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This would be the wrong time to trade Byrd given the receiving team's inability to lock him up. It would make the compensation much less than he is worth. I also do not see them trading picks for a guard right now. It is what is for this year.
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The Ravens are very thin at receiver and Flacco is a statue. This is about as good a matchup for the Bills banged up secondary as they will get. I could see Buffalo squeaking out a close win in a low scoring game - 20/16
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Move him to LG. Hairston at LT. Pears stays at RT
Glenn was a bruising run blocker in college. This might be a quick fix for our Colin Brown problem.
It might be an idea if Hairston was not on the PUP list. Maybe next year.
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People that can pick up on the notions of what I just replied, yes, they are more astute, or smart, or whatever you want to call it. I'll throw in less likely to be fooled and less gullible too.
I'm far from the only one, from what I see here there are plenty of fans that can see this.
But what, instead you defer to whom, people that have been categorically wrong over the years? No doubt you said similar things in years past regarding the other staffs too and those that criticized them early on.
This isn't brain science, it's largely common sense.
We're not talking about a coaching staff struggling with the intricacies of offenses or defenses here and mis-adjustments that lost games by a point or two.
What we're talking about is a staff led by someone that couldn't even figure out that his style of offense was going to lead to a miserable time-of-possession that would hinder the team. Is that going to change? No, why should it, just because you say so? Or they say so? That's ridiculous.
And what, time-of-possession is a difficult concept to manage and consider? Hardly. Any fool football fan knows that you're not going anywhere with such a lopsided time of possession. It's a tremendously trivial concept, surprised you don't realize that given your implied genius.
Do you think that it's a coincidence that Chip Kelly and Marrone coach the two teams with the worst time-of-possession in the entire league, by a wide margin even? It's not even close to the 3rd worst team.
There are a number of other things too that all fall into the fundamentals category. I won't bother with them since clearly your mind is closed, shuttered as if awaiting a hurricane.
But what, we have coaches that don't understand the fundamentals at any level but particularly the NFL level, and you think that they're going to do what, grow into their roles and become competitive coaches overnight so that next season they can compete with the top-half coaches in this league?
Who's the naive one here? It's not me and those that can see these tremendously simple, trivial, and fundamental flaws after four games of preseason and another 3 into the regular season.
If you read completely, you'll see and note that I said that I was surprised by this myself. I did not expect the assessment of this new coaching staff to be able to come so soon. Yet it has. I didn't make them coach the way that they are, not not-coach the way that they are. All I'm doing is seeing a duck and calling it the duck that it is.
But yes, despite your sarcasm you are in fact correct, the more intelligent, smarter, and less gullible people should easily be able to recognize this. You'll be on board too since those things are far too much for a staff to overcome to be even average in this league if they don't understand those things (some not even mentioned in this thread) now, at this point in time after years of coaching at lower levels. You'll be with the masses that get with the program after anyo other options have been exhausted, apparently. Then you and the laggers will consider yourselves on top of things. LOL
Fans understand it though, the smarter ones that is. I'll leave it for you to categorize those fans as you wish, which you'll do anyway.
Again, no one was expecting wins this season, and clearly with good reason, but when you have a front-4 like we have and can't even stop the run after being heralded as some kind of defensive expert, I mean honestly, you think that's a good sign for the future? Really?
I don't think that Hackett has more than a few percent support, even here, in homer central.
Who hired Hackett tho? Who thought that he was prepared for the task? Who thinks that running some caffeine hyped paced offense in the NFL was not going to have a significant impact on a D that isn't even very good to begin with?
Does it really take someone with above-average intelligence to string that stuff together? IDK, maybe it does, but I don't think it does. Apparently so though according to you.
By the way and fwiw, we're also talking about a coaching staff that had to have Manuel, but apparently failed to reconcile one of Manuel's biggest draft negatives and weaknesses by most draft pundits and analysts, namely his inaccuracy on all but shorter throws.
Then, they amass speed at the WR position to pair with those inaccuracy issues, and then they scratch their little noodles as to why we have no deep passing game.
Does this seem intelligent to you? It doesn't to a lot of us and hardly falls into the category of "Football for Budding Geniuses" in terms of comprehension. It's basic fundamental stuff and common sense. Yet ...
Somewhere there's a major disconnect, and yeah, the more astute football viewers can easily see where it is and don't need a season's worth of observation to realize that coaches that can't even manage the simplest of things are going to have much rougher going with the more complex things.
You confuse opinions with facts, and arrogance with intelligence. You purport to "know" exactly how everything will turn out, because, after all, you and other "astute" fans can see based on your vast experience, knowledge and "common sense". Well, concluding as you have that after a 3 game sample your own biased opinions have been confirmed and the whole venture is doomed to failure is neither astute nor intelligent. It is short sighted and illogical. But of course, that is just my own uninformed, ignorant opinion, not nearly as good or valued as yours.
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I think that the truly reasonable posters and the more astute ones recognize that the staff is, once again, in over their heads. The NFL is not a place for people to come to learn how to do things, it's a place where experienced and competent people succeed. Clearly Marrone and certainly not Hackett fit that mold.
Reason does not make excuses, particularly excuses that most other teams have at their disposal too, and then say that things will be better once everything's perfect, nothing's ever perfect in the NFL.
I was really hoping for more from this caste of coaches. I didn't figure that it would be obvious so soon that we've been sold a bill of goods by Brandon once again, the marketer in chief, but we have been.
It's going to be interesting to see now how long it takes everyone to catch on as it will no doubt go in waves. That's where the real entertainment bang for the buck is, watching the posters.
Yes - only smart people like you can really see the truth. The rest of the great unwashed will in time recognize your genius.
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There is a better way to fix it - make first downs. No matter how much they slow down, if the cannot stay on the filed, it is not going to help. Pace is not the problem - execution is. If they cannot fix that, it does not matter how long they do or do not take to snap the ball.
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Is this one of the dumbest TSW threads of all time?
It would have to be in the top three at least.
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In Byrd's slight defense, he was getting $7MM this year no matter what.
$7MM was his minimum this year. Whether from the Bills or somewhere else. He probably believes he earned at least that much, because that's the CBA. He's just pissy because he is making the "minimum" this year, instead of more.
I still think he should actually man-up and earn that money. Its not $7MM of a windfall. Its not a Jackpot or the Lotto or something.
Its $7MM to PLAY FOOTBALL.
Exactly. If he did not want to risk injury he could have refused to sign the tender and sat out. Instead, he took the money with no intention of earning it, trying to make his presence so unpalatable as to force a trade.. He is taking advantage of the system he is complaining about while screwing over his team mates. He is the very definition of a POS. Byrd has less and less value to the Bills or anyone else as the weeks go by. If it were my team, assuming I could do it under the cap without screwing myself, I would franchise him again next year and sit him on the bench, replaced by a new draft choice. Lets see who wants to pay him top dollars after two years of inactivity. Whatever happens, I sincerely hope the Bills stay the course and do not given in to this selfish douche and his greedy agent.
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There have been many people "patiently" waiting for the first sign of trouble to pull out these same old tired arguments. The dogs were let loose this week. Personally, while Sunday was disappointing, I am enjoying the ride.
Go Bills!
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I checked back into this thread to see if it was still being taken as a joke and actually find many people that agree. It is truly amazing.
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I don't have any evidence, but the Marrone quote combined with the fact that Byrd played well even with the injury last season and the fact that the secondary is decimated tells me that not all is happy in Bills-land. The team has to be royally pissed at Byrd for not gutting it out even just a teensy bit given the secondary situation.
That may well be. I am sure just as obvious to his coaches and his team mates that he has decided to collect a paycheck and do nothing. If he was any kind of man he would be playing.
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Stay man. We are trading spiller and we are benching EJ Manuel in tie gAmes to save his fragile psyche.
And EJ is too nice for his own good, so there's that gem
Big week of deals you don't wanna miss.
You are behind. Now we are trading EJ and CJ, moving Woods to LG, bringing back Nate Clements, firing Hacket, Whaley, and quite possibly Marone. I am sure I have missed a few gems myself, but be sure to keep up.
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So these are running grades, not just weekly grades?
There does not appear to be a similar comparison after week 2.
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One and a half drives into Sunday's game, and no less than five fans in the gameday thread were calling for Hackett's head on a stake.
That's fine. The gameday thread has never been known to be a sanctuary for balanced discourse.
I bit back, a little, then gave up when:
- It was clearly a futile effort.
- It was clearly a rough day for the offensive staff, coaches included.
That said, and while fully acknowledging Hackett's shortcomings in the loss, I'm still not ready to blame the playcalling.
Here's why:
Expectations
Rookie quarterback, rookie OC.
The moment the Bills announced Hackett would be taking over the play calling duties, a certain sect of Bills fans (and not necessarily a marginally-sized one, mind you) saw their opportunity to lambaste the front office. Couldn't blame them, really. After Ralph handing over the keys (something The Realists have been clamoring for for years), after jumping on a HC hire that was widely revered league-wide and in the media, and after stealing arguably the best coordinator available in Pettine, there wasn't a lot to B word about.
Then came Hackett.
Suddenly, a sliver of daylight for the doomers to pounce. Their jumbo-sized microscopes calibrated, they couldn't wait for this guy to give them an excuse to complain.
Suddenly, the first quarter of Sunday's game.
It. Was. On.
The way some "fans" were going bonkers, you would have thought Hackett was calling double-reverse flea flicker screen punts on first down.
They got what they wanted: our lousy, cheap, stuck-in-the-past FO screwed the pooch...AGAIN. What a bunch of !@#$ing losers the Bills are.
Meanwhile: reality.
He is a rookie OC. He is a young rookie OC. And through three games, the Jets have showed their defense is as every bit as good as it's been the last half-decade since Rexy took over.
Oh yeah.
We also have a rookie QB.
And not Andrew--kissed by Christ himself--Luck. We have a rookie QB whose size and intangibles are universally admired, but whose skills and abilities are questionable enough that not since Rex Grossman in 2002 has the first quarterback in a draft come off the board after so many picks.
E.J. Manuel is going to struggle this year. He already has, and he will continue to do so.
Week-to-week analyses have indicated that he's on a short playbook leash as it is, and as we've already acknowledged, he doesn't have an innovator like Chan (who by the way has nearly as many years coaching as Hackett does living) finding ways to hide his shortcomings.
Yet a certain pod of Bills fans expects the Hackett/Manuel duo--after 12 whole quarters of NFL football--to be perfect. And when they're not, they're failures, they're an excuse to pout and say "same Ole Bills."
Well, they're not the same Ole Bills. Fans shouldn't expect them to be, just like they shouldn't expect Brady/Bellicheat mastery, right out of the gate.
Execution
You can argue till you're blue in the fact about whether or not Nix was a good GM, whether or not Whaley is ready to have the keys, or whether or not Buffalo is any position to build a championship franchise...ever. But nothing changes the fact that--quietly--our team underwent a MASSIVE gutting this offseason, turning over players at skill-positions, on the line, practically all over the field.
And even if Hackett was calling double-reverse flea flicker screen punts on first down, the team can't afford to miss blocks and fail to find openings like it did on Sunday.
Missed throws, missed lanes, missed blocks, poorly run routes: if the game had been devoid of any of these, then the blame rests with the playcalling. Instead, we watched a game sick with these mistakes.
Hackett does need to do a better job of putting his players in a position to succeed, but that doesn't mean players don't have succeed in the positions they're put in.
I understand after 13 years of playoff football and after 10 consecutive losing seasons, "patience" is a damn-near impossible ask. But c'mon, folks. If you expected a 13-3 season with flawless execution and gameplanning, then you set yourself up for disappointment. Yes, we should all want the best team out there. But that doesn't mean the team's growing pains should be your pleasure. And if you can't live with those pains, there are 31 other bandwagons accepting new passengers.
GO BILLS!
A terrific post that will likley not register one iota with the pitchfork mob. Well done anyway.
- It was clearly a futile effort.
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That depends on how you look at it. I just read that the Bills and Carrington had been negotiating an extension, but couldn't come to an agreement. This injury will most likely impact Carrington's ability to receive that long term offer again; from us or any other team. Injury is the risk these players and agents take. In this case, Parker left the money on the table in favor of playing the odds that Carrington wouldn't get hurt and compromise his future. Not saying it was wrong just that he said no to the offer and left it on the table.
It's the old byrd in the hand argument.
GO BILLS!!!
Yes, Parker probably advised his client to take the risk. Too bad for Carrington. Is he advising Byrd to be "extra cautious" with his "injury"? Who really knows - he certainly put Byrd in the situation he is in - but it is apparent to me based on Byrd's statements that he is slow rolling his return to minimize risk. (i.e. he "played through it last year, but this year he needs to be 100%") He is of essentially no value to the Bills this year. I hope it costs him in the end, but it is likely some desperate team will give him what he wants next year anyway. Let the buyer beware. He is showing himself to be a selfish punk, and next year those legs will be another year older, no matter how much time he spends sitting on the bench this year resting his poor sore feet.
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Here's the reality for all you EJ apologists. If you can't accurately predict the career trajectory of a qb after 73 minute playing time of regular season football in his rookie year, well, you ain't paying attention.
Are you actually being serious here? This is one of the crazier things I have read this week and there have been many insane posts.
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- Pressure all day
- Running game is predictable
- EJ is in bad third downs all day
- Does Hacket have a CLUE of how to give his ROOKIE QB a safety valve....where where the FB passes to the flat
- Screens?
EJ Manuel did not play well today.....did people really think there were not going to be bumps in the road this season? He was sacked what.....7 times? I feel like Hackett had his nose in "The complete idiots guide to offense" and was running it chapter by chapter....since when is it a good idea to play power football with CJ Spiller.....where was the hot read for EJ?
And what is this moronic "but Geno played well so EJ should have done it to" Were the jets missing their top defensive backs like were? Were the jets missing their top safety like we were? Do you HONESTLY think McKelvin or Gilmore would have been burned all day like Justin Rogers was? Marcel Darius? We were decimated by injuries going into this game and just kept taking more as the game goes on.
Come on people get grip
Thank for a well reasoned, logical and unemotional post. Now I will cease reading TSW until next week.
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Either the Giants are all-time awful or Carolina was a better win that we thought... 38-0 in the 3rd qtr?
The giants are off to a tough start for sure, but Carolina is pretty good.
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It's the NYC bias. They still believe Rex will eat up a rookie QB, but they forget Pettine is also facing a rookie QB.
Exactly. I think the Bills have the advantage in this matchup. Pettine know Ryan and should be able to help the game plan counter the expected defense. Ryan does not have this advantage with regard to the Bills offense. Advantage Buffalo. On Defense, while Ryan certainly knows Pettine, Pettine is not simply running Ryan's defense, but being creative with his own ideas. Advantage Buffalo. EJ vs. Geno - advantage Buffalo. Running game - advantage Buffalo. Receivers - advantage Buffalo.
If EJ can beat their aggressive pressure at the line and the short zones to hit some mid-range throws early in the game, it could be a long day for the Jets. I expect Buffalo to win this game. It could be a close 1 or 2 point low scoring affair, but I would not be surprised with a 34 - 13 score either.
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If the Jersey Jets show up and do anything less then trying to put our lights out I will be surprised. This is a team that plays with their back in the corner a lot and they thrive doing it. They will come at us fully charged and trying to lay a lick in. Our OL is going to be tested, Spiller is going to be knocked around, and Jackson is going to be hit all over - high and low. Lets hope the Zebras keep it clean.
I expect the Bills to give it back to them this time, not back down. That is the difference.
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The Eagles were bad last year, and adding the flashy new coach and system did not suddenly make them good. Vick is and always has been very limited as a QB. McCoy is good, Jackson is good, Peters is over rated. The Eagles need a culture change, not just a system change, and Kelly needs a better QB to run his system.
The Chiefs are a talented team that suffered last year due to bad coaching, even worse quarterbacking, and decimating injuries. Alex Smith is no superstar but he is worlds better than what they have had, and Andy Reid is a great coach. They are going to be tough all year.
Very happy the Bills did not "win" the Chip Kelly sweepstakes. I think he will be an epic failure in Philly.
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i don't think he was ever "not cleared". that's probably why he got a second opinion. he did say he played through it last year. so what, is it that much WORSE this year? despite resting it for 8 months, which is supposedly the only treatment? that doesn't make much sense. his own words betray his thoughts, he played through it before and this year he said he's not going out there until he's "100%". what more do we need to hear to believe he's milking it?
This is the only way to interpret his words and actions in my opinion.
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I am confident the Bills defense can handle the Jets offense. It will really be about Manuel being able to find open targets in the face of what I expect will be an attempt by the Jets to flood the short zones with defenders and confuse Manuel with multiple rush looks. I would expect the deep plays to be open all day. The Bills will need to be able to complete passes down the seem and deep sidelines to pull the Jets out of a smothering short yardage look. Fitzpatrick was never able to beat this defense.
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As I watched the Wall of Famers receive their jackets on Sunday it just seemed that the team that has been created on the field for this season finally has elements that made prior teams winners. Booker Edgerson and Billy Shaw from the championship years ... Joe D and Fergie from the Electric Company era ... Kelly, Andre, and Thurman from the 90's. Teams that wanted to win and teams that played hard on the field.
Since the turn of the century there has been one clear element missing from each team that has come out of the tunnel and that has been a hunger for winning. There have been players that wanted to win obviously and no athlete shows up to lie down on the field. However, the hunger and the commitment to winning just never has seemed as apparent as what I am sensing from Doug Marrone's team. Watching the veteran leadership in Fred Jackson as well as the exuberance of Eric Wood whose swagger has to energize his teammates and then there is EJ, just a kid. EJ has the "it" factor and every interviewer who has commented on their conversations with EJ whether local or national media all refer to how he controls the room. His teammates talk about his confidence and we are just beginning to see his abilities.
Since my first Bills game the Rockpile in 1962 versus the Dallas Texans through this Sunday, I have always "bled Bills' red, white and blue" but I am so looking forward to more dancing and shouting post game moments like this past Sunday. We are headed in the right direction and I know that on home game Sunday's there is no other place that I would rather be at than THE RALPH to cheer my Buffalo Bills as a proud member of the WALL OF FAME!
Great post.
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