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I'd give this off-season a B+. Just needed a TE like Ebron or Hooper to give it an A. Yes I would have over-paid Hooper like the Browns to have a sure-handed guy to help with the offense. I really believe in investing in Allen's success. If you traded so much to get him, give him all the confidence in the world.
Love our off-season and really I can't complain. I guess they see more in Knox than I do.
Sometimes the greatest gift you can give to a young QB is confidence and having a huge target for those harder throws is worth every penny in his development. Hooper wasn't a 20 mil splurge. For a guy with 1 drop I would have paid it for Allen alone.
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1 hour ago, whorlnut said:
If you are indeed a fan of the Bills, then why are you arguing so hard against Allen? Is it because you have a burning desire to be right that you can’t let it go? We should all want him to succeed, but you are seeming to make it your mission to trash him and tell us all why he won’t. It’s pretty sad.
It was a question that I answered. I wasn't arguing against him. Pointing out facts is not against a person to succeed. I want him to succeed. The truth is I've never said otherwise. Your bias won't allow you to see I have no animus against the guy. I just don't think he's a good QB as of right now. I hope he is, I've always said so. I'm happy about the Diggs trade and I hope he had Hooper to bail him out if he's getting flushed out of the pocket as a big target.
Let's pretend he succeeds incredibly and is our QB for 15 years and his decline is evident. Will pointing that out reduce my fandom as well or only when he's young?
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40 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
So in response to the idea that you changed the argument to fit a narrative, you decided to...change the argument to fit a narrative? ?Dude, just use TD%; it provides all of the context that you’re pretending to want: it tells you how often a QB throws a TD pass relative to how many passing attempts that QB has.
Easy as it gets. And it isn’t like it props up Allen outrageously; he’s 18th. The problem is that you’re emotionally invested in an outcome, and that won’t allow you to be objective here.
Objectively, anywhere between 16 and 25 is a defensible take on Allen. Problem is that whackos come in here with these “bottom 5” type takes and then have to make things up or twist and flail wildly to shoehorn some barely-applicable statistic into becoming the de facto case.
And for the record, no, you didn’t make a fact-based argument. He isn’t bottom 5 in passing TDs, and factoring in TD-passes on a per-attempt basis actually raises his ranking relative to the guys you mention above.
Just look at it honestly and you won’t get hammered. @Biscuit_97 is a pretty big Allen doubter and he manages to stay grounded in his points the vast majority of the time.
My facts weren't wrong, neither are yours. I don't dispute your argument or your facts. Your argument has merit and mine does as well.
Your argument is he throws at a higher percent of TDs per attempt and that's a better measure. Fine that's a good argument. Mine was as a starter for a season he is in the bottom 5 of TDs thrown and that has merit as well meaning you have to deliver with your arm as a QB no matter how many attempts you have. If you have less attempts that is also a measure of completion % giving you less chances. We'll see how this pans out next year, I'm not discussing it anymore, I don't have time.
Also, I'm going to get hammered for anything about Josh. Biscuit gets slammed too. He's not slam free. No amount of "grounding" stops people from calling you names, strangely if you did the same it would be seen as "crude" or "emotional" because you're the heel and they are championing the hero, or watch how insulting people are calling me a bull****** and no one calls them out for incivility. It's a strange hypocrisy.
I've read this forum for years and the other forum when it still existed and posted in them 15 years ago. Losman was championed, EJ was championed, and the slightest regress of Captain Checkdown because he was a 4th rounder was tolerated. I see how emotional people are when discussing 1st round QBs and in the incivility against people is tolerated when it's in favor of 1st round QBs.
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8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
You are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts.Except I used facts, facts that don't fit narrative.
Look it's a fact so much so that all people who disagree say is "He changed the argument". Gotta say if that's the best you have you know you don't have an argument.
Let's try this again since I'm against "facts". He finished bottom 5 in starters for QBs thrown. Unless you want to factor in back-ups and guys that played 10 games that's the truth. He played a full season and was in the bottom 5.
The only QBs he finished above was Brissett, Dalton, tied Murray, tied Fitz, & Trubisky. Sorry I didn't include the back-up Kyle Murray.
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16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
I never understand why fans get upset when facts are pointed out about Josh Allen? He needs to get better. Pretty obvious.
I don't dislike Josh. My problem is with blind loyalists who don't demand more of our starting QB.
I've been banging the drum to get him more weapons on offense for 2 seasons now. I desperately wanted this team to draft Mercalf last year to pair with Josh. I was all aboard "trading for Julio or Diggs" before they ever became realistic options.
I'm one of the very few on this board that wants Beane to sign a seasoned veteran RB, primarily for pass protection, to buy Josh more time in the pocket.
I'm rooting for the kid, but I also understand that he needs to improve. I'm far from satisfied with his play. He's on the right track but my standards are high. Everyone's should be.
But see we think the same and mere pointing out flaws makes people go crazy. They want to use stats only found in Nerdom that might vindicate them because the real stats that count don't just yet.
I want Josh to succeed, I wanted Hooper to bail him out of plays that's how much I want Josh to succeed.
Now we're counting the incredible comebacks against the Jets, Bengals and Giants and yet only scoring 17 points. Sorry what's astounding is we needed 17 points in the last minutes to win.
Realism scares people, makes them go crazy. I've watched it for EJ, Losman, and any other 1st rounder. Fans are far more objective if the player isn't in the 1st.
I hope he succeeds but right now he's a major work in progress and if he does he has a ton of talent and we'll all be happy. No one is drinking Haterade, we can point out he isn't that great of a QB just yet, and a QBs biggest traits for long-term success is decision making and accuracy.
He's obviously improving and I know with Diggs he'll do better.
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2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
He changed it to 'per game TDs thrown' immediately
Never changed it genius read above.
Trying too hard hahahaha
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
He was tied for 21st w/Murray and Fitz for TD passes.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm
Per game not total TDs.
He's bottom 5 unless you want to compare him to Mason Rudolph with 10 games.
Trying too hard chief hahaha
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12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Trying too hard chief
Maybe he's #1 in completion % if we factor in the sun in his eyes too.
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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Passing TDs are up.....he is a multi thread so you have to count Running TDs does that go into your bull#### math?
No one was arguing if they were up. Facts are stubborn things and yes he was bottom 5 for thrown TDs so work on that ol' readin' comprehension
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27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Bottom 5 of which 'numerous' statistical categories?
Fumbles
Completion %
Yards per game
YardsTDs thrown per game
QB Rating (RTG) bottom 3rd
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Season 3 all I want to see is 62% completion and 3600 yards, less fumbles, and about 23-25 TDs.
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33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Find the guy who claimed Allen was a bottom 5 passer in all categories and then mysteriously disappeared after being proven wrong.
He's the one whose posts you were liking.
You're trying too hard. hahahaha
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8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
I am not going to argue with someone who thinks Josh Allen is the 29th best quarterback in the league. Anyone who thinks that, legitimately has an agenda against the guy and will never have their mind changed, short of him suddenly being Aaron Rodgers.
Actually like @C.Biscuit97 said we'll know this year who he really is. I just wish he had a better TE to help him out and help him grow.
I hope he crushes it and is our QB for the next 15 years.
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3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
His passing yards were 23rd just below the NFL MVP. His touchdowns were 23rd, much higher if you track total touchdowns.
He is a 2nd year quarterback who is 15-12 as a starter, and took the team to the playoffs last year. Without his wheels they probably dont get there.
On the QBR, which I think is a total farce, if you think Jacoby Brissett, Daniel Jones, Jameis Winston, Kyler Murray, Derek Carr, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Ryan Tannehill are all better QBs than Josh Allen go ahead, but you'd be wrong.
If you want to look at stats to justify a Quarterback being good or not fine, but dont forget the player's entire game. Is Josh one of the best passers in the league right now, probably not. However, he is one of the top 15 players at his position, and he is pushing for top 10.
Last in passing yards last among starters. Last. That MVP had a few more TDs and higher YPG, YPA, higher completion, and a once in a generation talent who won't last long in the NFL.
Records I don't care about. Trubisky was 12-4 in his 2nd year, Pro-Bowl, with better stats on everything except rushing.
QBR isn't QB Rating (QBR vs RTG). On rating I'm right. I do think Tannehill, Carr, and Jones are better QBs last year.
He's certainly NOT top 15 at his position. He is what he is, a bottom 3rd QB with a ton of potential and promise. He led a bottom 1/3rd offense, and for long stretches of multiple games looked horrible.
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18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
In what category are you referring to?
No, and the stat he is quoting is random.
Bottom 1/3rd QB rating
Lowest YPG & Yards passing as a starter
Lowest completion percentage
(in comparison to every other starter in the league, not backups)
I could keep going, but in all metrics that show a good QB he isn't one.
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52 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Yep. No matter the number of brilliant plays the guy makes in a game, some son of a motherless goat around here will find the one pass he "missed" or was "inaccurate" on.
You do realize he was in the bottom 3rd of all starting QBs for the season right? It's not about brilliant plays, it's about consistent play.
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29 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Best prospect since Luck is just absolutely not true. And I love Burrow.
What an absolute idiotic season by the Dolphins though. They could have just lost more games and had the #1 pick, and kept their talented players, or traded them for picks as well.
Who would you rate above Burrow absolutely? I can't think of one person this caliber since Luck.
I agree with you on tanking they should have kept "The Chosen" to see if they had anything with him or flunked the season and got the pick they wanted. It was a win-win.
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11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
By far, the greatest season a college QB has ever had. It wasn’t just a “good” season.
I would do the deal if I were Miami. If I’m the Bengals, I decline though. You don’t get a shot at Burrow in most drafts. He has “it.”
Stop bringing up facts.
This is the best kid in the draft since Luck. Since the Bills gave up what would be 2 1sts for Josh I would give 3 for Burrows. Burrows on Miami makes them a legit team. By year 2 he'll be a top 12 player.
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The only misconception is that he can throw the deep ball based on 6-8 passes over 2 years.
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100% yes and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to understand how intelligent these guys are and how committed they are to winning.
I think I figured Beane out and why he didn't get Hooper or more big splashes beyond Diggs and puts more money on the D-line. It's just more consistent hedging towards defense until they can figure out the offensive side. They figure if they get 1 side REALLY right they will never have a bad team and make the playoffs more often than not.
By not getting big ticket FAs they can hedge with spreading out depth to again get a consistent win cycle without a franchise QB. If it happens they have to figure out how to play the same game they are playing now, which won't work. It's similar to the Steelers until Ben got a huge contract.
This has no bearing on Allen being good or not, it's a strategy to produce a consistent winner, a winner they may not win a SB, but it will consistently win. I think our history of poor play will now be taken over by a team too good to suck, but never good enough to win the SB with their current paradigm, although anything could happen and a QB could catch fire during the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may.
It will be destroyed if they have to pay Josh (or anyone else) $30 million+ money unless he's a thorough-bred. It's better for a Teddy Bridgewater/younger Dalton/or middle of the road starter who will never be a stud, but good enough to spread out the wealth and have a consistent winner and potentially a SB if they slip in like the Titans almost did. Vrabel built his team roughly the same way, but now with the Tannehill situation I'd like to see what his team looks like in 2021.
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1 minute ago, Doc said:
Is Hooper a TE who can carry a game? He's a fine player and would have been a good get but his rookie stats were similar to Knox's. Again, give Knox some time.
Knox's drops are not to be trusted.
I said "helped" carry a game. He's a dependable outlet to a young QB on a rookie contract. Knox is unknown and certainly not dependable at this minute.
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We are shallow at TE. We don't have any dependable talent that can help carry a game. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts...
Not proven, and not a good situation for a young QB. Sorry but this is a fail.
Hooper should have been our guy.
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6 minutes ago, MJS said:
I'll suggest that Aaron Rodgers has very little left in the tank. I think he hasn't been himself in recent years.
Physically he has plenty in the tank, he just looks mentally checked out, he doesn't really care and he just looks like a brat frustrated with his team. He certainly doesn't look like a leader.
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Wow for a 3rd and a dozen doughnuts?
Cam to be released today
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You do realize he threw as hard as Mahomes to his right and 2 MPH less to his left right and 10 MPH faster than Watson from combine numbers?
He's not a noodle arm, but he's no where near the highest in arm strength. He had the highest rating in 2019 for all passes over 20 yards.
As to the OP I never liked Newton either. Only 3 good seasons, and 1 of those was elite. The rest of the time he was a great athlete who couldn't throw in the pocket.