snowbelt_subie

man i would hate to see what you thought of the browns D. Buffalo's D won the game against the ravens that in combination with tucker missing 2 FG's and somehow recovering that josh allen fumble. i mean the bills had like 200 yds of offense in that game. the browns will have 10 new contributors on D we will see how they gel but they CANT be worse than last year. i think the top teams in the afc BUF, KC, CLE, BALT TENN, INDY its going to be about matchups more than anything. i think CLE will match up well against TENN , BUF, INDY the best. they didnt match up against the ravens well BUF matches up good against the ravens doesn't IMO against TENN , CLE type offenses the infusion of speed on the browns D will work well against passing teams like buf and KC.

most of the posters here seem to think the browns fate falls on baker mayfield but it doesn't. the browns D was horrid last year especially in the backend. They couldnt stop mahomes or allen or lamar hell they couldnt stop Mike Glennon last year and still won 11 games and a playoff game. if the browns D becomes average or a little above average they are going to be a contender. they can and will score points thats not the problem. As far as the browns future and plan not making sense and thinking the browns are going to fall off i don't think so. Berry has been really good as GM in his first year he fixed the Oline into one of the best in the league and that transformed the offense. In his second year he went after the weak backend in a similar way all while keeping the dead money top 3 in the NFL and they are top 4 in cap space. i think its going to be the bills, KC , Cle , indy, balt for the foreseeable future in the AFC

so if he loses another game or 2 to Mayfield you don't think this will be a "thing" it will be. it wont mater who you think is more talented.

i mean he is 0-1 vs mayfield other than that he is better. he just might not want to lose another game or 2 because mayfield might start to be his daddy.

not necessarily regressing but you are right great success is hard to replicate QB production varies quite a bit for lots of reasons. josh had a good year last year but thinking he is just going to throw 40 tds and 10 int every year is a pipedream. defenses catch on they counter and then the offenses have to regroup. that's why mahomes went from 50 tds to 26 tds. Thats why wentz went from 33tds to 21 tds the next year. lamar 36 to 26 tds. its not just plug in last years production the next year. josh will probably vary from 25 tds to 40 tds with 10-15 interceptions over his career per year and that's good. they will need to establish some sort of a running game or teams are going to really key in on stopping the passing game.

if your going on last years performance you are correct. the problem is its a year to year league and we dont know how most the qbs will perform other than a handful of guys that have done it for 5+ years.

lots of triggered bills fans is understandable its a bills forum. As a browns fan i dont think the browns have jumped the bills i feel like its a group of teams behind KS and they are all pretty even. its KS and then Bills, Tenn, Cle, Indy and Balt Mia. any of the teams in the second tier can win against each other depending on the matchup and the day they are all close enough. i see most posters saying the browns cant make the step due baker and and offense. im not sure that they watched any browns games? the browns had to outscore pretty much everyone because the D was so bad most of the year. here are the points given up by the browns D 38-ravens 30- beng 20- wash 38- dal 23- indy 38- steelers 34- bengals these 3 games were terrible weather high winds/ rain making the D seem better than it was neither offense could not throw the ball in these games 16- raiders 10- hou 17- eagles now back to normal 25-jags 35- titans 47- ravens 6- giants (the only good game by the d all year) 23-jets 22- steelers backups the browns D was rated around #20 in most categories and aided by 3 terrible weather games that helped the stats. If the browns Defense can make the next step that is the thing that needs to happen for the browns to take the next step. as far as buffalo's defense they gave up 30 points only 3 times including the playoffs the browns gave up over 30 8 time.