IndyJay1234

Man, I wish you were right. We have a collection of nice players. With a few stars on both sides of the ball this would be a great team. We over value our nice players and dream them into stars. I like Schobel, Clements, Milloy, Adams, Williams. I think they are nice players. Quality. Not stars. Really do this. Look at our draft from 2000-Present. Then pick any other team. Let me know your thoughts.

Just to be clear on what I mean. Last year they blamed the losses on the coaching. That has been fixed right? You can only blame coaching so long. Then you have to look at the talent. 5 years since our last winning season 10 years since we won our last playoff game. This is not a very good team.

We will see at the end of the year.

That is loyalty talking. That is your blind love for this team. Nate Clements over who on this list? Lawyer over who on this list? Moulds over who on this list? Maybe 2-3 years ago. Pat Williams over who on this list? Schobel- Now that is funny. Spikes is on the list as is Henry. Fletcher just missed out. I think those are fair.

I really am calling for Modrak head right now. Seriously review the drafts of the TD years and of the Butlers last years. Horrible. Every year I see a draft grade. B grade. Look at them now. F's The draft ends at round 2 for us. Seriously. I could not do worse. 25 picks after round 2 in 4 years. 1 starter.

Suck is too strong. I am just so mad about how we have drafted. Pissed. We have no game breakers. No players. No one that people get excitted about. No one to look to for a play. I love the Bills. Let their be no question about that. I am pissed. This really has nothing to do with the loss. I am just sick of looking at the bright side and the spin. Sick of it! Thanks for the support on the fan club.

Giants 1990 Top 100 players William Roberts- O- Line Bart Oates- O- Line E- Howard- D line LT Pepper Johnson- LB Reyna Thompson- CB These are members of the Probowl that year. Does not include Otis Anderson Marc Bavaro

Here is what I want you to do. Look at the list. Look at every player. Our best player is rightfully 52. 32 teams. Next- If you believe in the talent. Ask yourself this. After the 2nd round since 1999. Name 2 quality starters. You cannot. Jonas Jennings. Coy wire- Ahhh no. Then look at our drafting Name one stud since the 2001 draft? No one. Look at our team and we have no talent.

Not much difference? Pats- 1 Excellent QB 1 Excellent Kicker- Probowl 1 Excellent CB- Considered best in the game 1 Excellent DE-Probowl 1 Excellent OLB- Vrabel 1 Excellent Safety-Probowl Bills 2 decent DTs- Neither Probowlers 1 above average WR- Can be Excellent when healty 2 not 1 very good LB- I am actually defending you here. A punter- Yep need one because our offense cannot score. This team sucks!

ARe you kidding?? Bucs- John Lynch, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp.... Should I go on. 10 guys from that team made the probowl.

You will see young Jedi. This team lacks talent. I am not looking foward to being right on this one. This is also not based on one game. This has been my banter all off-season.

Also make all the excuses you want. You actually made my point. Look at the guys throwing the ball to him. Not good. Look at the line. Was that next? Or look at the fact that we do not have a quality 2nd WR. Was that coming up. What are you saying.. We lack talent??

His play did not impress me as much as it must have you in week 1. 1 fumble and the lateral play. Not good. He is not deserving of this list. The bottom line is we do not have enough talent to win in this league.

You really need to check the list. I am ranting I know. It is frustrating because Sullivan is right with the smoke and mirrors. I LOVE THIS TEAM! I just cannot buy they are a playoff team.

I look at the list in the original post. Fox Sports Top 100 players. These teams have 4-5 players on this list. Check the list. I found it sobering. What Bills players are potential Top 100 guys? McGahee- If he is. It is a wash because of Henry. Evans- ?? Losman- ?? Clements- No. Williams- No. Check the list and you will see the players. Fletcher did just miss this list. Moulds. Too inconsistent. Moorman- No way is a punter in the top 100. I guess i should re-phrase from Top 5 to Top 100. This is not a perfect list. I just do not see talent on this team. YOU NEED TALENT. I look at these playoff teams and they ALL have more talented players than the Bills. You cannot truely buy into the spin at onebillsdrive.

I forgot Miami- Made the playoffs last season. so 11 teams. 10 made the playoffs out of 12 teams.

Colts Ravens Vikings Packers Titans Pats Chiefs Panthers Eagles Seattle Every team made the playoff except the Vikings that missed out by one game..

Where did TD pass up a possible Top 10 pick for Travis? I am asking on this one?

That is funny. Look at last season. The guy was hurt but he had a miserable season.

I am going to post this from Fox Sports. I want you to look at the talent the good teams have. The Bills DO NOT HAVE A PLAYOFF ROSTER! Review the list. Break out the top players from the good team. Count how many each team has. Then you must ask yourself this. Why do I think this is a playoff team? Do I think in addition to all these great players that these teams also have a collection of solid players as well? Why did I buy that this was mearly a coaching problem? My point which I make is that a collection of slightly above average players will not make the playoffs without 4-5 great ones. Not when we have serious questions on the offensive line. This offense is Horrible. Kid yourself... This team cannot score. This team can dink, dink, punt. This defense is highly over-rated. It is a bend but dont break defense. This team has no kicker. Losing to Jacksonville is not what bothers me. Losing to Jacksonville at home does. Keeping a team like Jacksonville alive all game scares me. Not being able to move the ball on Jacksonville was the nail. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2965178

No, I actually screw up and reply sometimes to a random email. Seriously. I am not goofing on this. I was replying the the original thread. My bad! Seriously not sarcastic on this one.

Mike Williams would command a 3rd round pick. Look at Tim Couch. The guy was the 1st pick in the draft. Played fairly well not great. He got cut because the Pack would not give up a 5th round pick.

Bailey was a holdout and Portis wanted to get paid as well. Trades only happen rarely. Bailey= Top 5 player for Portis Top 5 player. Moulds= 2nd or 3rd round pick Clements=2nd round pick. Get mad. That is the truth.

Ok. Time to face facts. Yes we were number 1 last season. Yes that did not mean anything but stating that the ranking is bogus based on last season is crazy. This is the same team as last season. The very same. That is why all the doom and gloom on this board. Time to face facts folks. This is not a very good team. Period. Now be positive, pray to your football gods and Bill eave all you want. At the end of the season you will see this football team for what it is? a 6-10 team with little talent. I do not like what Jerry Sullivan has wrote the last couple of weeks but he is right. This is not a playoff roster, this is not a playoff team. AFC Rankings: New England Indianapolis Tennessee Baltimore Denver New York Jets Kansas City Cincinnati Jacksonville Buffalo Pittsburgh Oakland Miami Houston San Diego Can you imagine us winning on the road against any of those teams in the Top 7 of the AFC? Well, we will get to see --- we have the pleasure of playing 3 of those teams on the road.

Trades with current players. This is not fantasy football. No one trades in the NFL. So lets stop the maybe we could package Moorman, Sape, Moulds, Clements and everyone else for anyone good. You need two to tango and teams will not let talented player go unless they have a major reason to. Terrell Owens for a mid round pick... The guy needed out of San Fran. Did Ty Law get traded? No. Peerless Price was traded because he wanted out. Drew Bledsoe wanted out. It is ridiculous to speculate about trades in the NFL. Name the last trade a team made for an established player? The Bears and Dolphins. Why? The player would not sign. Ok next deal?