Billz4ever

You're right, Ken seems to be trying to limit the amount of runs Josh does, but he's still being forced to scramble out of the pocket more than he should be. Why? IMO because we can't keep the D honest with a running game, so they are expecting pass every play and getting pressure up the middle or off the edge, forcing Josh to get out of the pocket. That needs to change.

I agree with most of that except the Big Ben reference. Big Ben had one helluva NFL career IMO and will be in the HOF.

Bro, you had no argument in the first place. You clearly either didn't read the tweet completely or you didn't understand what you were reading because the bills were throwing the ball down there, not running it.

63 pass attempts. It's pretty clear the coaching staff expected Josh to play miracle worker once again because their own game plan made the O-line and receivers barely even able to stay on the field.

No, it shows they are more likely to score a touchdown running the ball out of shotgun on the 1 yard line, which the Bills didn't even do. They literally threw the ball on 2 of the final three downs if memory serves me correctly. Did you actually read what you posted? Oof

But we didn't do what you just posted, so that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

No, I'm actually posting from reality where you haven't given the advantage to the Defense because they have much less ground to have to cover and considering what they got out of that drive, my point stands.

Hell, then snap it to Josh in shotgun and let him dive over the line, whatever. Throwing the ball where the receivers don't have a ton of room to get separation from defenders and an INT is much more likely to happen makes no sense. Inside the 1 is a running play unless you're trying the fake handoff to the TE or lineman or something. Inside the 1 yard line is a running play. 3 straight if necessary. Period.

If people are seriously trying to claim at the NFL level, we can't even snap the ball under center to get less than a yard, that raises a lot more questions than it answers.

That's because unlike our unforgivable defensive play calls in the 13 seconds, the Fish weren't allowing our receivers to run free down the field like we allowed KC's receivers to do against us in those final moments.

Because I'm telling you what I've seen in over 40 years of watching college and professional football. A bad snap in shotgun is far more problematic in a goal to go situation, since you will likely to be forced to settle for a field goal at best if you didn't turn the ball over.

I mean whatever you want to call it, it was the wrong call. If your secondary is depleted with injuries, the last thing you want to do is give the opposing QB time to find a hole. The way you do that is with pressure, which is supposed to be a strength of this team this season, but when you're only rushing 3, I really hope they weren't expecting any sort of pressure that would force Tua into an early/bad throw.

My take is the same as yours. He maintains control when both feet touch the ground. At that point, it's a touchdown since both stills from the replay shows he had already tucked the ball away when his first (left) foot touches the ground and still has it tucked away in the same arm when his second (right) foot touches. I'm not buying that either. I would argue it's easier for a replacement center to snap the ball under center than in shotgun. I've seen backup centers snap the dang ball over the QB's head in shotgun formation and it results in either a turnover or a huge loss of yardage.

Because they're gassed and barely even able to stay in the game.

Miami's offense scored 21 points in 18 minutes. Pretty sure our offense is better than theirs. We killed our own O-line and receivers.

Because this would've been a challenge of a play that puts points on the board and where replay clearly shows control and 2 feet down. What happened after the 2nd foot touched is irrelevant per the definition of a catch according to NFL rules. No different than if a RB fumbled the ball after the ball broke the plane of the goal line.

LOL, the NFL had YouTube block it here. You can still watch it on youtube by clicking the link.

When the announcers were even arguing that maybe a catch, when they certainly weren't cheering for the Bills in the game, should've been a clear indication there should've been another look at the play. In full speed, I can completely understand it seeming as though Gabe didn't have it, but that's why we have challenges and replay w/slo-mo.

I don't agree. Their gameplan clearly worked against them. Yeah, they controlled the ball, but it completely gassed the O-line and the receivers. Conventional wisdom is that it's the Defense that would be out of gas spending 42 minutes on the field. It was our team that was gassed and when a team is gassed, mistakes are going to happen.

You have an interesting definition of the ball being "tucked away" then if the ball clearly being secured in his left arm is apparent when his left foot touches and then when his right foot does doesn't count as exactly that.

So your argument is that a catch that is tucked away with 2 feet down is not the definition of a completed pass in the NFL because that's clearly what it shows. And you're also arguing that on a challenge, the ref wouldn't be looking for the ball being tucked away with two feet in bounds, again, which it clearly shows.

Control of the ball and 2 feet down. Definition of a completed pass. As soon as his right foot touched, that's a catch and a touchdown.

Can't be anymore clear than that and when it's a play that would potentially put points on the board, you challenge that and make the refs say it wasn't a catch. Give some of the dumb challenges I've seen McD make and then to not challenge this one is simply mind boggling.

You said he didn't tuck it away and on the replay you can clearly see he did. He also tapped both feet and a split second after he tapped the second foot, the ball came out.

That is a catch. You make the refs say it's not especially when it's a play that would put points on the board.