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11 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
I will say this. As two teams looking to make a trade, this makes a lot of sense. I’m sure Florio is just blowing smoke but the Broncos need 2025 capital so they can take a QB next year or rebuild their roster.
The Bills have 2025 capital to give, but the question is will Odunze be there at 12. I find it hard to believe but Odunze is a Buffalo guy. Humble hard worker who doesn’t show diva traits that could be Allen’s # 1 for the next 8 years or so.
Bills give up 2025 1st and 28 and maybe a 5th this year should get it done
I think the chance Odunze makes it #12 are <25%; if he does, Beane should be all over trading up for Denver's pick. Unlike one poster said, "Odunze is very good at everything but not elite at anything," I 100% disagree; he's elite or near elite in every category.
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6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Hot take.
Javon Baker > Xavier Legette.
I would not argue with this as a distinct possibility.
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1 hour ago, wppete said:
Hopefully a small trade back and we draft both of them in the 2nd round.
Neither will make it to rd 2 if Buffalo passes. Ladd, whom may go before Buffalo picks anyway, would likely be drafted by KC (think about that for a second), and all indications are CAR will take Legette at 33. I would take Ladd at 28 and try to get Baker, Rice, Polk or that Rice receiver (brother of the great SF RB)
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3 hours ago, DJB said:
Tez Walker has so many red flags I really hope we don’t take him
What are the red flags, I haven't heard of them. 4.3 speed isn't one of them. I like Ladd at #28 (if a trade up for Thomas JR isn;t possible) then Walker or Baker at #60 or a slight trade down from #60. I can be talked out of Walker, I guess. I really think Baker is underrated
36 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:I don’t want either Legette or McConkey and I agree on the later. He’s a very good WR but why have 3 of the same type of WR on our team. We need a legitimate #1 WR who can also stretch the field
I disagree. We have nobody on the roister like Legette and although Ladd has qualities that are similar to Shakir, Ladd played outside (non-slot) over 70% of the time last year. You can never get Josh too many separators (he throws to open receivers not via anticipation) and Ladd is the best separator in the draft
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22 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:
Troy Franklin worries me a lot as the Bills first pick. Now I don’t watch enough college football to make educated analysis of who are the best players to draft. But I do read and listen to many of the so-called experts this time of year.
One of my favorite guys is Joe Marino of the Locked On Bills podcast. This is what he said about Troy Franklin, “He plays small. I think he’s going to get beat up at the NFL level.”
Whatever wide receiver Buffalo picks in this draft I just hope it’s a guy with great upside. Franklin would be pretty far down on my list.
Franklin would be a good pick at 60, they’re not taking him at 28
joe Marino loves Legette, way more than most. He’s #4 on his WR list, over Thomson Jr. Too high for my liking but his character traits are great and I wouldn’t mind him at #28 or a slight trade back
10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I get it, I’ve had similar thoughts about his size with other bigger options on the board. All my talk about Franklin is just based on things being said and how much they met with him.
My preference is Thomas and I also really like McConkey, Polk, and Mitchell. I’m not down on Franklin, I’m just worried about any smaller frame WR in the bad elements in Buffalo when the speed gets negated some and the game gets more physical.
Im really starting to think Thomas gets to 20-22 range and if that is who Beane wants he can go get him potentially without giving up a first next year which is Beanes known preference (not giving up a future first). I actually think it’s possible Thomas could fall to 28 if he makes it to the 20’s, he would just need to prob get past Dallas and avoid other trade ups. That would be the perfect scenario, although a big risk waiting it out to find out. Which is why I have no doubt Beane won’t risk it if he is close and go get him ASSUMING Thomas is their target.If Thomas jr falls to the late teens, Beane should be doing all he can to trade up. #28, #133 and a 2015 second should get it done??
I think the difference between Thomas Jr and the 3rd tier wr’s is wide.
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3 hours ago, LEBills said:
Two more all targets - Legette and Baker
Love both of these guys. Legette is definitely a consideration at 28, though I’d like a trade down into the 30s then grab him. Baker would be one of my favorite WRs in the draft if he had a little bit more speed. 60 is too early for Baker and he probably doesn’t last to 128, but would love a combo of Ladd, worthy, Legette or Thomas jr with our first pick, and baker in the 80s or 90s with a trade up.
Thomas jr at 17 (trading 28, minnesota’s 2015 2nd and a 4th)
Baker at 95ish - trading 128 and the other 4th to move up
I’m not sure of my math, but I think those trades are fairly economical/reasonable
i think Thomas jr would be a huge upgrade from Davis, and believe it or not, I believe Baker’s ceiling is Diggs. His pass route running is excellent and his size and speed is slightly better than Diggs
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2 hours ago, Brand J said:
All the mocks I saw had Jefferson in the first. I remember the two main “knocks” against him were:
Is he primarily a slot receiver? And…
He wasn’t even the best receiver on that LSU team. The number one guy comes out next year (Chase).Jefferson was of course a missed evaluation on all those who selected receiver before him, as well as Beane for not seeing the potential outside his top 3 of Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb. He also didn’t see the potential of those two Ole Miss receivers a year earlier.
Like you, I believe there will be guys who ultimately go on to produce more than one or two of the top 3 names in this draft. It’s one of the reasons I’m against trading up.
Agreed. I think Legette may be the guy, huge upside but sizable downside.
I love Ladd but he admittedly does have a limited ceiling, I think. Still if Ladd ends up being a “faster/quicker” Cole Beasley, nobody is going to complain about a guy with 90 catches, 1100 yards and 8 tds a year.
my best draft idea is Ladd at 28 and trade 60 and a 2nd in 2015 for the low 40s to grab Legette.the way Josh was talking about Legette (“the dude has the best southern drawl”) leads me to believe he’s someone they’re considering
2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:I think the bigger concern is effort and whether he is willing to take coaching. The rumors about Mitchell are concerning, but we don’t know if they are true. I trust that the Bills have done a ton of research on these receivers.
Mitchell’s workout numbers are as impressive as any wr in the draft, given his size, but his onfield production is mediocre. The Bills talk about YAC a lot and he’s absolutely terrible at YAC. Is this something that can improve possibly with a different use by the Bills? Not sure, but, it is a reason why I think he’s not being targeted by the Bills
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48 minutes ago, Brand J said:
If the Bills had simply drafted Jefferson instead of traded for Diggs, I believe they’d have at least one SB by now (provided Jefferson stayed as healthy as Diggs).
If they had taken Metcalf or AJ Brown in the 2nd instead of Cody Ford, that’s even more compensation the team could’ve kept to hit on other players.Give me any draft and team and I’ll tell you what they could have done better. Jefferson wasn’t even a consensus 1st rd pick. It’s like 4 years from now and Mitchell or legette end up being the best wr in this draft
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26 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
There's one team that could help, if they want to trade up for 60....and that's Washington.
78 and 100 = 60 on Rich Hill chart.
That would be a trade that Beane should do in a heartbeat. Give us a chance to add some combo of DL/S, where the value should meet the need
Agreed - 78 is also a nice spot for a 2nd receiver (Walker, baker, etc).
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17 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
And Mcbeane wants /needs both of those at some point. Earlier
Get the best WR you can and then take what falls.
I am getting more on board with trading next years second to lock down a WR who will affect the game day one.
Who that is , I wont profess to surmise. But I have my druthers
Agreed - my dream senario is Thomas jr (small trade up in rd 1) then pass at 40 (if he makes it there??) using pick 60 and a 2nd next year. You’d have two 2024 difference makers. Fill in the holes with 128, 133 and the other 6 picks.
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17 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
Yeah 60 is a bad spot for pretty much all our need positions except safety and although not a huge need IOL.
It looks like 60 isn’t ideal for wr unless a tier 3 guy slips to there which is possible but not likely (Legette, Franklin, Coleman, Polk). 60 is also too early for the 4th tier, Walker, baker, Florida guy, Michigan guy
but, 60 does look like a really good spot for a DT or DE
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6 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:
I don’t think a huge trade-up is in play, but Beane always moves up a couple of slots to get his guy.
I think if Thomas jr last until the last teens he’ll try to trade up. Otherwise sit and hope Mitchell lasts to 28. Ladd is an option at 28 but drafting him would require a 2nd one being drafted quicker.
28 ladd
45 (trade from 60 using a later pick and/or maybe a 2025 3rd): Franklin, Legette, coleman - whomever last. If all gone, pick Walker or baker at 60 or with a slight trade down form 60.
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2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
I would love for the Bills to get a combo of Xaxier Leggette and Malik Washington. I don't care about Washington size the kid is a baller.
I would love to get Mitchell at 28 and Ladd at 40 (trade up with 60 and a 2025 2nd).
with no trades, Ladd at 28 and see who’s left at 60. Walker certainly will be, as will Baker, but maybe Legette, Franklin or Polk slides to 60.
either of these senarios would give us a better wr group than any in recent memory. Out other needs (DE, S, DT, OL) can be filled with out multiple 4th, 5th and 6th round picks
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Disagree. Any of the top 3 WR’s have the potential to be immediate top 10 players at the position with Allen.
MHJ has the work ethic and drive. He said his goal is to be the best WR to ever play.
I don’t expect it to happen, and I’ll likely be excited about whoever we end up taking…
but I would trade 28, 2025 1st, 2nd, 2nd to get one of them. & I’d add for MHJ
I think you’d have to add to that to move up enough for any of them, unless one of them drops to the 9 range
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35 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
I gotcha bud. I'm in the same frame of mind. But I really do like McConkey. I just wonder how many "slot" WRs we can truly use and thrive. A lack of diversity might bite us in the ass eventually. I guess we'll find out soon enough👍
Ladd lined up at slot very little in college. He line up outside >70% of the time. Ladd, Shakir, and Kinkaid playing off each other would be great. Josh isn’t an anticipation thrower, he throws when he sees someone open. Nobody separates better than Ladd in this draft, including the big 3. His yac is great too. Weakness is getting away form bump and run, but that can be aleviated through motion.
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And which WR in the draft gets the most separation and YAC?
Ladd - maybe too much duplication but if not, I think he’s their guy. 1 or 2 WRs, with Walker, baker, rice, etc to follow
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28 and a late 2nd next year doesn't get you close to 17. Though I would trade more to move up to 17 if Thomas II makes it to 17
Burton is a bad person, off many boards, probably off Buffalo's board
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28 Ladd
60 plus 2025 2nd for 40 - Legette
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3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
I would much rather see the Buffalo Bills make a trade with SF for Aiyuk than trade the resources to move up in the draft to take one of the top three. Aiyuk is a sure thing #1 WR and not a maybe or someone that might take years to develop into a #1...if ever.
Harrison and nebors are sure things and Odunze is a 75% sure thing. I Think;
if nebors or Harrison last to 6, they call the giants
if Odunze lasts to 9 they call atlanta
if Thomas II last to high teens they make a call
otherwise they pick their fav at 28. Mine would be Ladd at 28 and trade 60 + a 4th this year and a 3rs next year for 40 and grab legette, Franklin, Coleman, Polk - whomever is left and whomever they like
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I'd take Legette, Mitchell and Worthy as my next 3 after the top 3 plus Thomas (although I'd take Legette over Thomas personally) and I'd take Franklin, Coleman and Baker before Pearsall and Wilson. McConkey is right in the middle of that group for me.... after Legette, Mitchell and Worthy but before the rest.
I can’t wrap my head around worthy. Super fast 40 but he’s not a one trick pony as he had 3 years of nice production. Still I don’t know if I could draft him early??
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52 minutes ago, CookieG said:
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29. Adonai Mitchell WR Texas -the no brainer of no brainers.
73. Kris Jenkins DT Michigan - the DT corps begins its rebuild.
83. Dadrion Taylor-Demerson S Texas Tech Good athlete and smart.
99. Brandon Coleman OG TCU - 3 year left tackle but will play guard. I thought he looked good at the Senior Bowl. Long arms and big hands. He can always fill in at tackle in a pinch.
128. Javon Baker WR UCF - a good addition to the WR corps, not as fast as Mitchell but can get open deep and over the middle. Would go higher in most other years.
133. Mohamed Kamara EDGE Colorado State A fire plug who works angles, runs a 4.5 and had great production in college.
144. Gabe Hall DT Baylor - I just like the way he was getting around people in Senior Bowl practices. I see him moving to DT in passing situations. Or.. He could be a tweener We'll find out
160. Khristian Boyd DT Nothern Iowa - The Bills have had visits with him About the size of Daquan Jones
163. Trey Taylor S Air Force My true sleeper. Jim Thorpe award winner, 3 year starter, did pretty good at his pro day Smart
204. Myles Cole EDGE Texas Tech a true project, someone just needs to figure out how to use him
*traded down one pick to the Lions and gave them 200 in. They gave me 29 and 73. No idea why they did, but Ill take it.
**traded 60 and neext year's 6th for 83 and 99,
Yeah some of their trade proposals make no sense. When I get the one like your DET one I ignore it cuz not realistic
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4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Favorite Combos
BTJ & Xavier Legette
BTJ & Troy Franklin
Xavier Legette & Xavier Worthy
who we’ll take: Coleman & Polk 🤣😪
I want Ladd at 28 and Legette, Coleman or Franklin at 45 (trade up from 60). If no trade up, Ladd and Walker or baker -
23 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
Move up what 2 spots?
Elam and 28 for 33
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19 minutes ago, mannc said:
So we’ve already been eliminated? Interesting.
Damn, I guess there’s no reason to watch now? It’s like when KC traded Hill and their Super Bowl chances dissipated.
NFL draft rumors 2024
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I think Franklin has lost some steam with his poor combine (even if he was sick) and his light frame. I think there’s a better chance of him being available at #60 (albeit only a slight chance) than the Bills picking him at 28 (no chance)