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On 8/18/2024 at 7:37 AM, MikePJ76 said:
everything about the throw was bad.
it was high and it was away. The two critical points of throwing a slant, never be high and never lead your wr into danger.
That throw was a classic medicine ball. It should have been right on him between the numbers where he can get his hands on it and protect himself or down low where only he can catch it.
You never throw a slant high, and you 100% do not throw it where the WR has to completely extend his arms and put him in danger.
I am going to keep repeating this today, Bill Walsh's rule, SIX INCHES in front of the numbers.
They say Coleman has a high football IQ, and that pass had getting lit up in preseason written all over it.
*** Listened to Marino today and agree it was a catchable ball the kid alligator-armed. Other than that, it is a lot of spin on the value of preseason and how hard players play for their roster spot. Perhaps those taken early do feel they have a leg up on the roster while those on the bubble will take more chances in preseason and is that wrong?
Good question for the coaching staff.
I agree that Allen would have tried to put a bit more heat on it, and put it where the kid would not have been so exposed and defenseless.
It will be interesting to see how much the offense and receivers magically look better when Allen takes the field again.
They do need a legit backup who can at least manage a game, especially with how well we can run the ball. They don't have to be Josh, but they need to be a bit quicker on the trigger.
Have to be a few guys in street clothes out there better than what we have.
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Not this season, but perhaps next they need to move on.
A history of Missing too much playing time and players generally don't become more resilient after they hit 30.
They can probably show Spector the door too, but he will injure himself walking through it.
Get by with what we have and beef up the vet depth to squeeze a season out of them and retool in the next draft.
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4 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:
Heck ya give him a shot. Always liked him in college
Why not?
Not like this is the first former Jet that has looked to make the switch to the Bills.
I can empathize with an offensive skills player saying goodbye to that organization.
Kick the tires.
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27 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:
Optimism is always refreshing, but consider Morse and McGovern were part of an O-line that has been changed. Dawkins said himself he hasn’t been with the same LG for more than a year and affects production.
I like Morse, but never thought he was suited to the kind of running plays they wanted to lean into. He was great at those pin and pull blocks out in space which is not easy for centers to do, but less so the gap blocks and moving bodies with leverage.
He also struggled holding up in pass pro against those big tackles every one of the AFC East teams we face had on their roster.
Wilkins (now gone), Quinnen Williams, and Barmore. It was not a fluke that those teams invested in those guys.
There was also the salary locked up in him and there just comes a time when a front office has to consider retooling with affordable rookie deals, and that kid VPG from Georgia I expect will be groomed to take over at some point.
The main concern I have with Connor is getting his timing and the long snaps down with Allen.
It would be nice if Dawkins could have the luxury of consistent LG play next to him, and I think that leads to better results but he has adapted to changes there before.
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1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:
This has been my knock on Sean, he has yet to provide an O -line that can support arguably the best arm talent QB in football. Couple that with his game day decision making and you have a team that comes up short every season.
The Bills OL was rated one of the best last season and Kromer is a proven talent coaching up lines.
Did they bring their "A" game yesterday, not-so-much. I expect you will see gradual improvements as they tune things up over each preseason game and those that earn it will get increased opportunities and more reps to earn spots starting or backing those guys up. The rest will either be cut and/or stashed on the practice squad if they have some potential and need more time to develop.
Training camp from all reports has had a lot of good vibes, but I am a firm believer that humans are more motivated to avoid a slap than to work for a bit of positive reinforcement. Not advocating for abuse, but humans are pain and risk adverse by nature and very motivated to avoid both (the ol' iron sharpens iron adage). This outing will be a good learning tool and will help instill a sense of urgency for better focus and performance getting ready for the next game.
Yesterday there certainly were some missed assignments, but I expect yesterday was more about evaluating positions for our 2nd and 3rd string players and if they could adequately backup starting roles and giving those on the bubble a chance to try to change their trajectory.-
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6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Didn't the Bills have a combined 4 - 12 preseason record the years they went to 4 straight Super Bowls?
Luckily, we have had coaches that know how preseason should be leveraged to improve your team.
Of course you don't want to see sloppy technique and execution, and McDermott did exactly the right thing playing that up and serving notice to all the players vying for roster spots that they did not perform up to the standard needed.
The other more subtle message was to his coaches that they need to prepare those players better and work to correct what can be corrected.
3 minutes ago, Chaos said:Haven't seen a single post in the thread concerned with losing. Lots of posts concerned with the level of play they saw. Expectations were low for everyone. And for some the results were still below the expectations.
That is a good thing.
I saw a few panic posts, but mostly been there done that.
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I would rather have a mistake-prone first outing where as a coach you have the players attention. You can identify areas where you need to tighten the thumb screws on preparation, proper technique, and execution.
You can find those things even on basic vanilla plays. And we have a lot of new drafted, udfa, or cast off players.
The main goal is to evaluate players for roster cuts in live action at NFL speed, off the practice field. And we all know you want to get out of preseason without losing starters to freak injury.
Better than coming out with scripted plays and winning the preseason and having a false sense of confidence that gets you smoked in regular season.
I thought with all the rule changes and new bodies STs had the potential to be a cluster, and yep it needs work.
Was only really surprised by the OL lack of push in the run game and folks can always see the drop-off from what Allen makes happen when we dip into our QB depth.
Always felt Allen had a bit of a slow trigger holding the ball, but lordy his backups made me appreciate his decisiveness and pocket presence.
The DL interior had a lot of inexperience manning the gaps, especially when Oliver left and with DQ out and it showed. Not a lot of push and when they did get penetration they were not gap sound.
That middle screen Chicago called that gained a chunk, just took advantage of that DL frustration to leak their RB out for the shovel. Preseason, but a good call at the right time.
Looking forward to Marino's All-22 review.
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Frank Middleton
OL player who I felt destroyed the promising career of Sam Cowart with a blind side targeting of his knee.
Sam was having an all pro game and was on such a great trajectory. After that injury he was out for weeks with a high ankle sprain and was never the same.
The opener the following season he tore that Achilles and needed surgery. Just seemed like that hit set him down that injury plagued path.
Middleton was such an unapologetic tool after that game too, crowing about how losing him seemed to hurt our team.
Don't know why, but that one always stood out to me and the way Dungy-coached teams had those kind of players.
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On 8/7/2024 at 4:28 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I think Dorsey was good. Tough being a first-time OC. I think he will only get better.
That said, he isn’t calling the plays in Cleveland.
I will always fondly remember his epic tantrums from the booth.
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6 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Haha, that's the best PBP announcing clip of ALL-TIME! Dierdorf adding comic relief and perfect timing...
Eventually he will get bored of that tho...it's like being a Ferrari and asked to drive in a 30 mph zone the whole game.
There is that.
Like when you escape an LA freeway moving at a glacial pace just to barrel into a speed trap.
As long as Brady has his fingers on the pulse and knows when to let Allen's inner dog off the chain - call a few QB runs or deep shots.
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22 hours ago, Beck Water said:
Brasky selectively quoted to create drama.
Full quote:
"Stef's a great player, and what he brought to this team was special...so...miss is...I don't know if I'd say miss. He was a guy that was reliable, that you could look to, he's gonna have the juice each and every day, I'm sure he's bringing it over there in Houston, so definitely, you can't say that you don't miss that. But I'm very happy with what we've got going on here, and how hard the guys have been working, and yeah."
That was a great answer to effectively a "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" question. If Josh said he doesn't miss Stef, it's a knock on Stef and his 4 year contributions to the team. If Josh says he does miss Stef, it's a knock on the current receiver room and the guys he's trying to build bonds with. I thought Josh handled it well, and even so Brasky tried to slice it and dice it to generate controversy.
You just have to follow-up with...
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2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:
C'mon Cook!
This is really starting to get concerning with the drops and fumbles. How short is the leash I'm wondering?
One is just concentration issues on those easy passes...staying in the moment and not thinking about your move upfield or your TD celebration that doesn't happen when you drop it on the doorstep.
The other is the same discipline Allen had to develop, wrap the ball up with both hands when in traffic and shift it away from defenders when sprinting down a sideline, etc...
Just being purposeful about securing the rock.
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11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
We all love him. I don't think he was wrong in his recent interview with Kay Adams when she asked Tre how he'd think Bills fans would react if he intercepted JA17 this season.
Regardless, Jordan Rodrigue (Beat reporter for the Rams) was on NFL daily (she's a consistent guest) this week and said Tre is doing "great" in camp.
Just figured I'd post it for anyone else who might get a warming of the heart by this bit of info.
I was hopeful he could at least transition to a safety role. Figured after the reinjury he would lose a step.
Always hoping for the best, but was understandably hard for the Bills to keep carrying him.
No fault on either party.
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6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This is going to be one of those wait and see answers.
Two things are true. Elam having his best camp ever. Bills have no proven successful outside WRs on the roster.
Except for the fact that our same WRs have burned Benford and Douglas in camp who have faced proven separators and Elam has still shined vs the same guys.
Elam is more of a physical man coverage DB who will draw a few flags and he has been asked to learn how to play zone and use better angles and leverage.
Just takes some time, but I agree that he has a nose for the ball and needs to see more reps.
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11 hours ago, Ayjent said:
Shorter is practice squad. Claypool will have to make up some ground, and right now I’d say Shavers and MVS are in the lead in race for last WR spots. The concern about WR is overblown and Gabe Davis was overvalued. Davis targets were some of the worst outcomes percentage wise for Bills’ Offense over past two seasons. I dont know if it is addition by subtraction because that isn’t giving credit to the guys who will be the recipients of those targets, and we don’t know that it will be better. However, it wasn’t exactly working as they hoped, either. Gabe worked hard but it didn’t come together for him to take that next step and I think it is because he was a limited receiver.
I don't like to hate on a Bills player just because they leave to test the market and the Bills decide not to match the market or simply move on.
I do think the media worked overtime to sensationalize the offseason losses.
The constant reference to losing Tre White who had been mostly out of the lineup for the past 3 seasons. And the "devastating" loss of Davis and Diggs.
Diggs still has some juice, but I think he was not happy in more of a limited role in Brady's offense and his contract was not cap friendly going forward with other players the Bills will want to ink to deals.
Davis is very good with some vertical routes, but the production is not there for the other routes where he struggles to separate or win at the catch point. Same book in college, and continued in the pros regardless of OC. Those post routes take time to develop so limited what they could do successfully on his side of the field and he had long spells with no production.
Josh seems to excel when he is in that point guard mode of just dishing to the open man and I think there may have been some underlying stress to feed certain guys enough to keep them happy. That may just be the flip-side of a player that is uber-competitive too.
Conjecture, but all the talk about everyone getting to eat on offense and playing their part to get the "W" seems to be an unselfish theme they are stressing and reports from camp talk of a less oppressive atmosphere with the offense.
Time will tell, but I think Allen will have plenty of weapons on offense.
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7 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:
This is interesting and can see it really hindering some teams if refs decide to call it . Dolphins, SF, and KC come to mind.
Tua got his bag and now their taking away a big chunk of their offensive scheme.
Worthy in KC will be almost "worthless" if he cant use motion to break free.
Just read that article before coming here to post about it.
Found it interesting that it has been on the books for a while and the NFL was just clarifying it. Now they need to take that next step and teach officials how to toss the hanky when Miami's guys are heading towards the LOS full steam before the ball is snapped.
Worthy is getting a lot of heat for being a feather weight that DBs can easily jam into next week or easily knock off his route and timing.
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21 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
I agree.
Of course with Tua concussion and injury history, the risk is massive, glad the Bills weren't forced into such a decision a la Allen.
And he's not the most mobile QB out there and with all that money tied up in him it will be hard to sign or retain quality OL to keep him from the next concussion.
Very risky indeed and I would not say they have a top notch defense.
They let their "all-hands" team player go. Mr. Wilkins was a creepy predator on the DL, but you cannot deny he could be disruptive and get into the backfield.
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55 minutes ago, NewEra said:
https://bangedupbills.com/2023/10/09/examining-buffalo-bills-matt-milanos-right-knee-injury/
“Furthermore, the author of the SB Nation Arrowhead Pride article, Aaron Borgmann, is a former AT/PT for the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadephia Eagles. He indicated in the article that there is no performance drop-off upon return or long-term concerns. I have followed his work for a long time and I highly value his professional opinion. “
I know nothing about medicine- these two guys do.
You may be correct in your assessment- maybe you could share your knowledge with the rest of us instead of the usual snark involved with each of your posts.
This.
I remembered that early article in banged up Bills that indicated sprain and not tear so the prognosis for recovery was good, but the time to full recovery varied.
OBD has generally been very patient when it comes to player recovery timelines.
There are no guarantees that Milano will completely regain his form, but nothing to indicate he can't work his way back and that we need to panic.
I am sure the Bills have plenty of trainers who are monitoring his progression, strenth with that knee that likely had an ACL sprain, and managing any soreness or swelling.
And no snark implied as no one here likely knows for sure, we can only surmise based on actions taken by OBD as it relates to the injured player being cleared for practice and eventually pads & contact.
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7 minutes ago, balln said:
Yea well. If you draft a SAFETY in the second round. He better be a starter by year two. That’s generally Speaking for all 32 teams
but ON this team- Mr safety - McDermott- with NO starters. Rapp is not a starter. Hyde and poyer gone. Your round 2 pick SHOULD be starting.
gonna be a head scratching pick again for beane. I honestly think he’s only good at rounds 4-udfa
Well they do have Mike Edward's on a 1 year deal.
I have my doubts about Rapp's range and fit in that FS coverage role, but we will see.
But you would like to see the kid start to push for playing time and at least climb the depth chart to be the next man up.
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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I agree with this and your earlier post. What McDermott does is take quality safeties and defensive backs and teaches them to operate in a system that creates an effective defense. It isn't necessary for McDermott to get the top talent in the league to play those positions; what's necessary is for his players to work hard and execute the system that he has taught them. He can do that with any solid starting safety in the league, and that's what he has to work with now.
That is what makes the Cole Bishop pick such an interesting one.
A bit unusual for McD to invest in a safety and that high in a draft and not just coach up a capable veteran as he has done before.
You would think Bishop must fit a profile he and Babich have in mind for some wrinkles they would like to introduce, only time will tell.
If he can live up to his college tape then he would be such a versatile chess piece out there.
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2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:
I cringe when I hear about all the reasons we lost to chiefs in the ‘23 playoffs and how Mahomes outdueled Allen once again. Klein subbing in for Bernard, are you kidding me.
Yep. Injuries happen so you don't want to use it as an excuse, but our defense was missing a lot of starters and I am sure that impacted the game.
Along with Klein filling in for Bernard (emergency unretired from a family vacation), Dodson was out there with him basically playing with 1 arm.
Benson was out, Rapp was out, Rasul was nursing a bum knee, and Taron was coming off of concussion protocol.
We definitely need better luck on the injury front with our defense down the stretch.
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What 5th round player had this draft profile and grade?
WEAKNESSESX plays smaller than his 6'0", 195-pound size would suggest. His 40 time was not great and points to an issue on film of separating deep. He does have explosive skills as a jumper and short-area runner, but he's not able to take the top off the defense. X was a highly touted prep player and still carries hype from those days. At Maryland, he struggled to stay healthy, with two straight years of season-ending injuries (broken leg in 2013, lacerated kidney in 2014), and was suspended after a fight against Penn State.
2014 STATISTICS
Receptions Yards Receiving Touchdowns
62 792 5FINAL GRADE: 5.10/9.00 (Quality Backup)
Stefon Diggs.Granted there were draftniks that were more positive on Diggs and his potential as a 5th round selection in that draft, but I thought this was a good reminder and an object lesson that WRs can develop into a legit #1 in the right system, with the right QB, with the right dedication to their craft.
We can afford to be a bit patient and see how this WR room shakes out with a bunch of guys the Bills have brought in that have plenty of potential that may never have had a QB like Allen throwing to them. We will see how Coleman develops as they work his reps in, and some guys they brought in are looking for that chance to resurrect their careers and they came to the Bills because they know Josh Allen could help make that happen.
Should make for some really good competition.
We also have the potential to have one of the best 1-2 TE tandems in the league. I think we will move the ball and have the potential to regularly put defenses in a bind between having to load up the box against the run (which I think may even be better this year) or trying to defend a lot of different receiving options that can come out of those same personnel packages with different alignments and motion.
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28 minutes ago, CNYfan said:
Pass rusher, DE
If we ran a 3-4 front that is where he would land.
His measurables are so close to Donald's coming out in the draft that I think folks jumped the gun with expectations.
Donald has freakish strength and leverage, but I think Oliver is just 25 so plenty of football ahead of him (knock on wood) and the book on him is not written yet.
If he hit the open market folks here would find out quickly what other front offices think and would be willing to pay.
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5 hours ago, DCofNC said:
You keep making the point, Oliver is easily neutralized unless you have somebody taking attention off him. He’s a compliment player, he’s NOT THE guy. Jones is THE guy, you can’t stop him, Donald was THE guy, triple him, doesn’t matter. Oliver is like a situational pass rusher, only useful when conditions are perfect. He’s basically the equivalent of Manny Lawson when he was here. Flashed when everyone was occupied, but the minute teams aren’t worried about a real player beside him, poof, he’s gone. Your whole argument basically says, Jones, a guy they picked up for a little of nothing, is the guy teams can’t stop one on one. Oliver has to have that to show up.
We can agree to disagree.
He is not Aaron Donald and I think we all can concede that point, but who is?
Donald was a unicorn at the position and could rag doll OL players with 50-60 lbs on him.
Just stating that a DL player is better when not facing double teams is academic. Donald was better too when teams gambled on blocking him one on one.
Oliver racked up 9.5 QB sacks and 72 QB pressures last year and much of that without a lot of help and when having to work against double teams, as Jones was hurt for a good chunk and they also were rotating guys like Settle next to him.
He does not have the name recognition or demand the pay of DTs turning in more pedestrian numbers. Hats off to Beane for what looks like a team-friendly contract.
And he is not expected to play the middle like a 1-tech nor is he that hybrid DT that can line up and be effective inside or outside as he just does not have the size or build of a Chris Jones 6.6 315 vs 6.1 285.
For how the Bills use him in the 3-tech role Oliver is effective and he stayed healthy and gave the team a solid performance last year.
I am also pretty confident that teams game plan for him.
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Goodness, all the fear and narratives off of a Worthy TD in preseason.
I get it... KC is our new giant to slay now that the Goliath in NE that stood in our way for so long is no more.
How many actually watched the play? Worthy lines up in the slot and perhaps Detroit was not expecting that or simply did not adjust, the slot defender was 10 yards off him and the safety that could have provided any help over top was flat-footed staring at nothing on the weak side of the KC formation. Blown coverage is a common thing in preseason and I cannot imagine any team playing him that way in the regular season.
In fact, in a Detroit review of their DB play they said what folks have been saying about playing Worthy, ...Vildor was just as good, and he did a lot of that against the Chiefs version of Jameson Williams, first-round rookie Xavier Worthy. No. 29 was in perfect hip-to-hip stride with the speedy Worthy on a few routes, one of them forcing a throwaway by Carson Wentz. While he tends to be a little grabby, on this day Vildor did a good job of realizing that Worthy doesn’t handle contact well at all and a simple nudge would send him off track.
Taron would have jammed him into next week and off his route and one would hope if we had one safety back there, he would not have taken himself so far out of position that he could provide zero deep help over top.