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:
He also met with them at the combine. Slated to go right around their #25 pick, so someone certainly to keep an eye on. However, the scouting reports I've seen say he's a better fit in man than zone schemes.
Maybe but I'd rather take a guy who's good one on one and try to convert him to zone than visa versa. And I love Booth.
7 hours ago, Pete said:Buffalo Bills
Malik Willis - QB Liberty
Cam Jurgens - C/G Nebraska
Logan Bruss - C/G Wisconsin
Zion Johnson - C/G Boston College
Lecitus Smith - G Virginia Tech
Dohnovan West - C/G Arizona State
Kenyon Green - C/G Texas A&MScott Rhyan-IOL
Nicholas Petiti-Frere -OT
Max Borghi - RB Washington State
Rachaad White - RB Arizona StateIsiah Spiller-RB
James Cook-RB Bufalo
Cade Otton - TE Washington
Isaiah Likely TE
Jameson Williams- WR Bama
Treylon Burks - WR Arkansas
Garrett Wilson - WR OSU
Chris Olave - WR OSU
John Metchie III - WR BamaCole Turner WR
Jordan Davis - DT Georgia
Perrion Winfrey - DT Oklahoma
Phidarian Mathis - DT BamaArnold Ebiketie - DE
Brandon Smith - LB PSU
Darrian Beavers - LB CincinnatiD'Marco Jackson LB
Josh Thompson - CB Texas (Senior Bowl)
Roger McCreary - CB Auburn
Trent McDuffie - CB - Washington
Kaiir Elam - CB Florida
Kyler Gordon - CB Washington
Andrew Booth - CB ClemsonRoger McCreary - CB Auburn
Martin Emerson CB
Jaquan Brisker - S - PSU
Kyle Hamilton- S
Lewis Cines-S
Nick Cross- S
Matt Araiza - P San Diego State
First of all thank you for updating the list. Also it sure seems that the visits by position reflect what all of us believe are the Bills' biggest needs.
4 hours ago, whorlnut said:I’ve seen a scouting report that states he doesn’t have good recovery speed. That means once he’s burnt, he stays burnt. Not exactly something that makes me feel warm and fuzzy with receivers like waddle and hill in the division.
Have you watched any of the video on Booth or have you only read about him?
3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:So some bad news:
The 2020 pre draft tracker, the Bills drafted no one.
2021 was just Jack Anderson.
These leaks really don’t narrow down anything.
Well, that's interesting.
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13 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:
I liked the “no punt” game versus the 49ers
Particularly for a non-playoff game, this was a great game indeed. Also the NFL's Greatest Comeback (Houston-Bills) also has to be on the short list of greatest games. If you add Allen vs Mahomes, the Bills were involved in 3 of the greatest games of all time.
13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:I remember thoroughly enjoying the Dolphins vs Chargers game years ago. Kellen Winslow was a folk hero after that game. I’d put that one up there as one of the best.
Besides the 1958 NFL Championship Game (Colts-Giants) the 1982 Divisional Round game (Chargers-Dolphins) is most often mentioned as a candidate for greatest game ever. In fact it's known as "The Epic in Miami."
"Winslow caught a playoff record 13 passes for 166 yards and a touchdown, while also blocking a field goal with seconds remaining to send the game to overtime in one of the greatest single player efforts in NFL history. Winslow's yardage total stood as the playoff record for tight ends for 30 years until Vernon Davis's 180 yards in 2012. What made Winslow's performance all the more memorable was that fact during the game he was treated for a pinched nerve in his shoulder, dehydration, severe cramps, and received three stitches in his lower lip. After the game, a picture of Winslow being helped off the field by his teammates became an enduring image in NFL lore."
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11 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:
How terrible I used to live in South Florida a lot of the drivers down there did not even have a license or speak English very dangerous
That's interesting.
10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:I wonder if the above is generic file footage or proximate to the actual accident scene.
7 hours ago, Neo said:I read it differently . A young man, struggling in life like so many of us, was lost under unrelated tragic circumstances. This, to me, is much more powerful and respectful than, say, “NFL QB”, or “former college star”. Dwayne Haskins’ story is try, succeed, try, fail, try …
No debate with you. Another perspective.
The problem with characterizing Haskins as "troubled" is because that claim is pretty arbitrary, subjective and arguably negative. Consider one could also write: "Haskins was a very accomplished young man who set both Big Ten and Ohio State records for passing yards, total offense, and touchdowns. He was named the MVP of the 2019 Rose Bowl as well as that year's Big Ten Championship game and was drafted 15th overall that year. At the time of his death Haskins was preparing to compete for the Steelers starting QB position."
5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:What I don’t understand is, even if the car was broken down, why would you attempted to cross it onto oncoming traffic? Wouldn’t you want to walk to the nearest exit? Parents? Friends? I don’t understand.
What makes you think he wasn't walking to the nearest exit?
And while you bring it up, is walking anywhere in that landscape a good idea versus waiting for LE and tow vehicles to arrive?
What did he have to gain by walking as opposed to simply waiting in as safe a place as he could find?
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3 hours ago, Rigotz said:
Running Backs drafted in the first round the last 14 years:
Najee Harris #24
Travis Etienne #25
Clyde Edwards-Helaire #32
Josh Jacobs #24
Saquon Barkley #2
Rashaad Penny #27
Leonard Fournette #4
Christian McCaffrey #8
Ezekiel Elliott #4
Trent Richardson #3
Doug Martin #31
David Wilson #32
Mark Ingram #28
CJ Spiller #9
Ryan Matthews #12
Jahvid Best #30
Knowshon Moreno #12
Donald Brown #27
Beanie Wells #31
14 years and I see maybe 3 players worth the pick.
It's horrible value to go after running backs in the first round and that has been proven time and again.
Interestingly the average draft position of the 19 players on this list is 17.11 but none of them were drafted between picks 12 and 24.
Of the 8 that were chosen at/before pick 12, the average draft position was 6.75. Those teams were shooting for an "elite" running back
Of the 11 that were chosen at/after pick 24. the average draft position was 28.3. Those teams were trying to nail the right value.
25 minutes ago, 716er said:Beane has already wasted two mid-round draft picks on running backs. Hope he does not do it again.
But this discussion is about high-round draft picks... 1st or 2nd round.
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15 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:
So is there anything to back this up or just your feeling?
The closest thing to that I have seen quantified - would be Vegas odds with a player injured or out for the season.
In an individual game - a safety missing the game would not really move the line at all. Other than QB and maybe a real special OT or DE - I am not sure any other position missing the season shifts a teams W/L total by a game.
I personally think if Poyer was moved and replaced by Johnson and Hamlin would be less than 1 point per game for the player - maybe 14 points on the season. It could result in an additional loss, but I doubt it would dent the overall win total Vegas puts out. It is just not an impact position.
I like Poyer and have no issues extending him for the right deal - if it saves us money this year and next, but I also do not think that trading him and getting something or letting him play out the contract is bad. I like what I have seen out of Hamlin and Johnson and wouldn’t mind seeing more, but with the task at hand - my preference is for Poyer and his family to shut up and win.
If I had something to back it up (like access to Poyer's WAR for instance... but I don't pay for that sort of stuff) I would have mentioned it.
As it is we're beginning to split hairs here. You theorize 14 points over the course of a season? A possible loss? Fair enough.
That is exactly the sort of calculus the Bills have to do here. Their valuation should be based on WAR and also the possibility that something like losing home field advantage could happen and what the worst-case scenario of that could be.
9 hours ago, SCBills said:
There may be a drop off, and that’s ok…Were talking about Safeties here. We can’t pay everyone.
Did our two safeties help us against KC when it mattered? Or against any other top notch offense… Indy & Ten come to mind…
We aren’t going to have All-Pros at every position. We also can’t pay every position.
We’d have zero problem extending Poyer and Edmunds, if we want to, had we not signed Von Miller. But Von Miller on a defense against KC in the Playoffs is a huge net positive for this unit even if you remove Poyer & Edmunds from the roster.
I really like Poyer as a person, a Bill, and a player… but I’d rather use his money elsewhere. Beane said we need to get faster in the Secondary… so far all we’ve done is let Levi walk. As good as Hyde & Poyer are, they aren’t burners either.
We vastly overrate some of these guys because our defense is built to suffocate middling QB’s/mediocre offenses. Sorry, but it’s true.
Investing in a guy like Von was a move to change that… and like other defenses who have game changers on it… you have to rely on cheap talent at other positions.
As discussed above, the possible drop-off may or may not be "ok."
Lots of people on our board are more than happy to take that risk in order to save Pegula from spending more of his money.
As you say, if the Bills can spend that money elsewhere and it has a better overall impact than spending that money on Poyer, then it's worth it.
However if people want to save the money just to have it handy for "someone else later," that's more questionable because in that scenario you're not using the money to improve the team.
And it's important to keep in mind that this is supposed to be a Super Bowl or bust season.
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10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
The way I see it. Does the Bills win total projections change with Hamlin or Johnson as the other safety over Poyer? No with will not.
In the Ryan Bates thread I brought up WAR, Wins Above Replacement. I definitely think Poyer is worth at least one win more than Hamlin or Johnson.
9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:3 years 26M that is where I go. AAV is 8.6M That is a good contract for Poyer. Can make the first 2 years fully guaranteed. Anything more than that I would move on
And why would you pay him that much if he's no better than Hamlin or Johnson? As a GM you're always trying to pay for the "true value" of the player. If Poyer gets 3/26 that means he's a pretty good player.
9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:Dont care what he has already been paid. his value is no more than 9M AAV. I also do not care what Rachel has tweeted, she already said the reality and then deleted that tweet.
I agree that his current contract doesn't dictate his future one but I'm sure the infamous Miss Bush disagrees.
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4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.
1 hour ago, JustHewIt said:But are they good football players, or true All-Pros? They were castoffs before they came here. Good football players can be replaced with younger, cheaper good football players in a good scheme. All Pros can't be replaced. The latter gets paid no matter what.
Tre went out, our secondary soldiered on. If Josh/Diggs/Von went out (KNOCK ON WOOD.), would it go on at nearly the same level?1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:And they do. Find me a Cover 3 base coverage scheme over the last decade that has not had a good secondary?
I'm not saying that Poyer has to be re-signed at any and all costs.
I am saying that some here are dismissing his contributions to the team, as if he's a generic plug and play guy.
Poyer is a very good player and a respected veteran leader. If he departed before the 2022 season, it would undo a lot of the gains the team has made this offseason, both from a personnel and a morale standpoint.
It will be interesting to see how the team handles this somewhat sensitive situation.
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On 4/1/2022 at 4:26 AM, 1ManRaid said:
Lol this is hilarious. OP is just making a fool of themselves.
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22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties
18 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors.
12 hours ago, MAJBobby said:Sure it can. Tell me How hard do you think it is for a player to be 15 yards off the Ball. With their eyes looking right at the QB. safety is easier to play than RB OG WLB and those are all very easy positions. Safety is the easiest position to play on a football field. Now add it into a Cover 3 DB friendly defenses. And You have two players that have been moved on from their other teams making all pros. Hyde is the glue back there I can get same production from any NFL safety next to Hyde. Doesn’t have to have the name Poyer or be paid 12M a year.
I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.
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1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:
So I swore I would never be "that guy" but I heard that he has cancelled his appearance today for his charity and wont be doing anymore appearances for the time being
You heard this where?
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41 minutes ago, somnus00 said:
Why use one "y" when you can use two?
Gregg Williams agrees with you.
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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Poyer and his entitled other will no longer be Bills in 2023 or before.
And that would b the RIGHT choice.
Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties
It's a given that McFrazier are DB Whisperers and that somehow the the whole of the secondary is greater than the sum of its parts.
That said, someone has to be playing well in that secondary and propping up the others so it's either Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace were covering for the deficiencies of the safeties or visa versa.
The long held belief is that Hyde and Poyer are enabling the Bills CB (sans T White) to play above their talents. The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors.
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46 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:
From the article it sounds like Miller needs to play on the left side of the formation, going against the RT. Sounds like where he’s most comfortable. Bills need a RDE to step up, I’m not sure if Groot has the skill set to consistently win against LTs.
What hasn't been mentioned yet is that Buscaglia suggests that the Bills should entertain re-signing Jerry Hughes to play at his customary RDE position. Buscaglia reasons that the present candidates... Greg Rousseau who has almost never lined up at RDE in college or pros, Shaq Lawson, AJ Epenesa, and Boogie Basham, don't inspire confidence.
In Buscaglia's documented view, Von Miller is substantially more effective lining up at LDE, and therefore bringing Jerry Hughes back to play his familiar RDE position could be the cherry on top of a revamped Bills pass rush.
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9 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
McDermott should have simply said this:
"I want to make it clear that I bear complete and total responsibility for the communication breakdowns at the end of regulation and in overtime. It doesn't matter exactly what happened and I'm not gonna get into exactly what happened. What I will say is that what happened is entirely my fault and I will take the steps necessary to ensure these mistakes never happen again."
24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:I honestly think that people should look again at what he did say. Because he said "I don't want to get into specifics, but we can execute better and that starts with me."
I don't get this obsessive need for some sort of self flagellation in order to satisfy a lust for what I call the social media version of accountability.
I disagree Bill.
iMO McDermott was not emphatic enough and he was not unequivocal enough.
That was more noticeable from the video... if you read the words they had a different effect than actually hearing them spoken.
His mea culpa (thanks K-9!) was unsatisfying, like an insincere apology and that's why many fans and media felt it was insufficient.
And more importantly what did the players and coaches feel about his comments? The leadership aspect is the most concerning thing about his post mortem (thanks K-9!).
Part of it is McDermott's limitations as a speaker... he could have said more in fewer words and in less time. And the team would likely respond better to a more effective message than the passive finger pointing that was implied.
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26 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I think he goes late one. He is just so good. And he isn’t weak, he plays with leverage and holds his own against bigger guys. Massive guys like Marquan McCall gave him issues.I just watched 10 minutes of his game video.
I expected him to be solid at the point of attack and he was but I was surprised with his athleticism. He had zero problems with reach blocks and working at the second level. He was effective with seal blocks, in combination, basically polished in every aspect of O-line play. He plays like a guy who understands the theory and objective behind every play.
That said the whole Iowa line looked so polished and professional so that made it a bit more difficult evaluating him. Looks like a damn fine player though.
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12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I think he goes late one. He is just so good. And he isn’t weak, he plays with leverage and holds his own against bigger guys. Massive guys like Marquan McCall gave him issues.Yeah I understand about the leverage and the wrestling background, biomechanics, etc.
I'd still be concerned about his size especially in the context of NFL talent.
It's not a perfect comparison but Jim Ritcher was a smallish center who excelled for the Bills for many years. He was legendarily strong in the weight room but going up against Jumpy Geathers in the Super Bowl was Exhibit A on why O-linemen need to be big guys.
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Am I the only one who hasn't completely given up on Zack Moss?
in The Stadium Wall
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Last week I posted this:
NFL fans tend to overreact to pretty much everything. The majority of this board was writing off Singletary last offseason.
Moss had a good college career and a promising rookie campaign. This year he has to compete against Duke Johnson for snaps.
I could easily see Moss having a bounce back season where he plays significant snaps in a contributing role.
Whether it's Moss or Duke (or Singletary) I believe the Bills will see greater contributions from their number two running back this year than they have so far under the McBeane Administration.