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34 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Since his MVP what has Lamar Jackson shown to be? An average at best passer and a phenomenal runner (at the QB position). He doesn't seem to elevate the players around him that much (which many think is the mark of a good QB). My primary example is John Brown who had better stats under Josh Allen than Lamar. The reason I and others crap on Lamar as people want to applaud him as a runner but ignore his poor performance as a passer with respect to passing yards and TDs. which to me are what a QB is supposed to do. Toss in his inability to remain healthy inpart because he's smaller frame and taking hits both as a runner and subpar passing skills force him to take more hits than needed.
I agree. There were two QB's from the 2018 draft who succeeded beyond anyone's wildest expectations and that was Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen. But it's obvious to anyone paying attention that if Allen had performed like Jackson in the playoffs he would be mercilessly attacked. Specifically:
* if Allen was 1 - 3 in the playoffs and had played average to poorly in all 4 playoff games imagine the crap he would be getting.
* If Allen had gotten injured and missed critical late season and playoff games imagine the crap he would be getting.
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1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:
Vince Lombardi was an askhole and Bill Parcells a ditch head.
GOOGLE IT
Yes but they were also both brilliant football coaches who were very innovative for their times. They also had an uncanny ability to spot NFL talent and develop it. How does McD stack up here?
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2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
But now he’s magically staying out of Joe Brady’s offense?
That suggests to me that Bean and/or Pegula issued him instructions to do just that.
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2 hours ago, eball said:
This makes no sense at all, given what happened before and since Dorsey’s firing.
It does if you look at McD was using Dorsey to implement the offense that he thought best complimented his defense. It also makes sense if you look at it as McD wanting Allen to play differently as he thought that would compliment his defense best.
What I'm saying is that when it came to the offense this season McD created the strategic vision and was relying on Dorsey to tactically execute that vision. And when it came to how Allen's game needed to evolve McD provided the strategic vision and left Dorsey to handle the tactical details. In McD's mind Dorsey failed and was the one at fault so he was fired. But IMO the real issue is that McD's strategic vision for the Bills offense and Allen was the failure.
So who is responsible for the changes since Brady took over? I don't know. I suspect that Pegula stepped in and told McD to let Allen be Allen and Brady was to help him do this. We know that McD meets with Pegula after every game and it hardly could have escaped the notice of the Bills owner that Allen was playing the game differently then he had in previous seasons.
Alternatively the McD supporters can say that McD made the decision to let Allen be Allen and that Brady was better then Dorsey. Fine but then the question becomes what took so long.
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Just now, Arkady Renko said:
We say that but he brings up Brady and let’s Brady have Allen run more.
Did McD do this or did Pegula?
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Just now, Arkady Renko said:
I have a hunch his sources are Whaley, Daboll and that OL who got cut after signing a big contract.
Don't forget the WR's coach who mysteriously left.
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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Even as someone who wants McD gone, I'm clicking this link with a grain of salt.
Dunne is a decent writer, but trying to do his own thing independently makes him a little more desparate for clicks than even the normal sports media. Plus, his main source into the NFL is Doug Whaley.
So whatever damning piece he write about this regime needs to be tempered a bit.
That said, fire McD.
Firing Dorsey was the right move tho.
Maybe an imcomplete move as ownership probably should have fired the HC too. But Dorsey needed to go, regardless of the politics behind it or how we feel about McD.
Reading some of the comments made by McD over the last 6 weeks made me think that Dorsey was not an independent OC in the way that DeBoll was. Dorsey was a tool of McD his purpose was to implement what McD wanted out of HIS offense and more importantly out of HIS QB. The placing of a governor on Allen's play which was the primary reason this offense struggled at times came from McD. And for this reason alone McD should be fired. Dorsey was only there to try to make McD's demands happen.
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Damn this is prophetic:
Those who’ve worked with the head coach on a day-to-day basis predicted all of this — months in advance — because they’ve seen how McDermott operates on a day-to-day basis. How tangibly nervous he gets in close games. How he has never truly appreciated his gift from the football gods: Josh Allen. How he’s quick to blame everyone but himself in defeat. That’s why one coach — in June — began by asking a simple question: “If they fail again this year? What does ownership do with Sean?”
Three seconds later, he answered his own hypothetical.
“Next year if they fail, you know who’ll be the first person he serves up? Ken Dorsey.”
The coach wasn’t quite sure how McDermott would manage to put Dorsey’s head on a stick. After all, it’s the head coach’s beloved defense that has melted in four straight postseason losses. The honeymoon period with fans ended a long time ago — pointing a finger at his breadwinning quarterback, again, surely wouldn’t work. Yet even back in June, this assistant knew his old boss would find a way to deflect blame.
“Watch,” he said, “if they sputter at all during this year, the narrative’s going to be the offense.”
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18 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:
What's up nerd.
It's weird how sensitive people are about Lamar Jackson and Cam Newton - yet you're the most sensitive when people bring them up in their discussions. You're no different than the posters you complain about. There's three things guaranteed in life - Death, Taxes, and @C.Biscuit97 never missing an opportunity to criticize Allen. It's no secret you're not a fan.
There is one big difference, C.Biscuit97 is sensitive about Lamar & Cam ON A BUFFALO BILLS message board. At least we Allen defenders have the good taste & common sense to defend Allen on a Bills message board and not in a Ravens or Panthers board.
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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Yeah no one makes for excuses for Allen here!
The horror that Bills fans on TWO BILLS DRIVE might defend Allen from unfair and unhinged attacks by a minority of Bills "fans". The horror!
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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:
there was no safety inside so gabe going post there would’ve been a breeze tooAnd in the limited time Allen had to survey the field facing a zero blitz this is what Allen would have noticed first.
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13 hours ago, finn said:
You're articulating a position most NFL fans agree with, so I'm not going to dismiss you. But I disagree. Your premise if that the quality of a given QB is determined mostly, if not exclusively, by the number of championships he wins. I get it: winners win. But put Mahomes on a lousy team with lousy coaches. Does he win championships? No. Does that mean that exactly the same player is suddenly no longer the best? In your calculus, yes, it does. It follows, then, that Mahomes is in large part a product of the organization around him.
You could argue that a godlike figure like Mahomes would lift the others around him, so he would win championships even with the Giants O-line, the Bears' receivers, the Cardinals defense, and Rex Ryan as head coach. I don't buy it. A stellar talent could take a B or B+ team all the way, sure, just as an average QB on an otherwise excellent team could win Super Bowls. But you can't judge a QB with a single metric, even championships. That's not a trump card, no matter how triumphantly you play it.
Also, to say Allen doesn't play the same sport as Mahomes is, well, are you trying to be provocative? Let me be provocative right back: Allen is better than Mahomes. He's objectively bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic, and he does more with less. The only counter-argument you have is the championships point, which, again, is just one criteria that's outweighed, I think, by the impact of the respective head coaches alone. The 13-seconds game is a perfect illustration.
No, give me a choice of QBs to build a team around, and I'd take Allen every time.
And all you have to do is look at the numbers that Brown & Beasley put up in 2019 & 2020 to see that Allen clearly elevates the performance of those around him.
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3 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:
It's a long read but if you want to escape from the Bills' season for a time this should make you smile
Schadenfreude baby, schadenfreude!
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4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Ok, lets! (I honestly have no idea how this is going to go as I type it out)
2019 - Ed Oliver. I don't see an Offensive player that was taken in the rest of the 1st round that I would take over Ed. Certainly no weapons. If we want to use the magic of hindsight and say we could have taken Deebo Samuel in the 1st, I don't think that is being reasonable with how everyone felt on draft day. Now, AJ Brown or Metcalf in the 2nd is a valid argument. I know there were posters here begging for DK in the 2nd. And we wouldnt have even needed to trade up like we did for Cody Ford. But we did make an offensive pick in the 2nd. (And we picked a guy who plays offense. badum tss)
2020 - 1st round pick, Diggs. So there's that. For Epenesa's pick, I guess there is JK Dobbins right after, but not too impressed there. Denzel Mims at WR? Yikes. Given AJE's emergence this year, seems like the right pick. Hope we can re-sign him.
2021 - Rousseau/Basham. I think we all know what round 2 should have been. It's imo Beane's biggest mistake to date. However, I don't see an offensive weapon or even contributor we should have picked over Rousseau. Even with the benefit of hindsight.
2022 - Elam. Reminiscent of 2021, Tyler Linderbaum was there, I was hoping for him, but alas... However, it's not like Linderbaum has been amazing, and I dont think he's much of a weapon. I do think with either him or Humphrey we win the Vikings game. And they would have helped us get out of Morse's contract earlier. But I dont think we missed anything to weaponize the offense. Breece Hall I guess. But a 1st round RB? Sure, anything is better than what Elam has been so far. But I still would have gone Defense here and picked Dax Hill instead.
edit: I typed this out all the way until my 2pm call started so didnt have any time to provide commentary. Looking back...
So, out of 8 possible picks across the first 2 rounds of these drafts, 3 went to Offense and 5 went to Defense. Only 1 year, 2020 2nd round, did Beane miss the opportunity to add a real weapon but did use that pick on Offense. He twice missed on drafting Morse's replacement, and both of those picks were major whiffs on Defense.
Honestly seems like the balance isnt tooo far off. It's more that those whiffs make it hurt worse. Ford, Basham, Elam instead of Brown, Humphrey, Hill/Hall.
We could have moved up 3 places and grabbed Hockinson at TE in 2019. That would have been a home run for Allen & a rebuilding offense.
In 2022, I have to believe there were multiple high impact FA's on the offensive side of the ball that we could have pursued and landed for the money spent on Miller.
Ditto the FA money spent on Defensive linemen versus offensive linemen during this period. It seems that the Bills spent more on higher end defensive line FA's then they did on offensive linemen. Beyond Morse in 2019 and McGovern in 2023 what high impact FA O line signings have the Bills made? And calling McGovern a high impact signing is stretching it.
IMO since 2019 the Bills should have been committing 60% FA money & draft pick capitol to the offense and 40% to the defense. So your figure of 3 high draft capitol picks going to the offense and 5 to the defense is in fact a huge discrepancy on where the Bills should have been committing their draft capitol. Throw in the discrepancy in FA signings between the O and D and the Bills problems become very clear.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
You hope. That is fine. Unless they collapse the Athletic article is consistent with what I am hearing.
I hope I'm wrong in thinking this but as long as McD is coach the Bills will not get close to going to a SB. And no, making the playoffs is not getting close to going to a Super Bowl.
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6 minutes ago, margolbe said:
The greatest strength of this team is offense, so we don't need to keep drafting undersized linebackers and corners who can't cover.
We need a true number 2 wide receiver (assuming Diggs stays), another offensive lineman (or two), a RB in the line of Murray, but with youth.
On the defensive side we need someone to replace DeQuan Jones (assuming he goes elsewhere). Don't know how Milano is going to recover, so we should consider his replacement.I also think it would worth drafting a developmental quarterback so we don't all have to sweat when Josh takes a hard hit.
I hope that we also hire a defensive coordinator. Although McDermott is a genius in his own mind, we need a fresh voice on defense. We also need to fire the ST coach and get some one good in here.
What you posted here is common sense NFL 101 backed up by all the available evidence. And to make this really work we need to part ways with McD and fully turn the franchise in an offensive direction.
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1 hour ago, Dan Darragh said:
With the rash of QB injuries, I don't remember a year with so many backups starting. Sadly, I don't get the sense that our backup QB could hold a candle to:
Jameis
Tyrod
Beathard
Trubisky
Levis
Dobbs
PJ Walker
Browning
Would you take K. Allen over any of them?
That's not the right question IMO. It should be would we take K Allen and our current offense over any of them. I have no idea whether K Allen is better then or worse then Browning. I do know that Browning was filling in for a team committed to the offensive side of the ball and has a lot more offensive talent then the Bills do. That helped the Browning out a lot.
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3 hours ago, Low Positive said:
The reason that this happened is that the Bills never got the grace period of having a star QB on a rookie deal. Burrow was a star from the moment that he stepped on an NFL field, and then he had the good fortune of getting hurt so that the Bengals could draft 7th and get Chase. Now they’ve had this run, and they waited to pay Burrow until after his 4th year. Same with Mahomes, but the chickens of that contract are coming home to roost with the lack of pass catchers. With Josh, by the time he was playing at a high level it was time to pay him. That is why I want to start drafting NFL ready college stars instead of projects with traits. Take the best player from Alabama or Georgia that you can get. They’re ready to contribute now and they know how to win.
I don't know about this. First we've just started to pay Allen. Back in 2020 & 21 we weren't paying him squat. Maybe if the Bills had focused on the offense and not the defense we would have a SB trophy or two. You know use that #9 pick in 2019 (or move up or down) on an offensive player. Move up and they could have snatched Hockinson for example. And then instead of signing Miller in 2022 they sign the best FA WR, RB or O lineman available.
And last I looked Allen is now the 10th highest paid QB soon to drop out of the top ten. The Bills should be approaching a 2nd sweet spot where an elite Allen is underpaid retaliative to the other elite franchise QB's. Are we ready to take advantage of that moment? Or will Pegula keep McD & Bean and use our mid round 1st round pick on a corner back or safety?
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1 hour ago, SWATeam said:
Yep, I just knew Josh and Gabe would miss a wide open game winning TD... Damn you McD!!!
There is never a game in which players execute the offense perfectly. Well wait Allen and company's win in the playoffs against NE comes close. But over all it's an insane expectation. The FACT is that the Bills offense played great against the Eagles. That loss as with many others can be laid at the feet of questionable coaching decisions.
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8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
It correlates with what people with contacts in the building have told me. Anything but a meltdown from here on in and the regime is safe.
I believe and maybe "hope" is a better word, that it's a much more nuanced situation to Pegula then the one you describe. IMO last night's Bengals/Jags result provided an example of why McD must go and be replaced by an offensive minded coach.
Zak Taylor was masterful in leading a Bengals team minus their franchise QB to a win on the road over a better team. Sure a lot of Cincy fans criticized Taylor for trying TWO WR pass plays (I was watching the game with a number of Bengal fans last night) but the realty is that the Bengals template won a game no one expected them to win.
Last night showed us why it's important to surround your elite QB with as much talent as possible. Because when they go down it enables the back up to play much better then he would on an offense (like the Bills) de-prioritized in favor of the defense.
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2 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:
I personally think the non PI call was a makeup call for the BS 15 yards they gave the chiefs the play before
Don't forget that right after that terrible PF penalty on Green Bay for hitting Mahomes the ref called a Chiefs player out of bounds who clearly had their forward momentum stopped in the field of play. If the ref makes the right call here and keeps the clock running the Chiefs were going to lose a lot of time off the clock.
So yea, after screwing Green Bay in back to back calls they're suddenly going to enforce a legit PI to help the Chiefs? My guess is NY intervened there.
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The reason I think this is 100% wrong is that I'm very confident that Pegula is not stupid and is fully aware of the impact of the coaching change in Indy. They brought in an offensive minded guy with a proven track record and he has the Colts ahead of the Bills for a playoff berth with a backup QB. I have to believe that McD must get the Bills into the playoffs to keep his job.
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Purdy is a very good QB. He reminds me of Ken Anderson with the Bengal's. I would rate Purdy behind only Mahomes, Allen & Burrow.
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The NFL is insane. They are unable to make the right decision when there is something like what just happened. So let me get this straight: One of the 49's best defensive players commits a PF at the sideline and it's flagged. He then gets into a scuffle with the Eagles head of security who is also on the sideline. BOTH the 49's player and the head of security are tossed out of the game.
I think the Eagles take that trade off every time its offered. So now the Bills need to hire a big fat Gumbah put him on the sideline and tell him to start trouble with the opponents players. Like I said the NFL is insane.
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Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by CincyBillsFan
Oh I agree that McD may have been more complicit in the O's struggles and didn't leave all the tactical decisions to Dorsey. But check this out from Dunn and tell me it doesn't clash with how you're thinking McD wants Allen to be:
There are two distinct versions of Josh Allen this 2023 season. One is fun. One takes off on the run — “The crowd loves it!” Al Michaels professes — and holds the football over the goal line while staring down a Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback.
This version gets a Cincinnati Bengals safety to leave his feet with a pump fake, points, laughs and runs in for a TD. Flag ‘n fine, be damned. Meanwhile, Sean McDermott, spits on the turf and purses his lips. Fifteen yards lost on a kickoff likely means more to the Buffalo Bills head coach than any momentum gained by his backyard quarterback rediscovering himself.
This version, at rain-slopped Philadelphia, rams through Reed Blankenship at the goal line, chucks the ball against the backstop and — flanked by teammates — swaggers right into the teeth of those trash-talking Eagles fans as if welcoming a dark-alley fight. The TD launched a tour de force for the quarterback: 420 total yards, four touchdowns.
If Buffalonians could create the quarterback they’ve always desired in a lab, it’s exactly this.
But then, there’s the other Allen. The pale, stupefied, knockoff version who trudges to the sideline after an interception vs. Denver with McDermott screaming in his ear. Unlike his boss, Allen does not come remotely close to assigning blame. Doesn’t embarrass receivers on national TV. Doesn’t snipe into earholes on the sidelines. Doesn’t kindly remind the public what McDermott said back in March when, in truth, it’s fully within his rights to alert your attention to these trainwreck comments.
A smart coach does everything in his power to accentuate the first version of Allen. Realize you’ve been gifted a Marvel character at the most important position in sports and let him fly.
Then, there’s McDermott sitting down with NFL Network last March. He made it abundantly clear that Allen needed to siphon these sorts of plays out of his game.
“I don’t think that that’s a healthy way to play quarterback in this league,” said McDermott, in a video posted by the team. “It’s really undefeated that things are going to happen when you play that style, that brand of football. So, we’ve got to get that adjusted. It’s never going to go completely away but it has to get to where it’s workable. I don’t want to take his personality away from him as far as that goes. His signature. But there needs to be an adjustment in that style of play.”
Manually warping the “style” of your most valuable commodity should’ve slotted in as the 2,789th item on the Bills’ offseason agenda. But this was no surprise.
This is a head coach with a low Quarterback IQ.
Start with the player who helped him become a head coach: Cam Newton. When the former No. 1 overall pick shapeshifted into molten lava on NFL defenses throughout the 2015 season — an MVP season, a 15-1 season — McDermott was the Carolina Panthers’ defensive coordinator. One of many individuals to directly benefit from Newton throwing for 3,837 yards, rushing for 636 and scoring 45 touchdowns in leading Carolina to the Super Bowl. In 2016, the Panthers went 6-10. In 2017, McDermott was named the 20th coach in Bills history.
This did not stop McDermott from bashing Newton in staff meetings.
One of the Bills assistants Go Long spoke to for this series said that McDermott’s “frame of reference” as a coach was watching Newton — in his mind — “ruin” the Panthers. “He used to come into offensive staff meetings,” this source said, “and just motherf--k Cam Newton.” Aside from the objective lunacy, this created… awkwardness.