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9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
I'm with everyone else, no clue.
It is up to Wade at this point, as I'm sure buffalo would love to get him as a practice squad exemption.
It's pretty simple, Wade can gamble on himself and hope he at leasts cracks a 10 man practice squad and best gets promoted during 2019 to a 53.
In order for this to happen. Bills must cut him but Buffalo loses their free exemption...so a gamble if buffalo would even sign him to practice squad.
Ball is in Wade's court
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Beane gave an interview during the 3rd quarter his comments were interesting:
1. a few teams have been calling about Bills o line, who is available etc
2. Beane said teller took the news well
3. Beane almost said that Teller would be cut anyhow. before backtracking and saying he'd be a 53 man roster consideration
4. Beane made it very clear that Teller was "not progressing" as quickly as expected when OTAs and as the offseason has played out
5. Beane said the mix of "vets" (namely Morse. Feliciano. and Nsheke on o line) and younger players is what they're trying to instill to help the younger players progress and learn (sounded like a kick in the pants to young guys on how to grow into an NFL player)
6. Beane also said that Tyler Kroft is progressing very well, expects him to be on 53 man roster without an injury designation...and back playing in the 1st half of season)
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Just now, jkeerie said:
Perry might still be injured.
gotcha. I must have missed that
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interesting that senorise Perry is also not dressed...one of these rbs is likely traded
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We might be scouting national punt, pass, kick competitions for a new punter....yeesh
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First preseason in a LONG time, that we have this type of depth at multiple positions....fun to watch, definitely some.good players not making the 53
Credit to Beane
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5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:
TBH, if he keeps kicking like that you have to wonder if Gano is in jeopardy. 5 for 6 with his miss being from 58 that was close and plenty long enough. Made a 54 right down the middle that hit the net.
Agree completely, Gano a 2018 pro bowler coming off injury or an unknown, who is young showing potential (and much cheaper)
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1 minute ago, AmishRifle said:
I don’t mean this as a hot take but the place kicking does concern me. Haushka doesn’t look right. Could be the yips or something but it could cause us to lose a game.
Agree, this Slye kid has impressed at Carolina camp the past 2 weeks.... I think he is a legitimate option for us/others.
Plenty of recent seasons where teams dump their kicker for a complete unknown
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8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
Watch for us to keep an eye on Slye, Panthers 2nd string kicker.....hauschka just doesn't look like himself...injury/age
Slye also went 3 for 3 last week against Chicago, including a 50+ yarder...going to predict right now he is someone's week 1 starting kicker
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1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
? no shot
Doesn't have to be Slye, but you can't ignore that Hauschka has struggled and just doesn't look like himself (following his injury last year).
On top of that, our staff just spent 3 days with Carolina and plenty of opportunity to review Slye at practice
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Like many have said, it's nice to have a young up and coming starting QB, in addition to what's looking like a great backup situation with Barkley
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Watch for us to keep an eye on Slye, Panthers 2nd string kicker.....hauschka just doesn't look like himself...injury/age
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Shaq > Murphy.
Good to see Shaq making some plays, but will trust Frazier and others who have said Murphy looks like a different player this year. Time will tell, but we have some depth at that position if Hughes stays healthy
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Lol, way to go Murphy...that defensive end position group is DEEP
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The Bills have a deep team this year. I see no value in keeping DiMarco over an extra OL or WR or DB. It may come down to Ray-Ray or DiMarco or Siran Neal or Teller. I would just rather have someone that may contribute more than what DiMarco gives. The running game has gotten worse each year since he’s been here and he can’t catch. Lee Smith is a superior blocker and can fill a lot of what DiMarco does. He’s an absolute waste of a roster spot imo.
I agree that Dimarco has to show value to the staff, but team chemistry has to be considered in that equation, which I'm sure the coaches will.
I respect a lot of your posts, so you don t need a lecture from me about leadership. It's just that we lost OUR biggest leader in Kyle, still have Zo but could use all the help we can get in that dept, with so many new faces...but again without sacrificing a roster spot for a starter/future starter
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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Thanks for the Cliff notes, I guess. Unfortunately, the Cliff notes are still nutty.
You keep going on about how his last games were bad. Again, you ought to go work on trying to convince Beane of that, because he obviously sees better than you do and made it very clear that he disagrees with you. And - again - when he made that statement to the reporters at the PC ...
"I think we all can agree that Zay Jones is trending up."
- Brandon Beane in the 2018 post-season press conference
... there was nothing but head-shakes and agreement. You disagree. That says more about you than it does about Zay. You're seeing this differently from everyone else, dude. And while this could mean you're just way way smarter than anyone on the Bills staff, even though they knew the plays, what the reads were, what the game plans were and what they wanted from Zay, it probably doesn't. I mean, maybe you're way way smarter than them. But that's really really unlikely. When a guy disagrees with everyone, including the people with the most info ... he's usually just wrong.
And I get that you'd like to see me stop recycling the same arguments. But you've been recycling the same daft supporting arguments for nearly 60 pages now. If you stop recycling, I'd certainly consider it myself. But you won't. This whole thread has been lovingly tended and maintained by you with the constant repetition of your wacky support.
Again, the main idea of the thread - that Zay might get traded - was always quite unlikely but certainly possible. If that had been all you said, I'd never have posted here, beyond maybe a sentence like "could happen but the chances are seriously low". But you followed it with constant nuttiness ... that Zay wasn't getting a great deal better the last half of the year despite the stats, Beane, McDermott and the pundits all disagreeing with you. You actually had to go with the saddest argument of all on that one ... "go watch the games," as if Beane, McDermott and virtually everyone disagreeing with you had been going after marlin in the gulf last fall and had never gotten around to seeing the tape. Absolutely zany and screwy.
You've recycled the constant mentions of that pointless Josh Allen fan video labelled drops but actually containing a ton of bad throws and good defensive plays. As if being on a fan video was a good argument about anything. Just silly.
You keep recycling the idea that only his games with Josh count, and that therefore you can ignore all Zay's other good games that weren't with Josh. You've pulled this in this post, but literally dozens of times before in the thread. Zay improved a great deal the second half. The fact that Josh was out for some of those good games has nothing to do with Zay. It only makes it wildly clear that you've got an agenda and that if facts don't fit it, you're willing to ignore them.
You keep saying "stats don't mean anything, you have to watch the games" when somebody posts good stats ... and then you post bad stats and act as if you've told the whole story. It's a receiver's job to get open, make catches and go for YAC. And to block. And to run as parts of plays. What's NOT a receiver's job is to see a ball thrown to somebody else and go over and steal it. Sometimes, game plans go mostly away from one WR and he can have a good game anyway, getting open but not being thrown to and blocking downfield.
You've got an agenda. You're daffily ignoring everything that doesn't fit with it. And it looks like you're going to continue recycling this flaky stuff while expecting me not to continue pointing it out. I'll feel completely free to keep pointing out your recycling. But hey, if you stop with the loony tunes stuff, I'll have nothing to point out ... if your post had been only the last four (very reasonable) paragraphs, I'd have had no real complaints. Instead, the whole top was more wackiness.
Great post! I promised not to post here until week1, but can't ignore a great rebuttal.
Be back week 1 to keep this thread alive
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It's cliche, but most coaches will say 4th down is the most important in football.
Dimarco has carved out a role and leadership/team chemistry is HUGE. Can't see him getting cut
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Mark my words, save this thread...bookmark or whatever you have to do to remember this. Blake Hence will not be suited up at New Jersey week 1.
It's time to break out the bold predictions.
LOL! you need to follow this up with 50+ pages of saying you're still rooting for the player to succeed and remember, it's not about right or wrong, or better yet this thread is only intended to solicit opinions about the other o linemen....
It's also just guys in shorts right now
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On 5/23/2019 at 4:14 PM, Alphadawg7 said:
You've missed the entire point of this thread. This right here says to me that you're here hoping to get an "I told you so" moment even though this was never a right or wrong thread, it was an open discussion on how the offseason COULD impact Zay's future.
I could care less if my gut feeling on February 27th comes true or not. This was an open discussion about the possibility of what the offseason would add to the WR room and how that may impact the 53 man roster week 1. Some of you seem to only be invested in hoping to get an "I told you so" notch on your belt. Which is funny, because everyone on this board has been "wrong" about many thoughts or predictions many more times than being right, so the "I told you so" is a pretty worthless accomplishment.
So, no, I am not interested in your bet. I actually do not want to root against Zay, I MUCH PREFER seeing him go out and seize his opportunities and make this team better over betting against him and hoping he fails just so some stupid thought last February can be proven right and I can say "I told you so" and win money.
I am a Bills fan...I want to cheer Zay on, not root against him.
My last post here, until we get into training camp or season...but ill just leave this here.
Again, you required above saying theboijnt of this thread was to have an open discussion about how the off-season COULD impact Zay, yet you made a prediction and say it's not about being right or wrong. Well to me it is, when someone calls out a player that won't be making the roster, that I think is on the upswing. so yes, we share a vastly different opinion on the player.
If I say, I bet Trump is going to be impeached, then I continue to discuss his merits to not lead the country and support it with my opinion, but then say the purpose of the whole conversation was to discuss other potential future presidents...i would imagine most ppl would be holding on to my comment about trump being impeached. just an analogy, nothing more...but this was my basis for continuing to bring up the title.
carry on, see you again in August September, back here
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1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:
I can only speak for myself, but I don't agree with this. By this time, I don't think anyone gives a damn about where Zay was drafted.
I think that Zay is a lock because he has improved from year one, to year two (and from all accounts, to year three), and has turned into the WR that he was sold as in the draft-- which is to say, that he is a solid #2, with a complete route tree, who can get separation, has reliable hands, and is utterly consistent. I don't think he has reached his ceiling, yet, but I also don't think his ceiling is as a true #1. I don't think he has yet shown the ability to bring down the contested ball, and I don't think he has an enormous catch radius. But, he is a reliable receiver who can make a play on any spot on the field. He might be our most versatile WR.
I put Zay above Foster (which is, essentially what makes him a lock). I see Foster as a dynamic talent, but limited in his role on offense. I think that a lot of Bills fans have built him up in their minds to be greater than the sum of his parts. He had some great plays towards the end of last season, and they're easy to find, but he also had some really poor routes, as well. At the very least, he showed a difficulty in tracking the ball in his earlier games. That's a pretty big deal when your biggest asset is as a sideline receiver with the speed to get separation from the corners downfield.
To be clear, I assume that they're both going to make the team. I also think that Foster is a much more exciting receiver for the fanbase. But, I think that Zay is the more valuable commodity, especially with the acquisition of Smokey Brown.
Agree about Zay over foster, both are locks in my opinion. Zay might be the most controversial player, from a fan perspective on this team.....some think he's fighting for a roster spot, and others (like myself) think he's on the verge of something special.
I'd also consider Spencer Long ahead of Spain, injury aside. I think he wins a starting guard spot, and brings more versatility in the event of injuries up front
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
For the record...I am over talking about the title. Its a free board, if people don't like the title are free to start their own thread and call it whatever they want. All good, just beyond pointless at this point to keep talking to the same few people about a title. But this title and topic went quite far and mostly a great thread until some title police started making an issue here late about the name of it. Cant please everyone, nor do I intend to try to.
GO BILLS...and honestly, GO ZAY!
It's not title policing. It's a group, or a few according to you, that have called you out for your ownn"calling it now", then litetally two pages ago (i can dig up your post if you want), said that "zay may very well make the roster....". Then a couple posts later, comment that it's only spring "running around and catching passes in shorts", then say, "you don't care if you're right, but don't want anyone calling you out later" if you're wrong.....color me dumb, but that sounds like waffling at its finest.
Here is the long and short of a 50 page thread of quotes from you:
1. you thought Zay was borderline Peterman like his rookie year
2. you downplayed his year 2 improvement
3. you said he disappeared in 10 of 16 games last season
4. etc
I can appreciate that you've tried to support your opinion. Now I for one thought it was a crazy statement to make, he was our top WR last season and had been praised by coaches and teammates numerous times.
But, beyond all that, you've insisted this isn't about being right or wrong. And I say it is, when you make any sort of prediction...that is why we keep pointing out your thread title!
Look, I'll be back either way to revisit this thread come week 1 and during training camp. I want the best team on the field too, but I'm convinced that will include Zay Jones. and I'm also not afraid if someone wants to call me out on being wrong later on (unlike some)....
1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:I wonder if the nitpickers and the title police will come back here if indeed Zay is not on the roster to heap praise on you for your early Nostradamus like prediction. Somehow I doubt it. They will be hiding in the same place all the Mason Rudolph lovers are. Still a great thread and a lot of tremendous analysis in here both for and against Zay.
Title police is funny.... I'll be back, go zay
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2 hours ago, Foxx said:
i appreciate and respect what you bring to the board, Alpha. just because i don't always comment doesn't mean i don't read. with that disclaimer out of the way...
you seem to be discounting what your thread title says..., "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.". yes, you offer up reasons to support your thread title, no problem with that here. where the problem lies, in my estimation, is that the title is a declaration, a prediction if you will. throughout the thread you vacillate back and forth, playing both sides of the equation apparently attempting to invalidate the prediction should you be wrong or in other words, covering all your bases.
as much as i deride @transplantbillsfan for his history of failed prognostications, he at least has the temerity to stick to his guns. and he does so come hell or high water, which is, if nothing else, respectable. not saying you can't be respected but you can't have it both ways with a thread title such as the one you established this thread with.
might i suggest that if you want to have an argument that discusses the possibilities of both outcomes, that a thread title change might be desired. one that would more accurately reflect what you are proclaiming this thread to be about.
additionally, i should also add that OP has two meanings. OP: Opening Post and, OP: Original Poster. my previous post was referring to the latter, your content throughout the thread.
Very well put! and not to pile on, Alpha, but this is exactly what I and others have been trying to say for pages and pages of posts. Foxx worded this very clearly.
@Alpha, hopefully that clarifies what others have said about:
1. thread title being misleading, click bait
2. waffling, covering your bases, or back pedaling
Please answer, is this thread meant to say:
1. Zay isn't going to make the team, bc of merit, being traded, etc
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2. Added WR competition will make for difficult roster decisions
Or both? I'll speak for myself when I say that I'm very confused still
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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Lol...no you didn't, you didn't read it...or if you did, you didn't pay attention. Because I haven't back pedaled nor gone back and forth with my stance even once.
There is nothing wrong with the thread title...it literally is a "prediction" thread title, which matches the body of the email. I mean the very first lines of the OP clearly outline it was NOT some arrogant guarantee and just a simple opinion: "I could be wrong, but this is just what I believe based on the additions I expect Beane to make in the WR room. I have no issues if others don't agree, just my opinion on the matter, nothing more."
Its not my fault if you want to make up your own narrative on a thread title and skip the very first line of the actual post.
And on the "cuttable" comment, you are taking that differently from what I said. I was not implying he SHOULD have bene cut or was about to be cut. I said he went out and had a "cuttable" season on the field in terms of how he performed. Meaning, other people have been cut for seasons who weren't as bad, but they didn't have the kind of leash a 2nd round rookie will have that they traded up to get. So its NOT ridiculous to grade the season that it was bad enough it would get other guys cut if they went out and performed the same.
On you last point...wrong again. Never once I have ever said he would be cut, further showing you didn't read the thread as I said this over and over again from the beginning. My case from my very first post in this thread was that I felt Zay would slip on the depth chart against better competition. The second part was that Beane loves getting value and draft assets. So if Zay fell on the depth chart, I felt Beane would try and trade him while he had value before a season of a backup role would further diminish his trade value.
And again, not defensive at all. Why is it if people directly address a poster and said poster then responds its supposed to mean one is upset or defensive? I mean its pretty funny you say that after a few posts back claiming I should be out here defending my thread lol.
Since the get go, I have had no issues with people on the other side of the fence. I acknowledged I was taking a chance early in this thread with this prediction, but it was just how I felt. Literally started the thread by saying "I could be wrong"...yet now here you are thinking I am "back pedaling" or going "back and forth with my stance" as if I give 2 craps about my thoughts on 2/27 being right. I find that comical actually, not upset at all.
I am just sharing my interpretation of your posts, word choice. We can agree to disagree on all of this.
You're the one pointing out I'm wrong, you're right...seems a little defensive if you ask me. I'm just sharing an opinion, and you seem to be getting upset at my reactions. So be it
3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:calling-it-now-zay-jones-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster
come on, really? That ^ says it all.
If your title doesn't match the thread content then it is deceiving, whether done on purpose or not.
BINGO!
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10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Thats why you read THREADS not THREAD TITLES. And in February its what I felt would happen based I what I believed would happen in the offseason. That was before FA and the Draft.
I definitely disagree with you on his rookie year, it was pretty disastrous on and off the field. It was literally at a "cuttable" level.
And why do you think I am upset? I am not at all upset, I have really enjoyed this thread. I think its a bit silly the "I told you so" crowd wants to start coming out now when guys are running around in shorts, but other than that, I am not even remotely close to upset with anyones opinion.
I am covering my bases? Hahaha oh come on, everything I am saying now I have been saying for months...guess you didnt read the thread.
And let me tell you something about "defending my position"...thats a FOOLS game. Only fools make their mind up about future events and refuse to evolve as things progress.
And as far as "admitting I was wrong" now...are you serious? I mean my very first post stated that I felt he could be a late preseason trade...we are 3 months from that. Im supposed to just assume the WR competition is over because Zay had a few good moments in shorts while his competition is still learning the playbook and some not even participating yet? Come on dude, that is pretty silly.
I bet I said dozens of times in this thread that I would rather see Zay succeed. Many posters here care more about "I told you so" than actually having an open discussion. If I was afraid of being "wrong" I would have never started the thread. And many posters felt his spot was not a lock and he needed to step up, not just me.
End of the day, I have maintained I hope he proves it on the field and becomes a vital part of this team. His first and second year shortcomings left me skeptical he could remain high enough on the depth chart if he faced stiff competition from new WR's. Never said it was impossible for him to get better or remain on this team.
You seem to think I care more about the prediction than the Bills...I dont.
I did read the thread and you have gone back and forth with your stance, significantly back pedaling at times.
And as far as thread title, that is the first thing people read.
Put me in the crowd, of Zay will make the team. Calling it now.
Ridiculous to say he was cuttable his rookie year. He is known as one of the hardest working players at his position on the team, and has the skills to be a solid #2 wr in this league.
Your choice of words is about being right and wrong when you say someone is going to get cut or traded. And you have been pretty defensive about ppl calling you out in several posts, so I interpret that as you being upset or bothered by the notion that someone would dare to call you out. Just saying
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Team chemistry matters. ALOT. And that's what is being highlighted here, not a 4-0 preseason.