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10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't disagree that this is the most coherent plan the Bills have followed in a long time. What I will say is that it is no coincidence in my mind that it coincides with the clearest organisational structure we have had in some time. A Head Coach and a General Manager joined at the hip, in total lockstep without interference from ownership and/or other senior management.
Doug Whaley had his strengths and he had his weaknesses but what he (and Buddy Nix and pretty much all of their predecessors over the past 2 decades) never had was circumstances so conducive to success. Fair play to the Pegulas - they deserve some credit for this. Their first 3 years as Bills owners were a bit of a mess but they learned their lessons they have hired serious, process driven football guys in the two key positions who are absolutely aligned in vision and then they have backed off and left them to it.
For a Whaley supporter this is a pretty fair take.
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5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...QUITE shocking...yet ANOTHER "White Shoes Quip"....YAWN.....go figure.........
A quip you couldn't address because my point on Whaley was well-proven
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6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
Not in our discussion you weren't.
I linked to a Cover 1 post that cited statistics (not Cover 1 analytics mind you, just stats) for cornerbacks, and you claimed that the numbers weren't valid because Cover 1 lacked credentials.
That's not the same thing.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I see it differently
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28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
Speaking only for myself, you got criticized because you claimed Cover 1's lack of credentials meant that the statistics listed in one of the site's articles didn't apply, which was patently absurd.
No it’s the same thing. I’m calling into question the credentials of a non-football subjectively person evaluating football players. Same as PFF
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2 hours ago, Doc said:
PFF's grading begs the question: what are the qualifications of PFF's staff? Are they ex-coaches, much less ex-NFL coaches?
And the biggest reason for the struggles of the OL, besides Juan Castillo, are losing Wood and Incognito and replacing them with far inferior players. Sure having a rookie QB didn't help, but having those guys and a run game would have taken enormous pressure off Josh.
As for the run game, having Brown and Foster outside will prevent CB's and S's from crowding the LOS, allowing more room for the RB's.
I’ll agree with you there but when I try to use the same logic when questioning qualifications of a blog Cover 1, I’m met with a lot of criticism and push back.
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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:
Yup 6-10 , no playoffs and no high pick
Same thing I thought....unless they draft a QB this year, he’s not a good QB if they intend to tank. Guaranteed a few upsets this year and likely a 5 to 7 win season
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7 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:
I think Morse will make a significant difference. Nsekhe should be a big upgrade over Mills. Having a above avg center should help cut down on the errors the guards kept making leaving unblocked defenders. Still would not pass up a tackle capable of being a day 1 starter in the draft . Keeping Josh Allen clean and re establishing the run game should be the #1 priority this off season. I think Josh is more than capable of moving the football with the skill guys they have. Team is not going anywhere with the level of blocking they got last year
Agreed. We need Bobby Johnson to do what Juan Castillo couldn’t - coach up the bottom of the OL roster.
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
I don’t consider it an insult either. Just making an observation and a suggestions
Suggestion ignored. Not changing a darn thing because you dont like new threads
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1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:
Agree... Not only do.we have a plan but a clear understanding of The pecking order and a staff on the same page
If that’s true... who did Whaley never get another shot in the NFL? He’s working in the “island of misfit toys” known as the XFL. Pretty sure there’s a reason for it
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2 hours ago, NewEra said:
You should change your name to BillyNewThreads
Not everyone considers it an insult to start a new thread....sorry
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4 minutes ago, WickedGame said:
Possibly the worst analysis I’ve ever seen on this site. You don’t judge the value of these players by adding up their combined PFF scores and comparing the totals against each other, or comparing our highest score from last year against our highest from this year, etc. I’m not even talking about the foolishness of a PFF metric as a measuring stick here...
At the very least, if you’re going to rely on this particular data set for your analysis, at least do an apples-to-apples comparison:
* Is Mitch Morse (69.5) better than Russell Bodine (61.6) and Ryan Groy (46.7) at Center? Yes, substantially.
Is Ty Nsekhe (67.8) better than Jordan Mills (56) at Right Tackle? Yes, substantially.
Is everyone we brought in a stud? No. Did we bring in a few players whose scores are lower than guys who walked away? Yes. But did we vastly improve two positions on the line? Yes.
And as far as the rest of the OL additions, I’m not concerned that they’re not (according to PFF metrics) a clear-cut improvement. These are depth players anyway, and given how bad our starters sucked last year, I’m at peace with upgrades at C and RT and shuffling the deck chairs at the backup positions. Heck, maybe you get lucky and one of those new deck chairs is a big upgrade over last years P.O.S. starter.
But to say we’re not better at this point? Sheesh.
Not saying I agree with it. Some people in here live or die off analytics sites like PFF. If you go by those metrics, we did improve at C and RT, but actually got worse depth.
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Who in the blue hell in Joey Bock?
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11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
You guys have to stop, this does not fit the OPs narrative. Youll ruin everything. The optomism on this board must be stopped.?
Theres no narrative. Just pointing out that if you take any stock in the PFF ratings, the moves didn’t do a it to improve the line on paper.
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11 minutes ago, SCBills said:
Spencer Long was also injured, playing Center. We have him playing back at Guard.
Good point.... hopefully he can bounce back!
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3 hours ago, whorlnut said:
Qb values are always inflated. I’ve read that if Rosen was in this draft, he might have been the top rated qb. I’m sure someone will overpay for him if he becomes available.
Probably. If we trade down with the skins I’d say take Hockenson and get a DT and OT I’m the second.
If Rosen goes for a 1st round draft pick I will eat my flip-flop. It won't happen
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I'm not really too familiar with some of the new lineman that the Bills signed this past week, so I looked up their rankings in PFF. Here's how the 2018 group compares to the current linemen for 2019. If the PFF rankings mean anything to you - it appears that the Bills shuffled around the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Based on the numbers here, there's a marginal improvement at Right Tackle and Center. Everyone else appear to be a substitution of average to below average depth players....
New signees like Waddle, Felciano, and Spencer long are ranked just as low 2018 underperforming class of Vlad and Ryan Groy. Spencer Long was actually worse than Ryan Groy!!!
Many say that these PFF rankings are pure BS...let's hope they are right.
2018 Bills Offensive LIne
2019 Bills Offensive Line
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1 hour ago, whorlnut said:
They also have the 17th pick from the OBJ trade. I’ll bet they have a handshake deal with the Cards for Rosen.
Anyone who thinks Rosen will fetch a 1st round pick is out of their minds
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6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
..not going to defend Whaley nor use him as the convenient "whipping boy"......we'll NEVER know the extent of his horsepower as GM and I doubt he had the full fledged, GM like authority......he was a personnel guy labeled "GM" who was more of a gopher..."here's what we want now go find 'em".......coaches, Overdorf, etc were the final decision makers....what bonafide GM would overload a club with multiple one year deals so they would be faced with 23 UFA's the following year?...not a good one IMO.......
This is one of the great fallacies in Bills history. People say “Whaley didn’t get to pick his coaches.” That’s probably a good thing. His rumored choice to replace Doug Marrone was Hugh Jackson, quite possibly one of the most unsuccessful coaches of all time.
Also, what did Whaley do to really deserve the right to hire his head coach in 2015? He should have lost his job in 2015 over the Doug Marrone situation. Yet for some reason the Pegulas kept him and Russ. Still, if you are an owner who contemplates firing an employee the last thing you are going to do is to empower him to make one of the most important decisions for your team.
Also look at the front staff that hired under Whaley:
Jim Monos: out of the NFL. I believe I read he was in sales. Now working for the collegiate bowl
Kelvin Fisher: went back to Pittsburgh as a scout.
Not exactly the most stellar group of leaders in the football department. Now compare the group he put together vs Beane’s:
Brian Gaine (current Texans GM)
Malik Boyd (contender for a future GM spot)
Dan Morgan (contender for a future GM spot)
Joe Schoen (former director of pro personnel)
Bottom line....Beane has a vision and some idea how to carry out that plan. Whaley was clueless. I’ll never understand the support he gets from some Bills fans
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2 hours ago, Bash_Gash said:
Is he more of a Russell Bodine, Jordan Mills or a Ryan Groy?
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Whaley defenders will disagree
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55 minutes ago, stevewin said:
Beane on 'Schein On Sports' 3/15 Sirius Mad Dog Sports Radio channel. Good interview - some good insights.
AS - Think you have slammed it out of the park (in FA). Two areas of weakness OL and WR. Take us thru OL
BB - First trying to be more stout, and have guys create a firm pocket for Josh. that started with Mitch Morse - played multiple position in college - moved to Center when he was drafted. is a bigger, firmer center and we thought that was a good place to start. Then we added Ty Nsehke and Jon Feliciano who are both guys who have played and started, never been the full time guys but guys who are looking for opportunity to show what they can do - and they bring an edge and toughness which is something I think we needed to add as well
AS - How about WR position - not flashy but love what you did with Beasley/Brown. What made them the right fits for Josh Allen and offense
BB - Josh is young and I thought we needed some veterans, guys he could count on. The one thing about Cole is you always see Cole running the route to the right depth, and that's super important for the QB to know the WR is not going to cut the route short or long and he is going to be where he's supposed to be. That's the big reason that Dak went to him on 3rd down - the money down. Of the slot guys we looked at, we felt Cole was the quickest separator at the top of his route. He had an initial burst out of his break, really good at the option routes, and I just think he'll be a good guy that if things break down Josh can go to him, esp on 3rd down. John Brown – we pursued him in FA last year and we lost him and I understand why. He was going to do a 1 year prove-it deal and our QB situation was up in the air – we had not had the draft yet and gotten Josh – so I understood the thinking by him. He had a good year and we stayed on him and he came around this time and we were able to secure him for a 3 yr deal this time.
AS – Frank Gore is a HOF player – HOF person. What does he mean in terms of tangibles and intangibles. I think he still has some gas in the tank but would think for the Bills, the culture, it goes beyond yards when you look at a signing of Frank Gore
BB – Yeah he’s not a flashy signing by any means, from afar I’ve always been a Frank Gore fan and I’ve always loved watching him play. The guy gets downhill, he’s physical, he’s tough, he’s a pro’s pro – if you need him in pass pro the QB can count on him. He is a culture builder, it was classic with him walking down the hall after signing his deal yesterday with his helmet on – he looked like he was ready to go. He had an energy, a juice, just in our building that people that had not been around him before felt. He’ll bring some added competition and leadership and just a guy for people – he’s not going to be a rah rah talker – but a guy the young guys can watch and say this is how you do it. Not a lot of RBs are playing into their mid-30s and the reason he is is because he’s a pro’s pro – he takes care of his body, he knows what he’s going to do. He’s always counted on by his coaches and teammates.
AS – I love the Andre Roberts move – I voted him 1st team all-pro for STs. You took him from a division rival – take me through process – a lot of people assumed he was going back to the Jets. How’d you get that deal done.
BB – We kinda thought the same thing – but once FA opened he was one of the guys we were looking into. We had an up-close look at Andre last year. We were up on the Jets here in OP and he had two big returns on us that were game changers and allowed them to get field position to get some scores that eventually cost us the game. He had an excellent year, all-pro, pro-bowl and he’s a pro’s pro. One of our scouts actually coached him at the Citadel as well, so once FA opened we kind of used that connection to reach out to Andre and sell the opportunity here, and we felt fortunate to get him.
AS – Let’s talk Josh Allen. I am obsessed with him. QB draft class last year I think is going to be historic and I think the world of Josh and think he’s the perfect fit for your offense, for your city, for your team. I think he’s going to be a star. There were some ups/downs, and injury – I look at last year as good solid building block rookie year. What did you see from Josh, how special can he be
BB – In spite of all his physical talents, Josh is a guy who has all the intangibles you want at the QB position. He’s a big time leader. I think he will year 2 walking in as the guy, he will feel himself, and hopefully he shows that he earns that C on his chest. I think it even started with some of the things even I was unaware of – when these guys came in yesterday 4 or 5 of them mentioned to me that he was the first guy from this team, because we can’t talk to them during that negotiation period – we’re only dealing with the agent, Josh called them within minutes of it getting out. They really thought that was cool. It was good for me to hear – that Josh had taken the initiative to call those guys and welcome them. I think Josh year 2 will be able to, again, come in here, as the guy, starting when we get back in OTAs, with the first team the whole time. You know last year he was running with the threes and didn’t get a lot of reps, and he was a rookie, so he struggled early, but after he injury he settled down and showed what he can do on a consistent basis
AS – We know he’s a great athlete, know he has a cannon for an arm. In your opinion where does he need to get better
BB – It’s his decision making. I hear the accuracy criticism, I don’t totally agree with that narrative. It’s the decision making – and what it is is Josh is so competitive and he’s obviously got the arm, that he tries to make throws that a lot of guys can’t make so they don’t try even try it. That was one of the areas of growth that we ket stressing to him – is it’s OK to take the 5 yd check down and move it to 2nd and 5 instead of trying to squeeze it into the hole 18 -20 yards down the field that’ just lower percentage. There are times for those but sometimes you just want to possess the ball and keep the chains moving depending on your defense. There’s times we’re playing a tom Brady we don’t want to score too quick, we ant to keep him on the sidelines. That’s just a maturity thing. I’d rather have to pull him back then him be check down Charlie and trying to kick him and ask him to drive it down the field.
AS – Love your coach – think he has a great feel for the moments, game day decisions, defense, establishing a culture. What makes Sean the right guy to coach the Bills
BB – The first thing is he’s the same guy every day. If you walk into out building and see him leading a team meeting or practice, if you didn’t know the records, didn’t know what part of the year we’re in whether it’s May, Oct, whether we’re 6-2 or 1-5 or whatever the record is – Sean’s the same guy every day – whether we’ve lost three in a row or won three in a row. I think that stable approach – it’s a professional approach – and our guys appreciate that – that he is the same guy. He’s disciplined – he wants team-first guys, as do I – that’s where we mesh in building this culture. We want selfless guys and Sean himself is a very selfless individual – and he leads y example and I think it rubs off on our team.
AS – Separate fact from fiction on what was happening with Antonio Brown
BB – At the end of the day, without getting too deep into it – we reached out to Pitt and had talks that went on for a couple days and it kind of just became stagnant as they were waiting on offers – they had a Fri kind of soft deadline that they wanted to get it done last week. Nothing was progressing wen that report came out – we had not gotten into negotiations with the agent or anything like that which would have been important because you don’t want to trade for a guy and then he doesn’t show up because he’s nt happy with his contract. It was not far enough along to do a deal, we were definitely looing into what it would be and we decided at the end of the day it wasn’t for us. He’s a good player and anytime there are good players we’re going to look into it , but it doesn’t mean we’re always going to pull the trigger.
AS – Last week on went bonkers on this show about the perception that players don’t want to play in Buffalo. That to me is a joke – and it’s an awful narrative. It’s a great city in general, a great football town. What was going through your mind when you hear that.
BB – It was an ignorant comment, or comments – people can have their own perception – there’s certain cities we go to and we do or don’t like – I think most of the narrative it was an easy out to cover up for poor reporting. At the end of the day it’s not true – I can’t tell you how many people when they come to Buffalo they love it – they love this city, players are idolized because this fanbase is so passionate. It’s a college atmosphere. When you pull through here at One Bills Drive you think you’re at an SEC game the way these fans are so fired up and the energy here. Once guys come here they love it – I think we proved with these guys, some people were even saying you have to overpay – we didn’t have to overpay, that’s a poor narrative and it really pissed me off and I echoed that yesterday at our PC
AS – Expectations – how would you define success for the coming season
BB – At the end of the day we want to show improvement from where we were last year. Our defense last year was very good. We want to keep them a high ranking defense. As you saw on FA mot of our moves were on the offensive side – that was a calculated move and obviously we want to move that up. If our defense can stay the same, and our offense can make a drastic improvement, and we need to improve our special teams – that was art of the Andre Roberts signing – I think more wins will show up
AS – Draft focus – areas of need, BPA
BB – Definitely taking best player on the board. That’s what FA is about is to fill the needs – I don’t believe going into the draft and drafting for need. But listen as the draft goes along and you’ve filled some spots, as the draft goes along you will start to drift towards need, but I’m all about drafting good football players and that will be the focus this year
Shein ended by praising how Beane and the Bills killed it in FA this year
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Ha - happened to catch John Brown on moving the chains as soon as I was done with Beane's interview
Very superficial interview- not really worthy of it's own thread - was in the transcripting zone so including here as well:
John Brown on Sirius NFL Radio ‘Moving the Chains’ with Pat Kirwin and Jim Miller
PK - Think you’ve found a home here – think you[re going to be in Buffalo a while
JB – That’s the plan. I love it – I’ve just been up there one day and I love it already
JM – Last year you have a great year in Balt – touch on that and getting the opportunity
JB – I’ve just been blessed with playing with guys like Carson Palmer and Joe Flacco – guys that can throw the deep ball. Taking that chance to go to Balt – I appreciate Joe Flacco – he trusted me a lot – and the thing that drew me to the Bills was Josh Allen – he can throw the deep ball and he got an arm [Ed. Does he not appreciate Lamar Jackson? ]
PK – What was going on in Balt with the 2nd half with Lamar – I’ll say it for you – you don’t want to turn into a blocker all the time. But now you’re back outside the number and running down the field. Have you told Josh you can’t overthrow me
JB – I haven’t told Josh but I did tell Joe he couldn’t overthrow me. I don’t know with Josh this is a whole new thing – he can sling about 80
JM – There’s a lot of buzz about the Buffalo Bills – other than Josh Allen what intrigued you
JB – What really got me – they tried to get me last year. My college coach was the dame way he wouldn’t give up he kept coming after me – so for them coming back for a second round it’s got to be something so I wasn’t going pass the opportunity again – there’s got to be something special about it for me to go in a different direction the first time they went after me and almost had me for them to still come after me it meant a lot to me
PK – What is plan for moving up there
JB – I planning to buy a house – hopefully will be up there longer than 3 yrs. I got family back in Miami so I’ll just be back and forth
JM – See Balt got you adjusted to the cold (har har)
Did you type this up, dude?
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Beane said he is gone and will continue his FA tour. Doesn’t sound like the Bills are interested.
Ziggy.....horrible comic
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17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:
He's not one dimensional. Schwartz plays both zone and man to man.
He is a very good corner. I was on board with trading him because I thought his play declined significantly after his rookie year. Turns out it was probably mostly Rex Ryan's fault.
Bills could have had Gilmore, Darby and some guy named Mahommes...
I don’t think he’s very good. He didn’t get an offer from the Eagles and is in that second tier of free agents. Is he a starter? Absolutely I would say he’s in the top 64 at the position, but some of the criticisms on Darby are legit
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It looks like our former CB Ron Darby has not been signed yet. Profootballtalk ranked him the top free agent still available unsigned along with Suh.
I don’t think Darby is as good as some Bills fans want to give him credit for, but he’s definitely good enough to start and you would think his demand would be higher. I’m wondering if teams are low-balling him and he’s holding out for a bigger deal but it seems like the longer you’re available the lower the deal becomes.
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/ndamukong-suh-ronald-darby-are-top-remaining-nfl-free-agents
What about Jay Ajayi?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I would take Jay in a heartbrat
Ajayi > Gore/Ivory