FireChans
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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:
Whaley was officially titled Assistant GM at the time, and was the one who scouted AW, Bradham, and Searcy.
And some other guys scouted Dareus and Gilmore. Nix was the one who drafted all of them.
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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Ah, this boards logic. Whaley gets no credit for good moves. Only the bad ones.
Lol it’s been the opposite for the last decade and it’s embarrassing you’d pretend otherwise.
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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Who was Nix's right hand man? And doing all the real work while the ol fox slept?
Being the right hand man doesn’t mean you get credit for your bosses’ work.
Nix came in with a edict to get some SEC and southern boys. He then drafted Dareus, AW, Glenn, Gilmore, Bradham, Searcy. All of whom were high level starters on that 2014 team. He also signed Mario Williams.
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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
“Making a comeback”. I am also “making a comeback.”
so his way of making a comeback is trashing the guy who drafted him? Who is his agent? Antonio Brown.
BS. That 2014 team would have curb stomped the 2017 team and would have been the favorites against last year’s team.
The 2014 team was built by Nix. And would have been a playoff team if Whaley’s boy EJ never started.
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19 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:
A unequivocal talent evaluation at this point, 2 years in, starting right out of the gate, making the playoffs, makes you someone not to be taken seriously. Perhaps you expect the kid to be in the Super bowl by now. A fan since 65, after the mediocrity you've lived with, give me a break.
Patrick Mahomes won MVP his 2nd year and a Super Bowl in his 3rd. Tick tock.
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24 minutes ago, Doc said:
Fair enough. But the implication is that in a draft that is supposedly this deep at WR, it would be BPA at 54 because some good ones will get pushed down.
Exactly. That’s a good thing. I want players who are borderline late 1st early 2nd round grades at 54. That’s tremendous value. That may not happen, but in a deep WR class like this it easily could. It’s less likely to happen to a position like OT, or LB, IMO.
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8 minutes ago, Doc said:
No, "we" are not getting silly, FC. I never said the bolded part. I said you don't know their board, rankings and objectives for this draft. Neither do I.
What you are saying is that WR is BPA at 54. So what if the Bills don't draft one? What then? Are they morons?
I’m not saying the WR will for sure be BPA at 54. In fact, I very clearly said otherwise. How could I know who is available at 54 when the draft hasn’t even happened yet?
6 hours ago, FireChans said:I wouldn’t complain one bit if one of Duke, McK or Foster get cut in favor of a 2nd round WR who outperfoms them.
Sure we will have used a first and second on WR. So what? If we draft an OT, then we used a second two years in a row at that position. If we draft an RB, then we have spent a 2nd and 3rd in that timespan. An LB? 1st and 2nd.
The draft is about building the best roster over the long game. The strategy is not, “we drafted a LB high last year so we can’t do that this year.” That’s need based drafting. That’s how you take inferior players and don’t accumulate winning talent.
5 hours ago, FireChans said:Seeing as everyone has called this the deepest WR draft possibly ever, I’d say it’s also more likely BPA is WR than any other draft possibly ever. Now there’s 21 other positions so it’s obviously no guarantee. If BPA is a DB, go get him, I don’t really care.
I just want BPA. I don’t care if we just traded for a WR, if it’s a WR, you take him. I don’t care if it’s a RB, DB, OT, anything. You take the BPA. It’s that simple.
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37 minutes ago, Doc said:
Yeah but if BPA (which is subjective since there's no master list) is at a position the Bills don't need, they can and probably will trade down to take a guy at more of a need position. And a player can still turn out better than the theoretical "BPA" that should otherwise have been picked. Hence the reason those "draft redo" things come out every year.
Foster is a gunner and has more value than a gadget player like McK.
You have? Where? I must have missed it.
What I do know is that you've said that he wouldn't make a difference on offense for the Bills.
This is where we start getting silly Doc. Regardless of the subjectivity of player evaluations, our scouting department has spent 2-3 years evaluating some of these players and crafting their grades. And then they make their board. At the final hour, they don’t throw their hands up and call the draft a crap shoot and then take whoever. If the Bills pass on a 2nd round grade player to take a 3rd round grade player at a position of need, they are morons.
BPA means stick to your board, which is for all intents and purposes, a master list.
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31 minutes ago, dneveu said:
Foster would likely be the cut. Now do you activate this guy over McK? Considering McK is a gadget player and has made plays for the team, i don't think so - not for a 4th WR.
I'm not against it, but what's to say theyre the BPA?
Right - like whos the starting running back for the 49ers right now?
Seeing as everyone has called this the deepest WR draft possibly ever, I’d say it’s also more likely BPA is WR than any other draft possibly ever. Now there’s 21 other positions so it’s obviously no guarantee. If BPA is a DB, go get him, I don’t really care.
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15 minutes ago, dneveu said:
I don't disagree. But you're using your first and 2nd round picks on WRs. They brought McKenzie back after the Diggs trade, so I think they're planning on a later round developmental guy imo.
I wouldn’t complain one bit if one of Duke, McK or Foster get cut in favor of a 2nd round WR who outperfoms them.
Sure we will have used a first and second on WR. So what? If we draft an OT, then we used a second two years in a row at that position. If we draft an RB, then we have spent a 2nd and 3rd in that timespan. An LB? 1st and 2nd.
The draft is about building the best roster over the long game. The strategy is not, “we drafted a LB high last year so we can’t do that this year.” That’s need based drafting. That’s how you take inferior players and don’t accumulate winning talent.
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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t see it. It’s too expensive especially for a team with minimal needs. I think that it’s more likely that they try to get up to have 3 top 3 round picks. Maybe something like 86, 128 & 167 for 89 & 105. The Bills would then pick 54, 89 and 105. They’d still have 2 6ths and a 7th. They may even use those to come back up again. As an example the 2 6ths can get you back into mid 5. If there’s a guy that you love still there (like Shaq Quarterman) you can come back up again.
Seeing as we just exited the late first, I doubt there’s anyone we’re truly enamored with around there.
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4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
It really depends on who's there come pick 54. If it's a Hamler, Reagor, Aiyuk, or Higgins type you pull the trigger for value. They can contribute year 1 and potentially save us money or let us dangle a vet for value next year.
More importantly, they will allow us to not have to reach for a WR in the first two rounds next season and possibly even 2022 if we DO need one.
That’s why BPA is the best strategy and Beane deserves a ton of credit for building a well-developed roster where we have that luxury.
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1 hour ago, dneveu said:
Mckenzie played about 40% of snaps, and Duke/Foster about 20 each with roberts at about 10. Now Diggs basically takes all of those snaps. Even a 2nd round rookie is looking at like 10-15% of game snaps... IF he can push Mckenzie out of gadget snaps. I assume Foster will be the cut - he was alright on special teams... but Between taiwan, neal, wallace/Gaines/rookie, and other depth safeties... its not like he's matthew slater.
Correct - its also silly to assume a rookie pushes out veterans on a depth chart. It's also a bit of a luxury to draft a player who if all goes to plan, might get like 100 snaps.
There is no position on this team that a rookie will be getting >500 snaps barring injuring.
1 hour ago, Doc said:No team has All-Pros at every position so no unit is ever set. And you could apply the "what if X player at Y position gets hurt..." to any team and they'd be in trouble. Few teams have 3, much 4, top WRs. Take a WR, but not in the 2nd. Personally I think LB is the way they should go there and take a WR later.
It has nothing to do with “being in trouble.” It has everything to do with “we shouldn’t draft BPA because everyone will definitely be healthy all year and there’s no reason to have a quality player in the wings.”
The crux of the whole discussion is that you will have early 2nd round grade players in the middle 2nd and third rounds at WR in this draft. That’s a value you simply cannot pass with the 22nd pick in the second round. If there’s a LB or RB that Beane ranks higher at our pick, then that’s the guy I want. But if the BPA is a WR, you don’t reach for a DE or OT or whatever.
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Start? Next year maybe, when both Beasely and Brown become very cut-able, and doing so would free a lot of cap space.
But they could get playing time this year as well. We run a lot of empty backfield sets.
And with the way this class looks, anyone we get in the 2nd-4th should easily be better than McKenzie/Foster/Duke/Roberts
Maybe Brown battles a hammy all year and he gets a ton of playing time this year. Maybe Diggs breaks his arm and misses 7 weeks. It’s silly to pretend any unit is set at this point.
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1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:
Yes, as the 4th Wideout they would make little difference this year and possibly next.
Jarvis Landry was the 12th WR taken in 2014 and put up 758 yards as a rookie.
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10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Orton got hated on way less than Gilmore without a doubt. There were some fans who even liked him. It was weird.
I believe there was a thread where some fans were devastated he wasn’t coming back.
Fans liked Orton because he wasn’t the human disaster EJ Manuel.
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18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
So we obviously do not know this and wont know for years probably.....but just a thought.
What WR's in this draft do we absolutely think were going to be better then Diggs.....make sure you taking into account
- Diggs's production over the course of seasons
- Diggs plays in a run dom offense
My own field is there night not be a WR in this draft that ends up being better then Diggs.....but thats just my opinion and wanted your thoughts
6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:There might not be, sure. But there are 3 who in my view have the potential to be. The point is they were likely not obtainable for the same cost as Diggs.
The overarching point is if you traded up for say, Lamb. (IMO the best all around WR in this draft), the best you could reasonable hope for is that he turns out to be as good of a player as Diggs. But there’s no guarantee he would have been. And you’d have to trade more capital to secure it. Diggs is the bird in the hand. Out of the top 3 guys, maybe one of them will turn out to be better than Diggs. But there’s also a significant chance none of them will be better than him at all.
Bird in the hand. Known commodity. Easy decision.
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33 minutes ago, njbuff said:
I get the hate.
The year is 2020 and if your 24 year old QB isn't a perfect SB winning QB, then he is a bust.
There is no more patience in today's NFL for a QB to develop. That's a fact.
People want perfection instantly and if it isn't there, they want to move on to the next imperfect QB. This cycle constantly repeats itself, thus you never have a franchise QB.
I understand the patience that will allow Allen to continue to grow. Many others do not.
That’s just not true. Not sure anyone is calling Josh a bust. But Bills fans sure are quick to laugh at Darnold, Mayfield, Wentz, Dak, and Goff. I guess they don’t deserve patience those BUMS!
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Just now, GoBills808 said:
Put your $ where your mouth is. Otherwise why would you say you'd take Watson and then not wager on him outperforming Allen?
So you in?
This is an embarrassing tough guy spiel.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
For sure the thread is not meant as any serious consideration. Most people believe there is no chance Watson hits the market.
No. Why would I wager $1000 in a bet that then requires me to want Allen to perform poorly?
It’s catnip to the insane Bills fans though. We had a few back in the day who said EJ still had more upside and potential when he was competing with Matt Cassell.
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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I wouldn't swap Watson for Allen right now. In fact, I will wager $1000 Allen finishes with any two of the following: more passing yards, more combined TDs, higher ANY/A than Watson this year.
You in?
You’re insane.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
I was agreeing with the point about who you would and wouldn't swap Watson for. When I thumbs up a post it doesn't mean I agree with every single word written, but then you know that and you are just being ridiculous.
These remind of those ridiculous “Would you trade EJ for Tannehill” threads some troll would always start.
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I love Milano but the choice is easy. It’s a Value Over Replacement analysis. You can barely find OT’s that are good backups in FA. Decent LBers are always available.
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Karlos Williams making a comeback
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Textbook irony. “People are saying Whaley trading for McCoy was a Nix move!!!”
Go back to playing with dolls.