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2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:
yeah that dumb throw 4th quarter pick to the Eagles was the turning point in the second half for sure.
In what way? Did that INT end the game giving the Eagles the win? Did that INT result in the Eagles going on a scoring run and burying the Bills? What I saw was that Allen came back and led the Bills to the lead with less then 2 minutes left in the game and the D couldn't make it hold up.
This notion that Allen's INT was any kind of turning point in that game is just not supported by the evidence. It was no more a turning point then the dropped TD pass or 2 missed FG's.
In fact if you want to call out the closest thing to a turning point in this game you have to point at the defense allowing the Eagles to march down the field to cut the Bills 24 - 14 lead to 24 - 21 early in the 4th quarter. That got the crowd back into it and fired up the Eagles D. A simple stop by the Bills D giving Allen and the offense the ball back in the 4th quarter with a TEN POINT LEAD likley ends the game.
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32 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:
Why didn't you just reply in his thread instead of starting a new one?
Because for these trolls bashing Allen knows no limits.
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3 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:
Doesn’t matter when you’re constantly turning the ball over. Its impossible to stay consistent and when your not consistent you lose football games. Just like Sunday. Josh interception vs. Philly completely changed the momentum of the game. Philly got the lead and gained confidence.
WRONG. What completely changed the momentum of the game was the defenses inability to stop the Eagles once they got hot. You seem to forget that the Eagles had easily gone down the field to cut the Bills lead from 24 - 14 to 24 - 21. That changed the momentum. Allen's INT after that was a product of his forcing the ball realizing that the D was falling apart again. What's surprising and a testament to Allen's skill is that after falling behind 28 - 24 Allen led the Bills on a TD drive that retook the lead, regained momentum and should have won the game.
You and others are pushing a deeply dishonest take on what happened last Sunday. And you're doing it so you can bash Allen.
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Oh and for the record including all fumble rather then fumbles lost is stupid. Why not include dropped INT's or almost INT's?
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5 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:
He leads the league in turnovers every year. That’s not a coincidence. It’s facts
Just last year Dak threw more INT's then Allen playing in 5 less games.
1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:LMAO you are kidding right? You can google "Josh Allen Interceptions" and find a long list too. And who does that? Turn on any of the mainstream sports shows and podcasts and they are always talking about interceptions.
This is why its pointless to start threads on this board...honestly, prob be my last for a while.
What I find ridiculous is these trolling cretins make you have to defend A BUFFALO BILLS QB who is one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL on a Buffalo Bills message board. What the FREAKING hell is that?
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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:
I had hoped to start my day on a positive note, but instead, I unintentionally ended up pointing out that McDermott has not significantly outcoached anyone in the past seven years. Even when attempting to highlight his successes, it seems to be overshadowed by the fact that Allen played exceptionally well in that game.
Yep, Allen was perfect against NE. Allen saved McD in the playoff game against the Colts as the rest of the team appeared a bit off and the Bills D had almost a complete collapse in the 4th quarter of that game. Against Dallas, Allen WAS the difference.
You make a good point in saying that in none of McD's signature wins did it appear that McD had actually out coached the opponent.
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1 minute ago, zow2 said:
There's one thing separating the Bills with teams like KC and Philly, and it's kind of an intangible. The DNA makeup of the Buffalo Bills does not include the clutch gene. They can compile some of the best offensive numbers the league has ever seen, They have an incredible knockout punch against mediocre teams... and the defense can use smoke and mirrors to be top 5 in all sorts of categories. But the team is not clutch when it counts. and I don't know how that gets fixed.
My guess is that what "clutch" really is in the current NFL is having a high level of offensive self awareness. And this is something you won't get from a defensive minded coach in the same way you do from an offensive minded one.
And what does a high level of offensive self awareness mean:
* First, it's recognizing when you have THAT guy at QB. The Bills have shown that they have this level of offensive self awareness.
* Then once you know you have that guy, Free Agency and the draft are focused against surrounding their elite QB with the best possible talent. The Bills ave FAILED to do this.
* In game situations it's understanding when to press things offensively and knowing when to hold back. This includes when to go for it on 4th down and how to approach end of the half/late game situations. During games the Bills repeatedly show that they lack this level of offensive self awareness.
So what to do? Fire McD and replace him with an offensive minded HC.
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15 hours ago, uticaclub said:
McDermott has run his course, and unless we make a Super Bowl run, his time here is over. But I wanted to remember our good times in the last few years, so let’s talk about some critical victories since we won’t see anymore in his tenure.
1) Cowboys Thanksgiving game (We arrived)
2) Perfect game vs Patriots WC (Dominating Belichick in a playoff game)
3) Indy playoff game (first playoff victory in forever)
4)Clinching the Division against Denver (the division was finally ours
@Steelers on SNF, where we used Renagade against them to clinch a playoff spot, deserves an honorable mention.
And in all those games who shined the brightest among the players? As I recall Allen was formidable in those games.
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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
He also took his team to a Super Bowl.
And the key word here is TEAM which includes coaching. I don't know about you but I would trade McD for the Eagles head coach in a heartbeat.
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19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Offense definitely bears the bulk of the blame for that loss but that doesn't mean the defense is completely off the hook.
Good counterexample - CJ Stroud threw an INT on each of his final two drives against the Cardinals (3 total INTs on the day). One gave the Cardinals the ball at midfield, the other gave them the ball at their own 20. The Texans defense held and did not give up a TD on either of those drives. And that was against Kyler Murrary, not Zack Wilson.
So yes the defense has some culpability for the Jets loss, just like the offense has some culpability for the Pats loss. It is never 100% the fault of either side.
Also Stroud threw a terrible INT late in the 4th qtr that handed the Bengals an easy TD. But the Texans as a TEAM rose up and bailed Stroud out grabbing a big win in Cincinnati.
The critics of Allen's one INT simply ignore what Chris Simms pointed out: OTHER Bills are allowed to make great plays to bail their QB out and win the game. Like the Eagles kicker who made a 59 yard FG in a rain storm.
Attaching ALL the responsibility to Allen is insane and leaves me scratching my head.
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2 hours ago, Dopey said:
He also threw a pick that gave philly the ball at our 25 yd line that led to a TD, in the 4th qtr. That TD gave them the lead. He's been putting the defense in a bad spot way too often. It's not just his year. It's happening way too much. This failure is a team effort, Josh included. Since the win over Miami he's thrown an int. in 8 straight games. That Int. in the philly game was killer. He literally lost the first Jets game. By himself. Our "best player" cannot lead the league in turnovers and be absolved of any blame.
This is bat feces crazy talk. The suggestion that the INT against the Eagles was a killer when Allen drove the Bills down for what should have been the winning TD in the last 2 minutes is beyond stupid.
I guess by responding to you I'm feeding the trolls but damn there are a lot of trolls on 2BD recently.
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1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:
To me and every other person who understands football - it is the fact that we are fielding second string players as we are decimated by injury to most positions on the Defense. Therefore, it is easier for our competition to make adjustments which clearly shows during our past 8 games. Not hard to figure out. Our players can't seem to adjust and execute. Bad tackling, poor execution will do this to a team.
If we had Daquan Jones, Matt Milano, Tre White and Von (Healthy) this would be a much different conversation! We have even had Dane and Benford out for some games too. Poyer too. Unreal.
But yeah... let's fire the coach and GM.
This may be a valid excuse against the Jags & Eagles but it is not a valid excuse against the Bronco's & Pats and but for the luck of the Irish against the Giants.
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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
You’re comparing the SB to a regular season game??? How does that even make sense? A game where Hurts had almost 400 yards and 4 tds??? Because of a fumble? That’s literally an insane comparison.
how many SBs win if Kelly (an awful postseason qb) had close to that game that Hurts had, despite that fumble?
No more insane then those throwing shade at Allen over this past weeks game against the Eagles.
The FACT is that Hurts had a very bad fumble that contributed more to the Eagles losing the SB then Allen's INT did to the Bills losing on Sunday. And yes, Hurts was magnificent for most of that SB game just like Allen was yesterday. The problem as I see it are the double standards here in which Hurts is being given a pass when Allen is not. Now I believe both QB's should get the pass because in these games their one big mistake was overshadowed by spectacular play. But to deny the double standard is either insane or rooted in something deeply troubling IMO.
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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:
2) The flip side is that Hurts took the better roster........including better blocking, receiving and running game.........and got beat by a QB playing on a high ankle sprain. When Hurts handed the Chiefs those 7 points by setting the ball on the ground and fumbling it to KC for 7 points that totally changed the momentum of the game so I have never felt that he "outplayed" Mahomes.
Funny how that TO, much worse then the INT Allen threw on Sunday, is forgotten in the near universal praise of Hurts play in last years SB. Yet Allen who played better on Sunday is having his spectacular performance negated by ONE INT. There is something weird going on in the Allen criticisms as they're getting more unhinged as the season progresses.
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10 hours ago, Warcodered said:
Honestly the narrative on Allen from the Eagles game is downright offensive, like WTF?
Chris Simms agrees:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=840417591418891&set=a.518766386917348
I've listened to the comments from some of the NFL talking heads on Allen and the Eagles game and the venom directed at Allen is astonishing considering how he played. It indicates something deeper, maybe even beyond football lurking here. To ignore the stats and what any reasonable NFL fan saw in that game to go after Allen is bizarre. It's clearly part of an agenda and since most of the craziest takes are from ESPN talking heads..........................
Consider the following scenarios:
* How would we be talking about Hurts & Allen today if the Eagles missed that 59 yard FG in the rain? Hurts had TWO TO's that led to Bills points and only 200 yards passing. So all the talk about Hurts being "clutch" and Allen missing something is because the Eagles FG kicker nailed an incredible kick at the end of the game. A great example of an Eagle player bailing Hurts out. You know like T Bass failed to do.
* How would we be talking about Hurts & Allen today if Allen had played as poorly as Hurts did through the first two and a half quarters? Well for one the Bills would have been blown out as there is no way they would have kept the game close let alone took the Eagles to OT.
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I agree with others who say that should the Bills go 5 - 0 the rest of the way and make the playoffs McD stays. I don't see how you could fire the guy especially if he then wins a playoff game or two.
But should this happen there would still need to be a fundamental shift in the Bills focus from the defense to the offense. For the next two years at a minimum at least 60% of the draft picks and FA money would have to go to surrounding Allen with better offensive talent.
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Chis Simms speaks the truth. The hate being directed Allen's way by some NFL "analysts" has crossed over into something disturbing. There is no way after his performance against the Eagles is it warranted. IMO it outlines a deep seated hatred of Allen held by a large minority of these talking heads. Why they hate Allen would be revealing to find out but some of it comes from the fact that Allen made many of them look like fools for predicting that he would fail and never be a starting QB in the NFL.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=840417591418891&set=a.518766386917348
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On 11/27/2023 at 7:29 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
56% completion and 82 passer rating is Superman? I guess love really is blind
QBR was great and over 400 total yards was great and 4 TD's was great.
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1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:
My only decision is whether I'd wait until the off-season to make a change at HC. I think today would be better as it would give the team a chance to win this season, but McDermott has gotten rid of every coordinator with the experience to become interim HC. If I thought that Joe Brady was up to it I'd pull the trigger now, but I doubt that is the case. So it is likely I'd have to wait until the offseason to find my new HC. I'd let him decide what to do at GM.
Pegula should wait until after the season to remove McD. There is value in giving McD one last chance to save his job. If McD can rally the team and lead them to the playoffs by winning 4 or 5 of the remaining games then it would be hard to fire him. I don't think this has a snowballs chance in hell of happening but to prospective new coaches it will be a real selling point that Pegula treated McD as a professional and gave him a legit chance to keep his job. Compared to the chaos of the Raiders or Panthers this would be a huge selling point for the Bills.
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On 11/27/2023 at 11:01 AM, Comebackkid said:
In the superbowl years they were very good at having the ball last and when it didn't work you could usually count on Bruce to make a play. But they were very good at scoring on the last drive of the game
I remember an AFC Championship game played in great weather against Denver at Rich Stadium. The Bills won 10 - 7 and their only TD was a pick 6. The Bills Super Bowl years Defense was much better then the current D has been under McD. And when the O struggled I also remember stellar defensive playoff performances during he SB years against Pittsburgh (24 - 3 win) in the Divisional round and Miami in the AFC championship game (29 - 10 win).
On 11/27/2023 at 11:06 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:We even changed up our offense to make it more charger-y.
And that's what you get when defensive minded head coaches run the teams.
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1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
I cant help but laugh every year when we bring in the low level starter never has been Wrs, and the fans go wild, like we just picked up the next Randy Moss
You can count me in as one of the fools who drank the Bean/McD cool aid and got all excited when they brought these guys in. I fell for it hook, line & sinker thinking this will revitalize the offense and finally give Allen more weapons.
It sort of worked for Bean/McD with Beasely & Brown but they missed on Kroft and Sanders and struck out with Sherfield & Harty. With the exception of the Diggs trade the Bills took the bargain basement path for pass catchers from 2019 - 2022. That is FOUR straight seasons where they didn't spend higher then a 3rd round pick nor sign anyone resembling a top flight WR/TE. And they did this with an elite, once in a generation guy at QB. It's coaching/organizational malpractice.
Sure they took the bold step of using a 1st round pick on Kincaid this last draft. But for this coach and GM ti's a case of to little to late. But at least the next coach, who will be an offensive minded guy, will appreciate the Kincaid pick.
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15 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
The Allen INT led to 7 pts
So? Was it a pick 6? Where did the Eagles get the ball? Focusing on one mistake in a game in which Allen played spectacularly is weird. If you want to play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game how abut 2 missed FG's, a dropped TD pass and a WR that screws up his pass route missing the game winning TD.
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9 hours ago, Herc11 said:
And if the Bills unloaded to get CMC and he had another significant injury, you all would be out with pitchforks saying "I told you so." Injuries are an unpredictable part of the game. Stop being armchair GM's when it comes to players gettin injured.
Sure that would happen. But if they took a chance on an offensive superstar who might have injury problems or who was approaching their "best by" date then it at least would show where the Bills priorities were. The high risk signing of Miller, every bit as risky as signing CMAC, told the world that Bean & McD favored the D over the O big time.
Like I said, swinging for the fences on an offensive guy at least would have shown that the Bills had their priorities right. Instead this organization is wasting Allen's prime years by skimping on the O and yet has failed to create anything approaching a championship caliber defense. That alone is more then enough reason to part ways with Bean and McD.
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1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
Normally I would disagree, but I have to believe coaches would be lining up for a chance to coach Allen. A talent like his does not come around very often. That said, I have no idea who would count as a "splash hire" these days.
Harbaugh for sure. The OC from Detroit would probably qualify. Maybe Biennemy (before folks howl, the Chiefs do seem to miss him and he has gotten a lot out of Sam Howel), DaBoll if he became available. I think Reich might qualify as a "splash hire" for a lot of Bills fans.
Now pair any of these guys with the likely available Saleh as DC.
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Poor man's Dick Jauron who lucked into the most physically gifted QB ever
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Losman and Allen should not be named together as Allen is an exponentially better QB.
Say the Bills drafted Baker, Darnold or the Other Josh, today we would be speculating on who was going to replace the coach that replaced McD in 2020.
Meanwhile I suspect Allen on another team not named the Chargers would have a Super Bowl ring or two. Because the only other franchise in football that would have squandered Allen the way the Bills have so far wasted him would have been the Chargers. Because defensive minded head coaches in the current NFL can't get O lines, offensive skill players and QB's right. The Bills success has been in spite of McD and because Allen is really that good.