Virgil
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Then I think Luck absolutely declares.
So far btw, Luck looks a little sluggish. That deep ball had some zip though, and looked fairly effortless
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Yeah, I think the Tebow hype is real there. But, if they do decide to do the full regime and philosophy change, it wouldn't surprise me too much.
I do think that Luck's declaring will be determined by if Harbaugh leaves. I know the 49ers want him also, but they have no chance at Luck.
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Apparentely, Elway is there.
Watch Elway bring both Harbaugh in as coach, then get Luck as his QB. Wouldn't the media just love that.
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I see the problem here. Your perception of upgrading the team is skewed. Our front 7 is the weakest group on the team, and you believe that trying to upgrade that group in the draft is "throwing in the towel". Even if the players we drafted for our front 7 turn out to be good starters, where is the depth then? Injuries and suspensions are a constant in the NFL and you never have enough talent at any position. Unless of course 4-12 is your goal. When the Jets lost Jenkins at NT they seemed to have a guy that could readily step in there and do the job. Jenkins' backup would start ahead of any of our NTs, and that is the opposite of what we always seem to have on this team. Everyone was crying that we had 3 RBs to start the season, and guess what, those same d*******s today forget that 2 of them were injured to start the season.
What's to remember is the real question.
Again, I'm not saying they are good. Read what I actually said. I'm concerned that Nix and Gailey will want to give them more time before spending a first rounder.
If it were up to me, and Luck isn't available, I'm trading back or getting Fairley
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Good news is, that's the guy the broncos probably want.
Bad news is, we will pry trade up to 1st to still get him
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you mean 3rd?
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Again, I watched the same team that you all did this year and agree with everything that you are saying.
But I just don't think that Nix is going to throw in the towel on any of the guys who he has only had for one year.
I admit I forgot about Merriman btw, but I'm not going to count on him until I see him run 2 yards without breaking a nail
As for my reverse psychology approach. Yes, i'm all for them drafting Luck. But that isn't going to happen and there isn't another qb i'd take first overall.
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Can someone post the value board for draft picks? I'm curious to see what the Bills would need to do to jump to 1 if Luck declares. Also, on the flip, curious to see what the Bills would get back if they traded down to 5th or 10th.
Just for fun
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No, not at all. But I don't think Nix is going to go after the front 7 when he has guys who he brought in to address that after only one year.
Again, I think that the OLB would be a no-brainer, but I don't think there is a top 3 pick guy worthy of that honor
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John Fox, Marvin Lewis, or Wade Philips (not gonna happen) would be nice
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I see Whitner gone and don't care. Poz, I see coming back. In fact, I'm praying for him to come back and add David Harris from the Jets (who I don't think the Jets have the money to re-sign).
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Gailey and Nix want "their" guys and I believe they have them, unless we are planning on going back to a 4-3 next year, and even still, I'm concerned.
This is our front current front 7:
LE - Stroud/Carringon (3rd round pick last year)
DT - Williams/Troup (2nd round pick last year)
RE - Edwards/Kelsay (Signed last offseason and just signed extension)
LOLB - Moats (picked up strong in second half
MLB - Poz, Davis (Could absolutely use help, but no one worthy of our first pick)
ROLB -?????
Now, please tell me if I'm wrong, but the only hole to fill, is OLB. And, from what I understand, Bowers is not built for that position. He is a 4-3 DE who is too small to play that position in a 3-4 and would be Kelsay/Maybin like in coverage. I do hear that he is a freak talent, so maybe that's what we try, but I have to really wonder.
I agree that our run D is pathetic, but I don't know who Gailey would get rid of. These are all his guys and I don't see him giving up on the new FA's or rookies after one season.
Just call it a bad feeling for those who want Bowers or Fairly
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So, just to play devil's advocate. Where do we need help that Nix and Gailey will be okay going after?
We have:
DE - Carrington (Round 3 Pick), Edwards (FA pick-up last year), Kelsay (Signed extension this season)
DT - Williams (Pro Bowl Alternate), Troup (Round 2 Pick).
I'm not saying that any of you are wrong, but there is a part of me that thinks the FO is going to let these guys mesh another year. At the most, draft for depth in later rounds, but not give up on any of these guys who have only been with the team for a year or just got signed.
Bowers is the only guy I could see, but from what I hear, the guy is a 4-3 DE and wouldn't make it as a 3-4 DE and I could see us being afraid to try another Maybin type conversion. Especially with the way the team feels about Moat's progression.
Don't ask me why, but I am just terrified that we are going to go CB or SS and reach.
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Scenario's as I see them:
Carolina - If Luck declares, may be too hard to pass up. However, team is run kinda like the Bills and they may not want to spend that kind of money. Also, they are way worse than us and have a ton more holes to fill. I have to think their first priority is to listen to offers. If they do stand pat, then I wonder if they don't go for the cheaper option and pass on the Luck, Bowers, and Fairly. All three of those guys play positions that ask for 70 mil. Plus, as horrible as he was to start, I hear the Clausen movement has gained some support and they may be willing to build around him. Also, as we see every year, there is always a ridiculous amount of hype in the offseason that builds up players to top 3 status that we aren't even talking about now. There is a large part of me that see's Cam Newton having a huge game that could make him the #1 overall pick over Luck. I disagree with the choice if it happens, but wouldn't be surprised.
Denver - I think there is enough Tebow love out there where they will be willing to pass on a QB. Like Carolina, they have a ton of holes, especially on Defense. With the Fairly and Bowers there, I think they def go there. However, if Carolina passes on Luck, I also could see people trading to get ahead of us afraid we will take Luck.
Buffalo - I think everyone is going to be really upset with what we do. I think that with Kyle Williams and Troup as our 2nd last year, we will not go DT. I think there may be some fear from Maybin and the idea of getting a 4-3 DE to convert to OLB is scary. Also, with the way Moats played, I could see them feeling we are okay there.
So, what will they do? If Luck is there, I think he will still want #1 money and we will pass. And I will lose my mind. Who they will take, I don't know. But we have no reason to believe that Ralph will bust out the wallet. I think a trade back is what Ralph will want, but that is not Nix's MO. No matter what, I don't see Fairly, Bowers, or Luck in a Bills uniform next year.
With that being said, passing on Luck or not trading up to 1st to get him, I think will haunt us for years to come. I think he will be that good. I'm talking Matt Ryan, immediate good. Watch the kid play. He is cerebral like Peyton, physical like Big Ben, and quick like Rodgers. This kid will be an absolute star. Nothing against Fitz, but the upgrade would be too much to pass on.
But pass on him, we will...
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I don't know what's worse. That, or winning the division and going to the playoffs with a losing record...
Personally, I think the Raiders deserve the playoffs over the Rams/Seahawks winner
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The Bills closed the season by scoring 17 points or fewer in six straight games. Buffalo has lost 15 of its last 18 divisional games overall ~Via ESPN Recap
Yes, we saw some signs of life at times and we were last in run defense, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would make it seem
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So, maybe i'm reaching too far on this thought. But in reading some articles about the new head coach in Carolina, I read a lot of similarities to the Bills about not spending money.
When I read this, and think about other years where people would not pick the clear-cut number one prospect in the draft because they don't want to pay them, it leads me to believe that we will see some twists in this years draft.
My Prediction: If Luck declares, he will either go 1st overall to whatever team trades up to the first overall pick, or he will fall to 3rd because neither the Bills nor Panthers will want to pay him.
I'm not betting my house on this nor do I claim to be a Panthers fan. But from what I can see about how they handle their star players in FA and what I am hearing about how their head coaching search will go, they sound a lot like the Bills in the FO. Think Peppers, what they plan to do with their RB's.
I tell you though, if Luck is there and we pass on him, it will take a long time for me to get over that move.
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Maybe I'm just lying to myself when I watch the game, but in these situations I will watch the game cheering them to win, but not be upset at all if they lose. I'll be happy if they win, but the next day wish they had lost a close one.
It's hard to control how you genuinly feel in the moment. I'll always want them to win. But if we do, come April, I'll be thinking about this game as the one that cost us 3-5 spots
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As we grow closer to the last game of the season and we are seeing where we will draft, and the talks now of Luck maybe not coming out, I wonder about some things...
1) If Harbaugh is truly being thought of for a head coaching job this offseason (rumors of SanFran), then I would think that Luck would come out, knowing he is going to probably be #1 overall, possibly be the last year of huge rookie contracts, and not want to go through learning a new coach.
2) Is there any way to find the current strength of schedule? I want to know before the Jets game what our scenarios are in comparison to the Broncos and Bengals. Can we still get the 2nd pick? If not, where would we be if we win and fall into the cluster of 5 win teams. (For the record, I know there are many people out there who say true fans don't hope for their team to lose. But honestly, if I see a game where we lose and still put in a good effort that showed progress, then i'd be okay with that. No one is going to care next year whether we were 4-12 or 5-11, but I guarantee you we will be upset when the guy we want goes a spot ahead of us because we took it to the Jet's back-ups. Not that I know that will happen)
3) In the top 5 picks, who are the teams that need QB's. Clausen, from what I can tell, has been looking better and apparently plays behind a worse offensive line than us with worse receivers. Tebow just had a 300 yard, winning game and is a huge fan favorite. I've head that Cinncy doesn't plan to pick up Palmer's large extension, so they could be legit QB hunters. I could see all of them in the market, but Carolina has a ton of holes and Denver may as well if they try to adopt a new scheme in the offseason. Orton also did pretty well for them. For the Bills, i'm not saying that Fitz is or isn't the answer. I think that if Luck is there for us, I would take him. But I think someone would trade down ahead of us for him or he won't come out.
4) If Luck doesn't come out, I still think we are going to see the same QB hype that we see every year before the draft. Last year, it was all about Jake Locker if he came out, but then Bradfor shot up the boards. I'm curious to see if Mallet or Locker will do the same thing. For me, I'd be all for the Bills going to Luck if he comes out and there as he is, in my opinion, a special talent. If not, I have to wonder what our trade options will be to other teams who want to trade up for these guys if they project up.
5) If we pick 2-5, are there any non-qb's that are can't miss type guys. I haven't followed any of these defensive guys like Bowers to know if they are game-changers. I also hear this is a weak offensive line draft. I'd love to hear about some guys that we are holding out for.
6) If what I hear is true for the upcoming FA market. I would absolutely spend some money on Dave Harris from the Jets. I wanted us to draft this guy and I don't know if the Jets have the money to re-sign him. They have some WR's who need to get paid too. I would easily pay him top 5 money. I think he is an immediate impact player for us and save's the draft pick. Same goes for the many options at TE. If we can only knock out just two positions in FA and focus on the Offensive line and some Defensive Specialists, that would be great.
7) As this season comes to an end, these are some of the positions I feel could use a change:
- Woods to Center. Dude has been money and you can move Hartgarner back to Guard.
- Kelsay back to DE. Just let it happen as it's the only place he doesn't look lost and actually seems to play better now that the line is bigger.
- Moats to continue to start as our premier pass rusher.
- Fitz, i'm good with him having another year if Luck isn't an option. I wouldn't waste a pick on that position until the later rounds.
- Lee Evans, I would listen to offers. Maybe from Carolina or Washington. I'd take a 3rd for him. The guy just isn't what he is worth. I don't have any hate for him. Just not the guy we need for the money.
- Whitner for 5 mil a year and that's it. I don't care about how the team tracks their own personal stats, the guy is not worth top safety money cause the dude just doesn't make big plays. 7 mil a year is big play money. I'm okay with Scott and Byrd back there.
I'm not really trying to start a debate here or state anything as facts, this is just the way I see some things for the team. Feel free to add your two cents.
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The Philly offer being there upfront is the sticking point for me I think.
If they didn't really come in to play until the end, then I get it. But i've heard that Philly was the "other" team for a few weeks. At the end of the day, if he knew Philly was making him an offer and knew that's where he really wanted to be, then I'm not a fan of what he did to the Yankees, and moreso the Rangers.
LeBron and Dwayne are much worse since I'm almost positive they knew what they were doing.
And for those who say I shouldn't care about them. Am I losing sleep and making voodoo dolls? No. But in the sports world where I do care, then yeah, I care. The same way anyone who posts on these boards care enough to express their opinion. So i'm not quite getting the "better than" mentality some are giving off.
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Cliff Lee straight up said, I went to where my heart was. That's not insight, that's what he said. He said that's where he really wanted to be all along. Feel free to reference any of his statements.
And by stringing teams along, I mean by having these owners and GM's fly out to his house on multiple locations, and also re-up their offers. Again, that happened and can be referenced. Would you go to a job interview that you have no desire to take? Once offered, would you tell them you are looking for more to get them to bring a new offer?
That is what I base this on.
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So again, let me say that I have no problems with where these guys ended up playing. Like many of you said, they were free agents and have the right to go wherever they want.
The only thing that bothers me is how they appear to be stringing along the fans and teams to believe that they ever intended to sign with them.
If Lee's heart was always in Philly and that's where he wanted to be for his family and son, then great. Understood. Then why make the Rangers and Yankees think they have a chance? Why the multiple visits. Why make statements about "we" when talking about next year in Texas. Like LeBron, Dwayne, and Lee, don't mess with people. Say hey, I want to be a Philly. And then negotiate. And if they won't give you the money, which is not gonna happen with that level of production, then talk to other teams.
Again, I think I was pretty clear around what I was calling out. So for those with the envy comment or saying they can do whatever, please read the whole post before making a comment and making derogatory statements.
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No, this isn't football, but I'm see a trend here that I think we will see in the NFL sooner or later.
First off, let me say that I think that sports players are no different than any other players. Once Free Agents, they have the right to sign wherever they want and for as much as they want. If we draft a guy, and he plays well for us, but has always been a Panthers fan growing up, I wouldn't hate on him for leaving for them.
Here is what just kills me though, and I now just hate LeBron and Cliff Lee for doing so. Both of these guys seemed to know exactly where they were intending to play. Same goes for Dwayne Wade. Yet, the minute they have the opportunity to sign somewhere, they don't. They let other teams think they have a chance to sign them, have visits with different GM's and owners, field offers, and then obviously go to their original team of choice.
Wade spent days in Chicago making the team and fans think they were possibly going to sign him.
LeBron fielded visits from many different teams at his house, and then had that circus announcement on TV, like he just make up his mind that morning.
And now Cliff Lee, who strung along the Rangers, having them make an offer larger than any other in their franchise. Add more years than they wanted. Took two revised offers from the Yankees. And then, takes less money than both offers to sign with the Philly's cause that is where his heart was at. The same team that traded him for prospects the previous year. The same team that showed no public interest until he got template offers from the Rangers and Yankees. And then, he has the nerve to say that the only reason he didn't sign with the Rangers was because they didn't offer him a 7th year. He only signed a 5 year deal with the Philly's?!?.
I think these guys do these things because they are trying to make the fans think it was a tough choice for them and it wasn't about the money in the end. To me, I think these guys are total a-holes for stringing the fans and teams along when they knew from day one what they want. That's like dating the friend to get to your real girl. Shopping at Best Buy for the product knowledge, and buying at Wal-Mart. Trying all 31 flavors and not buying a cone.
I don't know. Tell me if i'm wrong. But these guys are right on my list after Vick.
VaTech vs Stanford
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Looks like Luck has finally got it going. Dude can make all the throws. Cerebral as hell.
I shouldn't be watching this game cause all it's gonna do is get my hopes up