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Gilmore and Lorax would be the only two guys that would start on this roster currently, no? Maybe the younger versions of the safety duo? McCoy was rapidly aging out, the OL was mediocre. The receiving options were disasters. To me, if they can Jauron Ball their way to making the playoff as a tiebreaker on the last play of the season, they aren’t that talented by definition. Gilmore and Lorax would be the only two guys that would start on this roster currently, no? Maybe the younger versions of the safety duo? McCoy was rapidly aging out, the OL was mediocre. The receiving options were disasters. To me, if they can Jauron Ball their way to making the playoff as a tiebreaker on the last play of the season, they aren’t that talented by definition.

Counterpoint to none of our first round picks mattering is that the 2017 roster was a bare bones disaster that was lucky to limp in.

Mr Big Puff playing for the opposition?

One WR would be banking on a productive rookie WR starting immediately on a team trying to contend for a Super Bowl. Not really a great plan for me.

Injured CB1 too, don’t forget. Part of me just thinks, in Beane’s mind, he would be a lot more confident to pull the trigger if we weren’t so decimated on the defense.

Gabe is of low value to the Raiders because they would likely not be interested in paying him big money while dealing with Davantes’ dead hit. I would rather trade picks and stockpile offensive talent. Gabe has more value to us, even as an admittedly limited player than the Raiders. 11 personnel with Diggs, Adams, Davis Kincaid would be filthy.

Let’s start with the basics, how much is Davante due this season? And how much has he already been paid?

Beane is in a tough spot due to the amount of injuries on defense; it’s hard to peg this as our year to go “all in.” I’ve been telling folks for years that the Rams taught us a lesson, but I’m not sure they chase Von that SB run if Ramsey and Donald were hurt and out for the year. It’s crappy timing and I understand the hesitancy. I, personally, don’t care. If I was the GM, I say to hell with it, let’s try to score 40 every game and hope the defense rounds into form and take our shot. the AFC is a wounded beast this season. There’s also a psychological aspect. Trading for Adams invigorates the locker room IMO. Guys start getting excited again, rather than feeling like this season is another slow march to a playoff exit. I say they pull the trigger and don’t look back.

I would give a first and a second for Adams.

Yes we can. This is just not true.

Davante Adams rn

I didn't even realize Marcus Peters was still in the league.

2 1sts and Deonte Harty (he was an All Pro!)

In fairness, there were a lot of people who loved Edmunds in Bills land. they have disappeared and walk among us in shadow now. But we will never forget. They spent two day two picks on linebackers in the last 2 years? How is that “little?”

I remember praising the HELL out of Young and Elway for playing poorly all game, turning it on for the last five minutes, and losing anyway. Got them to the HoF, imo.

I use late game 4th production indicative of defense quality too. Shout out the clutch Jordan Poyer keeping the Allen MVP dream alive. He has more TD’s than all of them. 1 turnover less in the Jets or the Pats and we probably win both games. Both are true. Arm punt interceptions are still interceptions. He threw lots vs the Jets.

Just wondering.

Agreed, but if we can't even be competitive, the chance of winning any of the others drops dramatically. Some of these teams look beateable against other top teams, we have to start playing like the top teams.

Did you think the Miami game was a poorly coached effort? No, we are not. We lost a lot of key pieces. I still contend that it WAS our biggest game, and we WERE pretty well prepared and played really well.

He did pretty good against Miami, which was probably our biggest game of the year thus far.

A loss to Cinci isn't nearly as big of a deal to me as a competitive effort. I don't care if its a slugfest or a shootout, I just want us to not look like a class below (again).

Sorry, I simply cannot agree. I watched both games as well. Mahomes also was penalized for a complete farcical "safety" penalty from a facemask on the 1 yard line. Which is a change of possession and two points on the board for the opponents. Ya'll wanna talk about "putting team in a position to win." Let's do that. QB1 gets the ball 13-13, 4 minutes in the fourth. TO on the first play. Opposing team immediately gets points. QB2 gets the ball 23-20, 7 minutes in the fourth. Offense gets TWO holding penalties on the drive. They also benefited by two defensive penalties. QB2 orchestrates a drive with a combination of scrambles and passing (his RBs on this drive had a total of 13 yards on 9 carries) and ices the game. Woah, looks like one of the players came up clutch and put their team in a position to win. I wonder who was who lmao. For sure, like I said, he's obviously awesome. But that's why MVP is so tough to win. You have to get lucky/have a good enough team to bail you out, or play at such a high level you basically bail out your team anytime the going gets tough. For example, Mahomes' first MVP season, his defense was 24th in points and 31st in yards. It was a shoot out nearly every week. Now that kind of season should not ever be the expectation, even for the great QBs. But if you want to be the near-unanimous MVP, that kind of performance over a season is how you get it.

10 points in 55 minutes is a bad day. The 2 TD's were the late game heroics. Oh, what's also hilarious is that the defense forced a clutch TO to even GIVE Josh the chance to take the lead. Without the Poyer punch, Josh may have never touched the ball again. That damn defense letting Josh down lmao. My point was that the MVP award is a combination of wins and stats. If you have more losses (ie less wins), your chance to win the award goes down.

Josh Allen had a 79.9 passer rating against the Commanders and benefited from his defense outscoring the Washington offense. See this is what I'm talking about lmao. You feel like people are over critical of Allen (which I don't even necessarily disagree with on some platforms), then it's like, oh I guess I should do it the other way. It's okay to say that Josh had a pretty bad day overall against the Pats and made some late game heroics to put us in a position to steal it. It's not okay to say the loss "wasn't his fault" because he had a game-winning drive against a tomato-can team that was debating firing their 6 time Super Bowl winning HC lmao. Counterpoint. Mahomes had the ball with the chance to win the game at the end, and did it. Allen had the ball with the chance to win the game at the end, and turned it over to give the Jets the lead. Who had the better game? Do you honestly believe they were equal performances?

Yep, Mahomes had a bad loss today. Had a bad loss to Detroit too. Josh has 3 bad losses. 3 is more than 2. The award usually goes to the QB with a combo of top numbers and top or close to top record. Gotta get both if you want to win it. I love Josh Allen. I realize it's like picking nits because he's obviously awesome and he's, at least, the second best QB in football. But when he makes bad plays that keep him at "the second best QB in football," it's very frustrating. There's nothing I would love more than Patrick Mahomes to throw 35 picks and lose every game, and Josh to throw for 50 TD's and 8 picks. But until that happens, I'm gonna have to call it like I see it.