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The notables include Wayne, Givens, Randell-El, and Joe Jeravicious (sp?). Anything past that and your looking at a Veteran fill in, and if Moulds leaves we will need more then that to take his place.

oops, changed that

The Bills are a 4-8 team that seems to be coming apart at the seems right now, and despite the struggles they have still played an easy enough schedule to own the draft tiebreakers over the current top 20 picks. A couple weeks ago I tried to convince myself that home field will really make a difference for the Broncos, but how on earth do we stop the run? Then we have to play @CIN with Pittsburgh nipping at their heals, that smells like the SD massacre all over again. If this team still had something to play for I would give them a much better chance against NE this weekend, but I just don't see a huge response coming. We didn’t always see the Bills best effort in big games, so I’m just not all that confident they will come to play with only pride at stake. As for your records and scenarios I have it being pretty close to that, here is a rough estimate of our likely draft position with different records. Keep in mind we should win all tiebreakers which could make the difference of several spots if things get log jammed. 4-12 Best Case #3, Worst Case #5-----------0 Wins 5-11 Best Case #8, Worst Case #10----------1 Win 6-10 Best Case #11, Worst Case #13---------2 Wins

The Jets were a team I went out on a limb with but even with Bollinger I can still see them winning 2 more. I don't expect Oakland to be that motivated this weekend, and that’s how upsets happen when you got an away favorite. Then you have them going on the road to Miami, and Miami's play has been up and down all season. Rosenfield may have lit us up but he was horrible in his first start in Cleveland, and it's unlikely his success against us carries over. I agree that the Jets game should be the one we have the best shot in, but with two teams out of contention it probably comes down to who wants it more. I see the Bills losing the next three as a real possibility, and it potentially being Herms last game as Jets coach. If those two things end up playing out it would be hard to imagine the Bills bringing the same intensity as the Jets, especially on the road.

Thanks Pete Let me also add that some people have said the Jets/Bills game could have a huge impact on the draft order, and yes that theory would make sense. Is it a huge stretch for the Bills to get beat by NE, DEN, and CIN? I just don't think it is, and if the Jets win one out of OAK, @MIA, or NE we could be looking at the Bills/Jets loser being as high as 3, while the winner could drop to 10th or worse.

Including Buffalo 11 teams in the NFL are 4-8 or worse, and as this night mere of a season wears down some of us tend to think draft more and more. The following is a look at the future schedules of the teams 4-8 or worse, the current SOS which is used to break up ties, and the predicted final record. Next to the strength of schedule % is also the words, higher, lower or same, this is just indicating if the SOS will be on the rise or fall from its current number by seasons end. I can't tell what the exact number will be without doing some serious work, but we can get a pretty close idea by comparing the team’s schedules. I took a lot of things into account for the predictions, so if you feel they might be off feel free to ask why I made that prediction. Current Draft Order 1. Houston 1-11 (@Tennessee, Arizona, Jacksonville, @ San Francisco) Current SOS: .604 Lower Predicted 2-14 2. Green Bay 2-10 (DET, @BALT, CHI, SEA) Current SOS: .549 Same Predicted 4-12 3. San Francisco 2-10 (@SEA, @JACK, @STL, HOU) Current SOS: .563 Same Predicted: 3-13 4. N.Y. Jets 2-10 (OAK, @MIA, NE, BUF) Current SOS: .563 Lower Predicted: 4-12 5. New Orleans 3-9 (@ATL, ,CAR, DET, @TB) Current SOS: .507 Higher Predicted: 4-12 6. Tennessee 3-9 (HOU, SEA, @MIA, @ JACKSONVILLE) Current SOS: .507 Same Predicted: 4-12 7. Buffalo 4-8 (NE, DEN, @CIN, @NYJ) Current SOS: .465 Higher Predicted: 4-12 8. Cleveland 4-8 (@CIN, @OAK, PITT, BALT) Current SOS: .500 Same Predicted: 5-11 9. Baltimore 4-8 (@DEN, GB, MIN, @CLE) Current SOS: .528 Lower Predicted: 6-10 10. Arizona 4-8 (WASH, @HOU, PHIL, @IND) Current SOS: .514 Lower Predicted: 6-10 11. Detroit 4-8 (@GB, CIN, @NO, @PITT) Current SOS: .535 Same Predicted: 4-12 12. Oakland 4-8 (@NYJ, CLE, @DEN, NYG) Current SOS: .542 Predicted: 5-11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Predicted Final Draft Order only taking into account teams on the previous list 1. Houston--- 2-14 2. SF--------- 3-13 3. BUF------- 4-12 4. TEN-------- 4-12 5. NO--------- 4-12 6. DET-------- 4-12 7. NYJ---------4-12 8. GB--------- 4-12 9. CLE-------- 5-11 10. OAK------- 5-11 11. ARI--------6-10 12. BALT-------6-10

To be exact Bills pick 7th as of now

It will probably be without Wayne, Edge, or Mathis in 2006, but a win at the RCA dome isn't very likely.

H---------A MIA-----MIA NE------NE NYJ------NYJ JAGS----HOU TEN------IND GB-------CHI MIN------DET KC-------BAL This is how the schedule shapes up for 2006. PLEASE don't turn this into a TD, MM, or player debate; all I'm saying is schedule looks manageable next year if we make the right moves. Just trying to stay positive

I've returned kicks but that certainly doesn't give me the knowledge of what it’s like at the NFL level. Nobody is saying he doesn't have a difficult job on kick and punt returns, but isn't it still fair for us to compare Roscoe to how our other return men have done? Roscoe has impressive numbers, but how many solid return men have we shown in the last two years? MaGee, Clements, and Fast Freddy have all shown a strong ability to return kicks. Clements could leave that picture, and you would still have two more then capable return men. I'm trying to go by what I witnessed Roscoe do on the field, and how he escapes from defenders. That element of his game has left me unimpressed and it looks a lot like a player we already have in Fast Freddy. Time will tell I guess

How does development influence the speed, acceleration, and agility of a WR? Those things may increase slightly but I doubt he got neglected in training when he played at the U. All the players you listed showed the raw ability that just needed to benefit from experience. IMO Roscoe doesn't look like he has the raw ability to make up for his size, so the benefit of experience won't really matter as much as it did for Reed, Moulds, etc.

Good Post

First let me say that I made a pretty bold statement about Roscoe Parrish in the NFL. I don't like to judge draft picks early, but what I'm discussing is directly involved with Roscoe’s ability to succeed in the NFL. At his size if he doesn’t have elite explosiveness then he might not be able to cut in this league. Roscoe starts and stops quickly, and makes quick cuts, but never reaches the top end speed to make him a serious threat. On one of his returns today a Miami LB literally chased him down. I mean I expected a Terrance MaGee like player with some offensive skills, what we have is a smaller, slower, version with an uncanny ability of letting the turf make the tackle. One more thing I didn’t like hearing was a casual joke by the announcers about Roscoe’s experience in cold weather. It may sound funny but does he have any idea just how bad it can get in Buffalo? I lived in Michigan my whole life and the cold still bites me in the ass, and Buffalo gets it even worse.

I don’t, in fact I didn't even look into who was available after Roscoe. Just commenting on how I perceived his play so far.

Is intelligence what you call completely changing the topic of this thread? I'm commenting on what I see in a player the Bills drafted, are people allowed do that anymore without having to give a list of 20 alternatives less then a year after the draft? I just don't see him making an impact, if you do explain why, if not save your opinion on what is or isn't an intelligent thread oh holy one.

I don't see him running circles around anybody. He's made some straight ahead returns on punts and kickoffs that offered hardly anymore impact then his predecessors. I'm not questioning his toughness; I'm questioning how he can end up being a good find for us at that size if he is anything less then electrifying with the ball.

It's more about the aura of the Bills. They have dedicated blue collar fans that can truly appreciate success because fair weather is about the worst thing somebody can be. The journey will be more difficult for us, but in the end victory will be that much sweeter. Throw all that in with one of the toughest winter stadiums to play at in the NFL, and they have a unique relationship with the city they play in. You might move them and still have success on the field, or financially, but they would lose the aura that makes some of us such die hard fans.

I don't have any connections to Buffalo but I still couldn't be a fan if they moved. Some times it's the fans that make the team, Buffalo is certainly an example of that.

I see strong acceleration and agility with low top end speed. If that’s the case he could be an ok slot, I was just hoping he had a little faster top gear. Also if this is the case wouldn’t somebody else be better suited on return? I thought Fast Freddy or Nate are better return threats then Roscoe.

You created this board for Bills fans to have a home to talk about the Bills right? Well this was a very painful loss to a hated division rival. I didn't expect the Bills to go to the playoffs, I was just happy we were playing so well. We have some positives to take from the game, but the way we lost makes it hard to see them so soon after the game ended. Some of the posts can get a little extreme, but some people are still trying to discuss what is going wrong on the team right now, after all that’s all you really have to discuss when your teams 4-8.

In 95% of the cases you can't get an accurate read on a draft pick until 3 years after the draft, but for some reason I'm very concerned about Roscoe. We all knew the guy could hide behind Lindsey Lohan in a bikini, but we were told about his lightning moves all camp. I at least gave him the benefit of the doubt because some players, no matter how small just might have it. My question is where is the speed, where is the elusiveness? I'm seeing an undersized rag doll being chased down by LB's. Can his cast be throwing his speed off by that much? Personally I don't think he is in the same ball park with MaGee in terms of explosion, and with his size that’s what I was expecting. We need to send old Roscoe to Beebe’s speed camp.

Scary isn't it? It also doesn't help that teams have played to stop our run all year. Denver, KC, SD, PITT etc. all have a QB that will beat you threw the air if you stack the box. JP is finally starting to take advantage of that over the top, but he is still struggling on his intermediate game, and especially in a condensed field. If we added the passing dimension that those strong run teams have I would say we would be top 10 or so in terms of our rush offense as a whole. The problem is we have a very long way to go to get to that point because the pass blocking has been so bad, and JP's still developing. With the talent we have we will have to address the OL regardless of the type of offense we want to run next season. If you’re going to do that why not look more for pass protectors then road graders? It's great that this team wants to be little Pittsburgh and all but I see most the players on offense in the future geared more for big plays then slow methodical drives, everybody except maybe Willis.

God no, Joey Harrington is a downfield passer that was placed in Mooches West Coast and it failed miserably. Right now JP looks a lot more like a downfield passer then a west coast QB. The last thing I want to see is the Bills fall below the depths of the Lions, and I have no proof that won't happen with Mooch as head coach.

That’s my point, after the first we played conservatively from the 50-25 which lead to more Red Zone attempts. I already illustrated just how much of our offense has been generated from big plays, because JP can bring that. But with a condensed field then we take our shots? This is exactly the place that JP has shown a propensity for turnovers. If nothing else we need points, we built the 21 point lead early knowing our defense gives up 29 on the road on average. You figure to a below average Dolphins offense 26 or so would be enough, 3 under our normal road average. It's called game management, and that’s what makes good coaches great. It's why we hear about the Parcells winning 80+ straight games when leading late etc. Turns out we got a safety to make it 23, and FG would have made it 26 and a W, one TD would have made it 28 and a W, either way it's a win.

. I think the problem is MM is trying to run a power attack, but we don't possess the lineman to be successful at that. We also have a young QB who recently has shown he has a penchant for big plays and turnovers. Those combined have a horrible effect on our red zone efficiency, which is why just about every time we get in the red zone we either kick a field goal or turn it over. When we have scored TD's (KC, MIA for the most part) it’s been by the big play, and it's not surprising considering the personnel we have. If you take out our rushing attack we effectively have an inexperienced gun slinger at QB, a burner at WR, and a possession guy in Moulds. JP has a poor chemistry with Moulds, and that has lead to 4 TD's on long plays to Evans (KC, MIA), and 1 short TD to Evans (MIA). Since JP came in we have had 4 long TD's to Lee, 1 short TD to Lee, and 1 short TD to Shelton (SD). So by not throwing deep to Lee you have effectively taken away 67% of our TD offense the past 4 games, MM did that for 3 quarters.