[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

And then Lynch got a SB ring and we didn’t even sniff the playoffs.

Well technically he didn’t want to be here and he phoned it in his last year here and even wore a raiders hat on the sideline while in uniform

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You are insanely overvaluing Allen then.  This is the problem with evaluating qbs.  Very few young qbs can go into a situation and just elevate the team by themselves.  We have had a top 3 defense both years Allen has been here.  A lot of qbs would have been solid here.  
 

Rosen may suck but it’s insane to say so after the situations he was forced in.  Allen would look a lot different if he got drafted by Arizona.  Our situation isn’t perfect but we have a team carried by a really good defense where a qb doesn’t have to score a lot of points to win games.  It’s a good situation for a young qb to grow in.

He got a fair shot in Miami??? They traded away their starting LT, had the worst groups of skills players, and a bunch of starting defensive players. It was an awful situation.

 

and I know people like to sell him short but Fitz, a 10 year veteran qb, is like the 20th best qb in the nfl.  Fitz is better than the majority of 1st and 2nd year qbs. 

But He couldn’t even beat out Fitz in competition and that was before they traded their LT and Stills. Also the fact that the team rallied around fitz more and begged the staff to bench Rosen and put back fitz says a lot as well. That’s two teams that’s given up high draft picks for this guy and both have given up on him. There has to be a reason 

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think he is 1 suspension away from a year ban.. I like marcell but think he is gonna have to wait a bit

Also his play has regressed the last two years in Jacksonville, he’s not playing at a high level anymore. That defense had a shot to go to the super bowl in 17 and they got killed by bad QB play from Bortles 

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Exactly

 

He would be a rotational 3tech and low dollar signing

But he’s not gonna take low dollar, unless he really desperately wants to come back to Buffalo and doesn’t want to play for anyone else. But that’s not gonna happen

[Predict Shaq Lawson's contract]

6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Last year Lawson was easily the best DE on the team.

 

This year could be the last year for both Hughes and Murphy, I'd keep Shaq around.

I don’t think we get rid of Hughes yet, Murphy is definitely a goner though 

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Pretty sure he was.  I don't think they had a 1st round grade on him, though.

Thank god that didn’t happen lol

Just now, frostbitmic said:

If we had taken Rosen we'd be in the running for Burrows or Tua this year.

Not only them but probably would be in the running for one of the Vet QBs in this years free agency 

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

Not That it matters but I really hope Rudolph was not on our board When we were drafting last year that would’ve sucked

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's a fairer assessment

Don’t get me wrong I liked the guy in the beginning before all the problems started coming about. Then after the problems arose I wanted him off the team, same with Lynch, despite his talents he wasn’t worth the headache and the Bills backed him up and gave him several chances and he pissed them all away just like lynch did

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

He was changed from 3 tech attacker to a 0tech plug

 

The worst statistical position in football

 

He was my favorite player for a long time. Even when he 'mailed it in" watch him take doubles without giving a foot, and shed and make the stop

 

He was unlockable 1 on 1

 

 

Always got into trouble with the law, got suspended multiple times, got

caught with drugs. He was a head case that had a on and off switch. He wasn’t worth what we were paying him, no matter what scheme he played under

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

He cried after he was traded and said Buffalo was the only place that was ever home outside Alabama

 

He loved it here

Yeah but I don’t think he’s welcome back, I for one was happy to see him leave, idc what anyone says the fact is after he got paid he phoned it in and stopped giving a ***** also he said he couldn’t wait to get revenge when we played against him in the playoffs in 17. That I remember and he was still being a baby about being traded 

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I would totally do it for league minimum.

 

Rex took a generational 3 tech and made him a plug and that was stupid

 

He could replace Phillips easily and at the 3 tech would probably be juiced up to play again

I don’t think he ever wants to come back to Buffalo. I remember he didn’t have nice things to say about us and the coaching staff after he got traded, I think he said he felt betrayed or something to that degree

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah.  I don’t think he’s gonna make it

Didn’t Tomlin take a shot at him during a press conference when they benched him in favor of their third stringer lol

[Jaguars to decline DT Marcell Dareus' option]

Do we bring him and that stupid sailor hat  back lol just kidding 

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

42 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Guessing here but I don’t think Baker or Rosen were on their board.

 

i always felt it was Josh, Darnold and then maybe Lamar or Rudolph. 

Rudolph looks like crap lol

7 minutes ago, Utah John said:

I feel bad for Rosen, who never has had a chance.  He was ruined in AZ and then didn't get a real shot in Miami, and both teams were suck-o.  With a better team around him his career could have been completely different.

 

However, I'm very happy we got the right guy.

I think he did get a fair shot I Miami minus the whole team being crap around him. But then again Fitz was able to do more with less than Rosen did

[Predict Shaq Lawson's contract]

Just now, HOUSE said:

Personally I think Lawson is gone. Contract year performances are always a concern.

 

Hope I am wrong because I love the guy

I’d hate to lose him, although your right the contract year performance is concerning somewhat 

[Predict Shaq Lawson's contract]

8 minutes ago, njbuff said:

4 years, 32 mill has been the going rate.

 

If an NFL team wants to give him more....................

 

thank you for your services Shaq.

I hope he doesn’t leave he’s really turned it around, thought he was a bust in the beginning but he’s really turned it around and became a leader

[Go after Amari Cooper?]

32 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I don’t like him much.. He’d be a number 1 but he doesn’t seem to be able to dominate when you need him. Dallas was a train wreck this year and Amari was nowhere to be found for games at a time. I’m not against him coming here, but I am against paying him big bucks the next 5 years. I’d rather a 2 year contract or easy outs after two seasons

But is that all Coopers fault or is it due to the fact that Presscott wasn’t looking his way much and the fact that Dak was struggling most of the season 

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This.

 

Chemistry with Beasley - but what if it's "bad Chemistry"?  Beasley did move on after Cooper came to town.

 

I think there was a lack of chemistry between him and Prescott.  I don’t know if there’s bad blood between him and cooper

36 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Really - Hunter and Hooper are some of best pass catchers in the NFL.  Please describe where they rank with all the WRs, RBs and TEs.

Hunter has in injury problem

[Predict Shaq Lawson's contract]

I know it’s been reported that we’re letting Philips go, hate to see that but I understand the business side of that. Although I have read that Beane stated that he is going to work on keeping Lawson for the long term. What kind of contract you think is fair to give to Shaq Lawson?

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

6 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

They still would have said we got the wrong Josh, and that idiot guy who stopped writing b.c the Bills took Allen would still be writing 

I forgot about the writer lol who did he write for again?

[Diggs on the block? Rumor is a 2nd rd pick (year old thread)]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Cooper already said he wouldn't consider us because he doesn't want to play for a cold weather team

That’s too bad, but remember Kelly didn’t want to play for us cause he hated cold weather, now look where he is lol

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I dont know...was it really different?  I mean cardinals went and invested a lot in getting Rosen, its not like they didnt go all in on him that first year.  Their roster wasn't much different than our roster that year offensively.  OL issues were similar, and Rosen had a better cast of weapons to use...wasnt great, but it was better than Bills offensive weapons that year.  

 

Cardinals didn't see enough in Rosen to stay the course.  Then in Miami, they quickly dismissed him too.  Something isnt right here...two teams with significant draft capital investments into him quickly gave up on him.  

 

Time to face the truth, he just isn't the guy some thought he would be.  Personally, I think it mostly stems from his lack of ability to be a leader, to command the team.  

You are definitely right, I think Brian Flores said the exact same thing about Rosen, also heard neither Rosen or Flores get along. Also read the team doesn’t care for Rosen and pretty much begged the coaching staff and front office to put Fitzpatrick back in as they respected him and liked how he played

[Diggs on the block? Rumor is a 2nd rd pick (year old thread)]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Do you really think Cooper wants to play here?

I’m sure he would given his market Isn’t going to be that big. 

[Go after Amari Cooper?]

11 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

There is an unwritten rule here that you can't start a new thread until you come to a final consensus on whether we should have drafted Rosen.

 

Rule #2) AJ Green was not mentioned in your WR thread above.  You must include AJ Green in any WR thread.

LOL I’m glad we drafted Allen as I wanted Allen to begin with. I was just curious on everyone else’s opinion is about Allen now. And 2nd I don’t want Green, he hasn’t played a full season in a couple of years and is on the wrong side of 30 and is injury prone

8 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Would love to have someone like Amari, but he's pretty much already said he's not interested in playing for Buffalo even if they offer more money than everyone else.

When did he say that? Also money talks at the end

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Like I said, I can't personally speak to Rosen's pro readiness as I have not watched him a ton. I just don't think Allen was that pro ready. I just think his superior physical abilities have been an effective fall-back for him. And I think he is smart, humble, and driven, so he is making strides in his development.

I don’t know what it is but something about Rosens attitude rubs me the wrong way. Like all I see is Cutler and George without the big arm. Like he just doesn’t look motivated. Maybe being traded away damaged him a bit mentally or maybe he’s just mentally weak idk. I’m just glad we got Allen

[How would you guys have felt if we had took Rosen instead of Allen]

9 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Honestly, no idea.  I wanted Rosen but that’s why I’m not a GM.  
 

I wonder if Rosen’s performance would have been any better if there was an actual plan for him.   His situation has been the worst of any rookie QB’s. I wonder how Allen would have fared in the same situation.  

I think Allen would’ve made Arizona more competitive than Rosen. Rosen would’ve gotten creamed behind our line back in 18. Allen’s ability to pass and run is what saved us and kept us in most games last year. His best last year was against Minnesota, Allen also got better down line and showed more promise where as Rosen statistically regressed last year. I think Allen had more fire and rallied his team up especially when the chips were down. Rosen put his head down and didn’t inspire anyone on his team. I think the team celebrated when they drafted Murray and traded Rosen away