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Coleman may end up being the better WR and it would still have been stupid to trade KC that pick. I truly can’t believe Beane did that.

I know you didn’t. I was leading you to water. If he has never needed more than 2, and has only used 2 in 0.02 games. Why would anyone be worried about him using 1?

There ya go. Now how many times has he challenged 3? (Meaning won 2 and used the 3rd)?

Bingo. This is one of those IQ test threads… Its telling.

Posting this should be a bannable offense. And this should be a criminal charges pending offense.

McDermott has coached over 100 games. Take a guess how many times he has challenged twice in one game.

It actually didn’t move at all as he went out of bounds. It shifted when he hit the turf. Either way, probably not getting overturned. Speaking of Kincaid, he kinda sucks. Woofta that feels good to finally let that out. I’ve bottled that up for a year now. He is super underwhelming as a first round pick. He has dropped or bobbled multiple balls that hit his hands, and he sucks major donkey cahones as a blocker. Multiple times we have plays set up that would go for big gains, but Kincaid gets beat. On this play, Cook has a legitimate chance of scoring if Kincaid doesn’t get suplexed. He would have had to make 1 defender miss. And here is another screen where Allen gets sacked because Kincaid gets beat so bad that Curtis Samuel would have been crushed if Allen threw it. Lucky he didn’t get called for holding to boot.

And that’s OK. This is a point that many people miss. It is okay to challenge a call pivotal call in the first half when your offense is reeling even if you think you’ll lose it. Why? It’s simple logic. The upside is that you get a key first down in field goal territory. The downside is you might lose a timeout that you didn’t use (we had 3 timeouts left with only a few minutes remaining in the half). It’s OK to take that risk there.

because you don’t rebuild with a top 3 QB. Patriots never did it under Brady. Chiefs haven’t done it under Mahomes.

I don’t agree with this. Sean is a good leader, a good man, and a quality coach in many facets. He has end of game issues, but EVERY coach will come with some issue they struggle with. I genuinely don’t think we could find anyone better. I don’t even think we can find anyone that’s even equal to him.

McDermott, about 10 mins ago at the press conference: “I wish I had that back”.

Im genuinely curious what some fans wanted Allen to do. Escape an untouched rusher, roll to his right, and then throw to an absolutely blanketed receiver? What was he supposed to do!?

This is an insane take in my opinion. There is not a QB in the NFL who throws into tighter windows and makes covered guys open more than Josh Allen. What… the… literal… bleep. I can not begin to understand the mental leaps one must make to think that the QB running for his life the entirety of the game and watching as his receivers dropped 5 passes, as well as a TD pass, was the problem.

I respect this view viewpoint. To make the view even more micro, the game was lost when the line could not contain Houston’s pass rush. Allen was bailing to his right repeatedly due to non-stop pressure… which is why that final drive failed.

You’re right - they likely would have gotten a kick off. But all else being equal, It would have been a longer kick. And every yard you add to kick, reduces the probability of making it. And there’s also a chance time runs out during the spike play - heck, it was getting dangerously close to running out with Watson buying time on the second to last play even with a timeout. You need a *minimum* of 12 seconds to run a play and spike the ball. That doesn’t mean it can’t take, 13, 14, 15 seconds. 12 seconds is minimum. Especially when the defense knows you can’t throw deep and puts 10 defenders within 5-8 yards. The absolute best chance of stacking your odds to win the game (outside of a first down), is to take away their timeouts. That drastically limits their playbook. Sure, you want a first down. But we don’t live in a world where we always get what we want. That is why you must have backup plans. You have to understand every chess move before it happens. That is what made Belichick so damn deadly. Outside of having the GOAT Qb, he simply knew every move before it happened. It was special to watch, if not nauseating as well. In an interview about the Super Bowl where they beat the Seahawks, he mentioned that a lot of coaches would have called timeout inbetween the play before Wilson threw the game sealing INT. And he thought about it. But he had such a great sense for the game that he looked over to the other sideline and could tell that they were in disarray. Position groups were having trouble figuring out who was going in and out, coaches were scrambling, etc. So he decided not to bail them out with a timeout, which would have given them extra time to think and perhaps run the ball. The next play, they intercept Wilson. He just had a great sense for the game and he knew every chess move. Coaches need to understand the game further than just “dur, need first down, dur”. This isn’t caveman football. If you don’t get that first down, you need a contingency. The best contingency is removing their timeouts. Sure, they might still get a kick. But that kick is significantly harder without timeouts. Heck, the whole situation is significantly harder without timeouts. Not only are they further back, but their playbook is also limited due to no timeouts. The Bills committed 2 safeties deep on that second to last play because McD knew that with Houston having timeouts, the entire field was fair game. With no timeouts, the Bills could have squatted 10 guys within 5-8 yards of the LOS and it would have been next to impossible for them to gain more than a yard or two before spiking the ball. I think more than likely, Watson throws the ball away with so many defenders squatting. He wouldn’t take the turnover risk. So yes, the kick may have happened. But the kick would have absolutely been longer - there is practically no way for it not to have been. It was a failure of thinking. And thankfully McD seems to agree, which means he learned from it. That’s all you can ask for.

Cant speak for others, but I can say this is NOT true for me. I was screaming at my TV to hand the ball off before they took a single snap. Why? Its logic and game theory. Around the NFL, broadcasters were live-criticizing the decision to throw *as it happened*. Not in retrospect. As it was occurring. This is not a hindsight-is-20/20 situation. The football world was lamenting these horrible decisions while the crash was happening.

Scheming people open appears to have left with Daboll. Sometimes I daydream of that 2020 season where we seemingly had open WR’s running everywhere. I loved that season.

Hamlin is a special type of awful. No one can convince me that there is a worse starting safety in the NFL right now.

I don’t care if it wouldn’t have been successful, you challenge that catch. We were reeling. We needed to take a chance on getting that overturned. Worst case scenario we lose a timeout that we never used.

We ars wasting a year of a hall-of-fame QB’s career. That is disgusting.

Agreed and I plan to watch it later to hear more. I’m just reading what the Bills reporters are saying. Its mind boggling to me, personally.

They already asked him. He admitted it wasn’t smart.

Yes. Giving up a 65 yard kick to maybe hopefully get closer…but also maybe don’t get any chance. Thats risk. I don’t think most coaches do that.