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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
So you’re saying they made smart moves. Im not sure how this refutes my point.
Huh? Burrow is not on a rookie deal.
His contract is larger than Allen’s.
Burrow was on a rookie deal until recently, and all success Burrow had against the Bills (and achievements) are while he was on his deal. So they could disperse funds towards other positions while he was on that deal.
Chase is on his fifth year
Higgins just now is on the Franchise tag.
Your point (if I'm not mistaken) was the Bengals have been able to be more successful than the Bills and have cap space right now, I'd simply point out the situations have been entirely different. The Bills were never as bad as the Bengals were, and have not had the luxury of two top 6 picks (being at two vital positions) on rookie deals for 5 years as a way to fill out the roster with available funds. Not to mention, the first year Beane came to the team he had to clear a load of dead cap, which limited the way he could turn the team around in 2018/2019.
You are right, Burrow is no longer on his deal. However, Chase (a top 10 WR in the game) is $9M this year. Burrow's actual hit is $29M. Higgins even on the tag is $21. They have been able to hold core pieces for small amounts of money, and this year is their first real year of cap impact. That $23M will not be so high next year, unless they offload talent (like the Bills did).
Regarding the Chiefs comments - The Chiefs are the best team in the league over the past 5 years. The Bills have been a top 5 team over the past 4 years. The Bills are like the Chiefs - they have a core piece (Allen/Mahomes) and they have other core talent locked down (Kelce/Milano/Jones/Miller/Etc.). The main difference is the Chiefs dealt Hill instead of giving him an extension, where as the Bills gave Diggs an extension and now have moved him. That's a $30M sway (and accounts for the cap you discuss the Chiefs having). It's one move. I don't hold this organization to the fire over one move. They are fixing the problem it caused, but they aren't dumb in aggregate. The Chiefs have made smart moves - the Bills have made smart moves. The Chiefs made a smart move one more time than the Bills did. And even then, it didn't look like a smart move until the Chiefs won it all this year.
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50 minutes ago, Einstein said:
We do have an elite QB, but he is only accounting for 8.5% of the teams cap.
And he accounted for less than 5% the past two seasons when we were also having cap struggles.
As an example of why this excuse holds no water, the Chiefs have an elite QB as well. And have won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls. Yet they still have over 20 million of cap space.
Another example: The Bengals also have an elite QB. And we’re in the Super Bowl 2 years ago. And have beaten us twice in a row, including one of those times in the playoffs. They have $23 million in cap space.
The chiefs traded Hill to get away from a cap bind. The chiefs have moved players out, but have been flexible with that cap situation via great drafting and cheap FAs. The bills are emulating that to a degree.
the bengals were worse than the Bills had been for the past decade in 2019-20 when they picked first overall and 5th for chase and burrow. They are losing Higgins and Hendrickson within the year, and they have benefitted from having those talents on rookie deals.
in fact, you made your own counterpoint in your post. The Bengals have an elite QB on a rookie deal, which gives them flexibility. They have had two elite WRs on rookie deals, which have given them flexibility. The Bills have had Allen’s deal active for a few seasons now, and paid Diggs as a true #1. So I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here.
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1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
I am sure most of you know he also ran the second fastest time in the "Gauntlet" at the combine, which many say simulates game speed better than the 40-yard dash. They are supposed to run it straight across the yardline. Many can't. Coleman's straight as an arrow, and his receiving form looks A+ to me. The video is worth a 10 second watch.
The overhead of that video potentially showed a reason why Franklin dropped to the 4th round. He was zig zagging all over the place
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10 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
Yes, let's use the abysmal performance of the WR room the second half of last year as the low bar threshold by which to measure what will be considered acceptable performance or not this year. The offense struggled. Maybe it won't with Brady and the new players, but I'm not all that confident about it. Kincaid is going to have to be the main target, I think, so I hope he has a leap and not a sophomore slump year.
The Bills offense was top 5 at the end of the year, and was so via flexibility of the scheme week to week. The team didnt need to funnel Diggs 15 targets a game to be successful. Brady used the run game, Kincaid, Shakir and it was a better offense than the first half of the year.
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I have a feeling they will go WR in the third. Guys will continue to drop
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He is Gabe Davis with hands. If he has those traits, the Bills will make him successful
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13 minutes ago, Billl said:
He was going to run on stage to hug Goodell, but it was 40 yards away, and they didn’t have enough time.
Worthy sprinted to the stage, and the light breeze in Detroit picked him up and he was never heard of again
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If worthy makes such an impact, he isn’t the pick at 28, he is going top 10. Frankly the guy can run fast at the combine. I don’t see the separation on film, I don’t see plus hands. They will scheme him all over the field I’m sure, but worthy was not a top 40 prospect in this draft for me.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Agree on Worthy. However it's amazing how the laundry one wears can change my perception on a player. Had the Bills picked him he would be the best pick ever and a non violent version of Tyreek. But the Chiefs picked him so I believe he's going to be a Mecole Hardman/Marquise Goodwin hybrid.😂
Or, people have been consistent that they are not a huge Fan of Worthy…. But posters sensationalize for the sake of making a point
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Just now, Roundybout said:
I didn’t realize how a lot of Worthy’s advanced stats were complete asscheeks. Still hate to loose sheer raw talent like that thoughI wouldn’t be shocked if worthy is listed as “first round disappointments” a year later. He screams gadget to start and then finding out if he can develop further
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
Putting that guy in Andy Reid’s offense is a nightmare. Reid will get him the ball in space. The Bills could certainly trade down. They couldn’t give the Chiefs elite skill players to deal with. Not a good day for the Bills. I’m hoping tomorrow is 2 picks and a vet WR. We will see
Sky Moore was the speed guy taken two years ago who is awful
kadarius toney was picked up to be the speedy first round grade receiver to be a stud
ross was brought in to see if his speed could amount to somethjng in the tail end of his career
the chiefs have struck out on receivers just as often as they have hit. Hill was and is an amazing player. If they have fooled everyone and found a guy of tbat talent again? Credit to them
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1 minute ago, Billselda said:
Passing up on Xavier Legette will hurt for years. Ladd McConkey is not that guy.
I’ll just say this,
I was more impressed with McConkey running with the ball in his hands than Worthy when I watched them
mcConkey also looks like the more natural catcher
worthy has more experience with the route tree and Is is fast in a straight line
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
He is nowhere near Worthy as a player. Worthy runs the route tree. I feel like I don’t need to get this far in the weeds because the comparison is lazy. Worthy is a good route runner with explosive playmaking. He is a great WR. John Ross ran a fast 40. They aren’t that close.
I’ve watched the tape on Worthy, I’m not impressed.
i think he has value as a gadget guy and if Mahomes and him gain chemistry, he can be effective
i didnt have a top 40 grade on him
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Just now, Freddie's Dead said:
Except he's not. We didn't land a single extra pick, we simply moved up from Round 4 to 3 and up in Round 7.
The quality of this draft isn’t its depth. Moving up in rounds is good value for this year
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Just now, DapperCam said:
49ers did just draft a WR 👀I mentioned it in a text to a friend - 33 and one of our seconds next year for Aiyuk and their second at the end of the round
extend aiyuk, take your savings and draft Franklin who you love at 61
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
Unless there is something that we are missing, this is a failure. You gave Andy Reid, and the team that you can’t beat, the fastest player in combine history. Why? I was fine going back from 32 to 33 but it should have been 60 (and like 160) for 39 to do that. The Bills haven’t managed this draft well as of now.
With that being said, maybe the vet WR is a part of this. Maybe the Bills add Dejean or Newton and trade 60 (& filler) for Ayiuk or Higgins. They can come back at 95 and add someone like Baker. If the Bills walked out with Dejean, Ayiuk and Baker we should feel pretty good. Weaponizing Mahomes though, is not a good idea.
COULD YOU IMAGINE THEM WITH JOHN ROSS??!! He was worthy before worthy!
wait, they did have him… and he didn’t even crack the roster
speed isn’t everything
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Just now, NoSaint said:
It was not by any metric.
no scale or historical comp shows that as higher than normal value.
No historical comp showed Josh Allen would be a top QB in the league.
I understand what you are saying. Bleed the chiefs dry if they try to move up. However, there are so many variables to the situation. Maybe the chiefs were the only team offering to move up? Maybe the bills are working on other deals and need certain picks to make it happen, maybe the Bills are targeting players that they know will be available later on?
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
so let kc squirm and find another partner, or make them overpayMaybe the trade we received was in fact a premium…?
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11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
honest answer, I don’t trade with kc there without a premiumare you ok if mahomes throws to worthy to beat us in the playoffs next year?
Of course I’d be upset, but not at Beane trading back. I’d be pissed if we drafted worthy to only have him get injured right away, or turns out he can’t catch the ball
if the chiefs maximize the ability of him, so be it. This isn’t us trading the first overall pick.
you can’t be “scared” as an NFL gm. Beane has someone in mind for our pick, and he obviously knows he will get him
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1 minute ago, BigDingus said:
It's more the fact that Reid is much smarter than McDermott & will find a way to take advantage of that speed.
Paired with Mahomes, it's going to be one more guy the Bills helped the Chiefs get that can possibly hurt them. You're acting like Tyreek Hill's tenure on the Chiefs didn't teach us anything.
So would you prefer the Bills take worthy to spite the chiefs, but can’t use him effectively and he busts, or take someone at 28 that would have been available at 32 anyway and not move up 30 spots into the 3rd round?
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Losers focus on winners, winners focus on winning.
Bills weren’t going worthy, and they obviously have a guy in mind. Get your guy and get a 3rd to either move up in the 2nd, or fill out the roster
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@GunnerBill great job as always - any idea why WR has gone from "We may see 7 receivers in the first round" to only 5? Mitchell/Legette/Franklin/McConkey all not being selected in the first. Does that say more about the concerns of the talent, or the addressing of other needs by teams?
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B. Cooks - Good #2
K. Benjamin - Bad
W. Fuller - Bad
N. Agholor - #3/4
B. Perriman - Bad
P. Dorsett - Bad
J. Doctson - Bad
L. Treadwell - Bad
D. Moore - Low Tier #1
C. Ridley - Low Tier #1
M. Brown - Good #2
N. Harry - Bad
C. Lamb* - Mid Tier #1
J. Reagor - Bad
J. Jefferson** - Top #1
B. Aiyuk - Mid Tier #1
K. Toney - Bad
R. Bateman - #3 with Potential
So we have:
1 Top Tier #1
4 Mid/Low #1s
2 #2s
2-3 #3s
8 Bad
To be fair, in the last few years the results have been better:
Since 2018 Draft:
4 Mid/Low Tier #1s
1 Top End #1
1 Good #2
1 Good #3 with upside
3 Bads
So really the tweet is a little misleading. In the past 5 drafts, teams in our position have found a #1 WR 50% of the time. With this class being deep, the chance of that hit only goes up. Is the risk there? Of course. But I'm not scared about picking a WR at 28. If Beane had a guy they want, they need to go after them.
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The question is dependent on two things.
1) am I able to complete passes like a shovel pass to a motioning receiver? That’s really the only pass I think I could complete.
2) is the teams goal to win the game or for me to complete a pass?
I can throw the ball 20-30 yards downfield with decent accuracy, but I have no reference to the timing of an NFL play. I don’t think I could judge a corner/safety/lb in zone coverage. I also think if someone as bad as one of us was behind center, the other team would bring a heavy set in and drop everyone within 5 yards of the line. Zero blitz all day and none of us could process and develop a rhythm to complete a pass.
I’m not small (6’2), in decent shape, and can throw a bit. However, so much of the QB role is pre snap, and then just insanely fast reads real time. Then the athlete part comes into play.
if I can shovel to a wr? 1-5 passes. If the goal is to complete a pass PAST the line of scrimmage? Zero. And I’m comfortable knowing I’m correct
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Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones
in The Stadium Wall
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Chargers lost Allen and Williams
Tyler Boyd is a good get, but is aging quickly
Berrios is quite uninspiring and Malik Washington is a question mark
Bills DRAFTED Keon Coleman, and signed Claypool and Cephus
It may not be sexy, but I have no issues with the Bills taking a chance on two redemption projects to potential bring some impact.
If Allen can motivate these guys in the right way, we could see a really consistent WR room. Maybe not high end, but consistent.