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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
Hopefully Milano's injury is an MCL, he would be back later in the year in that scenario.
Hopefully it is nothing and they are just being cautious.
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1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:
*****, we burn a TO already.
First half timeouts are meaningless. It is the second half timeouts you need to worry about.
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Tampering, so I doubt this is true. Also, The Jets have a better, younger bell cow running back already. Makes no sense for them to do this unless Hall won;t be ready at the beginning of the season.
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3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:
The winner of any game is the team with the most points on the board when the whistle sounds. Hopkins gives us a better chance at that than a DE trying to prevent it. IMO
That is a good point. I completely forgot about our redzone issues last year. Hopkins would improve that massively. Changing my mind back to Hopkins over vet de.
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I'm going to go with ,Kyle Allen since he will be the qb for most the preseason he reminds everyone he is a competent qb and legit backup. Ends up the backup and doesn't play a snap in the regular season and then leaves via free agency next year signing a big enough contract to get us a comp pick next year .
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Am I crazy for choosing DE after thinking about choosing between Hopkins or a vet pass rusher DE if we can get the cap space freed? While I'd love Hopkins I just feel like another top tier vet de puts our team over the edge more than Hopkins. It protects against another Von Miller injury while creating two elite de passrushers when he is back with legitimate rotation depth in Groot and the rest (shaq lawson?, Shane Ray? someone..)
Meanwhile with Kincaid likely getting time in the slot and out wide at times and the free agent wrs we nabbed we have already over hauled our wr room and rotation. I feel like the drop from Hopkins to some of the other wrs with Allen throwing them the ball is a less drop than from a proven vet passrushing de from Lawson or any other guy other than Groot
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Mods can we please combine the Hopkins was released post into this one. Not because of relevance but due to the fact it adds 10 pages of Hopkins speculation.
Also, please get him Beane. Our offense would be ridiculous!
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Just now, The Wiz said:
Yea I know. God forbid they dig up something from 30 years ago like it's the most hurtful thing in the word. Meanwhile, every other team had a shot at them that was actually from the past season. Not sure how any bills fan isn't immune to hearing about that anymore.
Immune, yes but still not like they were "respectful". I do agree was pretty epic overall though.
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41 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
Loved it.
And they were respectful to the Bills.
Love the vaping McDaniels also.
No they weren't respectful to any opponent. They literally showed our four lost superbowls. Pretty much As much as disrespectful they could be to us. Digging up the same crap everyone does. 4 time superbowl losers..
My favorite was the Lions gambling helpline one.
You guys see the Jags schedule release one? That was pretty hilarious..
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1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:
Beane was on McAfee and they asked him if he had been in talks on Hopkins and he flat out said they weren't pursuing him.
No Beane said they weren't going to try to trade for him tomorrow. Said they were focusing on the draft. He also basically said he isn't saying nothing will or won't happen after the draft. Just focused on the draft right now.
5 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:Is there video of this?
The actual interview starts at 4hr:04min
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On 4/15/2023 at 12:34 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
Darnell Washington at #27, trade up to 45-50 and draft Hyatt. Kipers latest mock has Darnell Washington going at #40 and Hyatt going at #55.
That would be something coming away with Washington and Hyatt. I'm not sure I see us going Hyatt though because of the Harty signing.
Not sure anyone is drafting Washington in the first due to medicals. Could have a Gronk-esque fall due to them.
Charlie Campbell
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Per team sources: - Eagles are calling about trading up from 10 in the 6-8 range for Jalen Carter - Eagles like Van Ness - Texans love Bijan - Sam LaPorta hurt by medical - Multiple teams medically flunked Darnell Washington & dropped him off their board
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Most people are saying roughly 11:45 as long as we don;t trade up or down. Based on past drafts that's roughly when the pick we have has picked.
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20 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Multiple Baltimore insiders
They are all going off the same one radio dj's claim. I don't believe it. Could see it happening, but I don't believe it based on the source.
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Just now, Pabstblueribbon said:
If he goes to KC, can we all just agree to never speak of this 220+ page thread again?
I still believe we have a shot at Ertz!
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17 minutes ago, papazoid said:
bills are already $20 mil OVER the cap for 2024
with 31 current players becoming free agents and NOT in that cap total.....like Ed Oliver, Gabe Davis, DaQuan Jones, micah hyde
lots of needs and running out of accounting tricks
The cap is projected to go 30 Million higher based on new tv revenue next year.
Joe Buscalia covered this in his latest articles "The draft files Part I".
"The NFL contract experts at OverTheCap.com project the 2024 cap to go up by over $30 million from the $224.8 million figure this year. And with that in mind, before the Tyler Bass extension, the Bills were already $1 million under next year’s projected cap without any contract restructuring or rollover cap space from 2023. And they have options. They can restructure Josh Allen’s contract again, which would clear over $20 million. And they have a lot of options of cutting players with substantial cap savings for 2024, and not all of them are the core assets.
So why is this important? For contract extensions, it’s everything, and the Bills have the means to get at least one meaningful contract, if not more, done for the 2024 season."
- Joe Buscalia
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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I do think Bills would be out. The Cardinals don't owe Hopkins any money. The remaining $34M in salary is all unguaranteed per Spotrac. They can cut him tomorrow and owe him nothing more. They will have dead money on their cap either way.........but that's from unamortized bonus payments that were already made.
If OBJ got $15M for one year then Hopkins will surely that $34M for 2 years, or more, on the open market. I can't see the Bills paying another WR $17M cap hit each of the next two years and it would be crazy to extend his deal any further than that to make a significant dent in that $34M figure.
Wow, I didn't realize the 34 million wasn't guaranteed in that Cardinals contract. I think Beane realizes we need to get over that hump I feel just like with Von Miller we would find a way if Hopkins was willing to play ball with us. Though if he wasn't I do agree a straight 34 million would be a tough pill to swallow.
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32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
And the reported belief is that the rest of the league thinks they will release him and get nothing at all in return. Remember, McCaffrey being cut was not a consideration.
If they want something for him they will have to eat money. Nobody that Hopkins will be willing to be traded to is giving up anything and then taking on a 2023 $19M+ cap hit right now or re-working his deal after the fact when they have no leverage to do so.
Personally..........I think he gets cut. In which case the Bills would be out because he's going to get in excess of $15M per year and they aren't going to commit long term to Hopkins and that would be needed to re-structure his deal to fit under the cap in 2023 and 2024.
But trading a draft pick purely for cap space has happened before. Brock Osweiler to Cleveland.
I don't think the Bills would be out on him if he was cut. The Cards would still be on the hook for a large portion of his next contract. I also believe we have contracts we could extend or players cut etc in order to get Hopkins a fair market value with the right contract wording.
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12 hours ago, Beck Water said:
According to Spotrac, Jordan Phillips is getting $3M this season
It's not straightforward to figure, because it is incentivized and those have to be divvied into Likely to be Earned (which count against the cap) and Not Likely to be Earned (which count against next year's cap if they're earned)
But No Way is he getting $750k plus incentives - vet minimum salary for a 9 or 10 yr player is $1.065M, and the NFLPA would not allow a player to be paid a lower salary than that.
It looks like Phillips is getting $1.805M salary (well above vet min), $500k signing, $100k workout, plus $35k/game active roster bonus and from $200 up to $850k for sacks. So at a minimum, Phillips gets $2.4M (salary + signing bonus + workout bonus), but the NFL considers him likely to get 11 games x $35k per game or $385k roster bonus and $200k sack bonus for 3 sacks "likely to be earned". So $2.985M if you wanna be picky. Rounds to $3.0M
TBH Spotrac has a note about his sack bonuses being "noncumulative" which I don't understand - I think it means he doesn't get to add up the sack bonuses so he doesn't get a maximum of $1.65M in sack bonuses if he gets 8 sacks, but I'm not sure. That would explain the initial confusion between a report that Phillips got "up to" $4.7M, vs. the contract that's in Spotrac.
That's not $750k plus incentives.
That's $2.4M plus incentives, and the NFL considers $600k of the incentives for active roster and for sacks "likely to be earned", so they count in his cap.
Yeah, I misread the guarantee as his base salary when I saw it on twitter my bad. Still he is getting close to veteran minimums (according to spotrac that is 1.16m)for a 9 year veteran with some bonus incentives. (And yes I considered workout bonuses and game roster actives as incentives regardless if they cost against the cap because you have to be on the roster to get them they are not part of the base salary I was talking about). 1.805 compared to 1.165 isn't a large jump contract wise. But this is all moot considering I was just using him as an example earlier that many players get less than what their true market value should be due to age / injury. Which I am sure you knew. I am not debating that you didn't. Just posted where I got my numbers from contract wise because you asked.
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
? Phillips contract is $2.79M plus incentives, of which enough are "likely to be earned" to make it a $3M contract
I'm not sure where you're getting 750k plus incentives, that would be way below vet minimum salary for a player of his tenure.
So Phillips got $4.8M last season and $3M this season, which likely reflects the "efficient FA market" weighing in on his value and while it's far from vet minimum (~3x higher), it agree with the point that injuries and production do influence FA value -
- which kind of loops back to the point that, while not perfect, what a player is offered in FA is a reflection of how 32 GMs in the league perceive their productivity.
Aaron Wilson
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#Bills deal for Jordan Phillips one-year, $1.805 million salary $720,000 guaranteed), $500,000 signing bonus after passing physical, $35,000 per game active roster bonus, up to $595,000, $100K offseason workout bonus, playtime incentive up to $750K, sacks incentive up to $850K
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2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Well, I don't think it logically follows that because Reid is better at scheming folks open that the players that are schemed open are inferior weapons. You could speculate that some of the Bills' offensive woes were due to lesser play calling, but unless you can experiment with identical conditions, it's hard to make definitive comparison.
I can agree with that
4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:Jordan Phillips isn't getting vet minimum.
What you point out is true as a general principle, of course, but would you agree that a generally healthy, 27 yr old Juju Smith-Schuster was signed to a much higher FA deal than a generally healthy 28 yr old Isaiah McKenzie because the FA market evaluates SS as more talented than McKenzie?
I didn't mean they were getting veteran minimums but they are getting less than what their talent would be worth based on comparable stats and production at the position due to age and injury history. A healthy Phillips is well worth the deal we signed him to last year meanwhile he is only getting 750k plus incentives in his one year deal this year. Which if isn't the veteran minimum it is low enough to make my point stand.
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
It's certainly true that FA don't always offer the ROI the signing team hopes for, but overall seems to me that if a guy is being offered a multi-million multi year contract vs a 1 year, vet minimum contract, it's because talent evaluators around the league believe that one is more talented than another.
Sort of the football version of the "efficient market"
Eh, age and injury has a big effect. You can be talented and still end up getting vet mins. See our very own Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips for examples.
7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:Yes, he named Jordan Addison and Zay Flowers. His contention is that the Bills need a "3 level" WR who can both stretch the field vertically, run intermediate routes, and play in the slot. He thinks both those guys could contribute.
I'm a bit concerned about Zay Flowers size - but mostly about the "frustrating drops come with the package" line in his scouting report
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zay-flowers/3200464c-4f57-7002-1160-832e9618f0fdSo what is your argument that they have "worse talent"? What are your criteria for evaluating this?
I won't lie a lot of my criteria is personal eye test and probably has some bias towards Bills players due to watching them more. But, I still argue many posters on this board act like our players are scrubs and every other teams players are gods.
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2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Do you really thing folks don't know that Andy Reid is a superlative offensive coach? Naturally that is an advantage.
Obviously not everyone realizes this or I wouldn;t have had an all day argument with individuals attacking my take we had better weapons that just weren't used correctly or injured. Instead claiming how bad our wrs are compared to KC's and that we need to get all new weapons because that's how KC did it. Insead of realizing KC schemes to the players to get open and quickly.
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12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Seems to me based upon data, that KC had the talent/production edge on offensive weapons last year and since SS was their only FA loss, the majority of the talent is still there.
My argument was that KC schemes better and gets more out of worse talent which in my opinion you proved with your numbers. They got better numbers out of worse talent. Mahomes makes more out of less.
As for free agency figures I could care less. Every year players are paid well more than they are worth. Look at Zay Jones and Christian Kirk. They got paid insane money that same contract year.
But much like with whorlnut (who I have on ignore now due to his condescending childish tone while debating with me) I am done arguing this junk. Agree to disagree. It is just my opinion that they make bad players look better and great players look even better with there exemplary offensive scheming.
I feel even their oline is made to look better because they get the ball out so quickly. Our oline would have looked better if Allen didn't hold the ball so long out of necessity due to his arm injury and only throwing the ball deep to prevent increased elbow injury.
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1 minute ago, whorlnut said:
My bad…Davis’s ankle caused him to have an almost 50/50 completion percentage on balls that were targeted to him. I’m sure that’s the reason…👍
Still put up quality wr 2 stats - 836 yards 7 tds. You act like he didn't still put up good numbers.
This season is a wash…time to focus on rebuild m
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No way we sell. We are still in the middle of the pack and in playoff contention. When the playoffs hit who knows what will happen. Yes, I agree we should sell just don't see it happening.