VW82
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I really don't get all the PFF hate. Those guys have an excellent website IMO. They're basically doing what Dr Z (Paul Zimmerman from SI) did for all those years in watching every play of every game and isolating on each player, then grading them using a standardized grading rubric. It's detailed, objective analysis. Is there also opinion occasionally mixed in? Of course -- they're writers writing on a website. There are also zero other sites (as far as I'm aware) currently doing this for every NFL player. Perhaps the only reason we don't like them is because to date they've been hard on our young QB who has had his fair share of growing pains??
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The biggest improvement I saw was in making quicker decisions. Josh left some plays on the field as a result but he made things easier on our o-line in the process. Also, there will surely be benefits to putting those quick decisions on tape. DCs are no longer going to be able to count on getting pressure rushing four which means we should see some better match ups and opportunities for big gains on hot routes.
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I agree with the OP to an extent. I'd much rather have an offense that moves the ball and occasionally makes mistakes than a mistake-free offense that doesn't move it.
That said, there were WAY too many mistakes. We easily could have had six or seven turnovers through three quarters instead of just four. The average offense scores around 22 ppg. We scored 17 and gave them 8; netting 9 ppg on offense is straight up bad no matter how you slice it up, and they were technically -8 through three quarters, so perhaps it was just as awful as everyone said. It was only one game though and the defense looked as advertised so there's that.
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I thought Ford and Spain had rough days and Morse fumbling the snap obviously wasn't good but it's clear we have a much better unit overall. I still think we need to move Ford inside and have Nsekhe start @ RT with Feliciano @ LG. Clearly the coaching staff thinks Ford is a long-term answer at tackle.
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Wasn't Josh the highest rated fantasy QB after returning from injury last year? As long as he keeps rushing for TDs and breaking the occasional long one he'll be a decent match up QB at worst and potential QB1 for a lot of fantasy owners.
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Liked the competitive nature that came through in the end but the man had four turnovers and could have easily had six or seven if not for all the drops by the Jets and the pick that got overturned. That was a D+ performance at best. If you don't take care of the football you don't win. Period. Josh did everything he could through three quarters to lose today and was bailed out by our defense and a few key calls/drops. It was hard to watch.
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4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
So Duke has limitations that will keep him out of the NFL, and Josh has limitations that the offense needs to be structured around to make him succeed. Do you have any idea how wrong that is?
If Josh can't make all the anticipation throws that every other good quarterback in the league makes, HE WILL FAIL. Windows do not stay open in the NFL, and QBs who wait to see the window open FAIL. Tyrod Taylor FAILED. The QB MUST be able to read defenses, anticipate and pull the trigger before he sees the receiver in daylight.
And, although most everyone chooses to ignore this simple fact, MOST NFL receivers do NOT get open because they can create separation. MOST NFL receivers get open because every defensive formation has weaknesses against a well-balance offense, and the offensive player whose assignment allows him to attack the weakness is the guy who gets open. That's a simple fact. Once again at practice today, against Kevin Johnson, a real NFL defensive back, Duke got open for a touchdown.
Duke will either fail in the eyes of McDermott or he will get his chance in the NFL. Stop telling us that you see something that makes it clear that he can't make it the NFL. If you can see, McDermott can see it, and McDermott wouldn't have him on the practice squad.
I never once said Duke can't make it in the NFL. I said he's not a great fit with Josh. Duke needs a QB who can throw in a tight window because he struggles gaining separation. Josh needs a receiver who can get open because he struggles with ball placement. Pretty simple.
I disagree with your assertion that Josh will fail if he can't make ALL the anticipation throws that every other good QB makes. It's not that black and white. These guys all have their own strengths and weaknesses. We didn't draft Peyton. We drafted Cam. I'd much rather Josh pulled it down and ran rather than make an anticipation throw he isn't comfortable with, or just move on to his next read or check down. Play to his strengths. If we try and force him to be something he's not, then yes he will fail.
I watched the practice clip from today. Nowhere did I see Duke getting open. I saw him make tough, contested catches on well placed balls where the defender had his hands all over it. Duke is clearly good at that.
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13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Exactly. If he can't anticipate he won't succeed. His job is make his decision BEFORE he sees separation, so your point about Duke needing to get separation early is wrong.
Well to date he's struggled making decisions before seeing separation and has had way more success in the reverse using his arm strength to make up for time lag. The front office appears to have noticed based on the receivers they brought in this year (and toward the end of last year).
As far as not succeeding without anticipation, surely we can agree that there are degrees to it. Barkley appears to have tremendous instincts in that regard. I'm not sure Josh needs to get to that level in order to be an above average player given his other talents.
RE: Duke, he rarely ever gets separation so it's a bit of a moot point. Ball placement is the key issue with him, something Josh also struggles with. It's just not a great fit IMO.
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3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
This is nonsense. Waiting for separation to throw the ball was one of Tyrods principal problems. NFL QBs throw on certain keys, and if Allen doesn't do that it won't matter who the receivers are.
The guys calling Bills games don't seem to think it's nonsense. Anticipation is one of the frequently mentioned areas for improvement.
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4 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Based on the pass to Sweeney where he got down to the 2 or 3(Carolina game), I don't think Josh needs to see the separation as much as he did last year. There's a breakdown of the throw somewhere and you can clearly see Josh threw a timing pass to a spot on the field. Sweeney hadn't started his cut or looked back at Josh before he threw it. Can he do it often, we'll have to see.
I think Baldy highlighted that throw in one of his breakdowns. It was a great throw but perhaps even more impressive was Josh going through his pre-snap reads and making adjustments at the line prior to it. Development.
I agree Allen will likely be better this year at "throwing guys open" but if we're being honest he was way behind the eight ball at it last year. Along with accuracy and ball placement, throwing receivers open probably won't ever be something he'll excel in. We just need him to get to passable in those areas so that when combined with his tremendous physical gifts he can be above average on the whole. In the meantime, it probably makes sense to pair him with receivers who compliment his skill set. For the reasons listed, I don't that's Duke.
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I agree with the points about lack of separation and incomplete route tree but the bigger issue IMO is he just isn't a good fit with Allen. Josh needs to see the receiver separate to want to throw it -- that's why the Beasley and Brown signings were so key. Also, when you're not technically open ball placement becomes a much bigger deal which is something we can probably all agree Allen struggles with.
I don't mind the idea of retaining Duke as a practice squad specialist who gets brought up for certain match ups or due to injury, but the idea that he can be an every down receiver for Josh isn't very realistic. I like him more when paired with Barkley but hopefully we won't ever have to see that in an actual game.
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Just now, whatdrought said:
Just to check... You'd rather give them said intel (which is probably pretty worthless in the grand scheme) for free, as opposed to exacting a price?
I would have rather traded Bodine somewhere else or taken the chance he'd sign somewhere else. I guess we must have been convinced he was signing there.
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I can't believe we did this. If we cut Bodine and he signs with the Pats then so be it. 6th round pick is not worth the kind of intel he'll give our biggest rival. The last guy I want on that team is the center who's been helping groom our young QB. Very ballsy move by Beane.
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He's the captain of our special teams. DiMarco is making the team on that alone though I suspect Dabol also has plans to still occasionally use i formation .
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I don't think there are any WRs on the bubble. We're going to keep our top 6 and that's it, especially now with Beane saying they haven't ruled out keeping Kroft on the active roster (four TEs).
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I am also very high on our D and McD's scheming. As an aside, that's the part I find most hilarious about the Ed Oliver angst -- the idea that our awesome defensive head coach who does nothing but hit on picking players on that side of the ball, including guys taken way down in the draft (D. Johnson, Milano, T. Johnson, Joseph)...that he'd whiff with the number nine overall pick on a stud DT. Just LOL.
I promise you Oliver is going to be good. If the pedigree doesn't convince you, or the comments from the other players, then you can still count on McD being awesome picking defenders as strong evidence he's going to be good. That is all.
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I was one of the people sort of saying this under the context of we have so many RBs, WRs, and TEs this year that there is going to be a numbers crunch, and having to occasionally split Knox or Sweeney out wide in the red zone in place of Duke might be the least painful alternative. Would we prefer to cut Sweeney? Or cut Yeldon given how rickety our RB corps looks?
McBeane did a much better job bringing talent in quantity this year. There will be hard decisions. Duke is one of them.
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Bet he makes a comeback in two years -- maybe for Indy, maybe for someone else. Sometimes these guys just need a year or two off to get healthy and start feeling like themselves again. He's only going to know whether that itch to compete is completely gone once he truly gets away from the game.
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Remember Edmunds vs Rivers last year? There are going to be growing pains with Oliver. He’s undersized and is going to get pushed around some until he figures some things out. Thankfully we have a very deep dline rotation which should be motivating for Oliver to do that sooner rather than later.
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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:
Rewatching on Tivo now
We were making a concerted effort to run the ball....hardly passing
Zay Zones doesnt get his head around.....he doesnt fight for the ball and lets Slay knock it away
The Beasely throw was bad
He throws a perfect laser to Beasely in the middle of the field that Beasely fumbles
He made some positive plays early. That scramble on the first series when we were backed up was what gave Zay the opportunity to forget to look for the ball. At first I thought Allen might have gone early but after watching it again I agree it's 100% on Zay.
Allen made two drive killing mistakes in his first four possessions. His teammates messed up on the other ones. Offense needs better starts if this team is going to be good. Actual game planning will obviously help.
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9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I hear ya, but if you recall the post...I said I thought Zay would be traded in preseason, not then the offseason. I made that post before Free Agency and I predicted we would bring in 2 to 3 new WR's, and we brought in 3 with Duke, Brown, and Cole. I said I thought he would get every shot at this team but would struggle to stand out against better competition. And if he slipped down the depth chart he could be a guy Beane would try and get some value for before being in a reserve role for a season would kill all trade value.
Everything I suggested in February has pretty much gone that way so far. The only thing left, is will he be traded (or even cut, but I still doubt he would get outright cut). Brown took the top spot, Cole took the slot spot, and Zay has failed to lock down a starting spot and has not risen to the occasion anywhere during preseason and even dropped a TD last week and a first down this week with the ones.
He still clearly has a shot to be a part of this team, but I think its proven out that the concerns I voiced then are still the concerns now and that his roster spot is not a lock.
I recall and yes you called it but I still think it wouldn't have been the correct move. We couldn't predict for sure that we'd be successful bringing in so many new receivers with his talent.
Also, having Zay through this off season and camp had the added benefit of one good culture guy in the receivers room that really knew the offense. I'd argue that on its own is worth the 6th round pick or whatever we might have got for him.
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6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
If only someone had suggested that possibility in February around here...
I bet if someone DID suggest that in February, then everyone would say "no way", "that is crazy", "he had a great 2nd year", "thats just a LAMP post", "Your thread title is wrong" and people would suggest he will never live that suggestion down forever.
Good thing no one suggested that...???
The problem with that is Zay, Foster, and McKenzie were the only NFL wrs on the roster in Feb. Imagine if we'd traded him (assuming Zay was even tradeable) and FA hadn't gone as planned? I still think Zay gets this season to sink or swim. Foster looks like the guy far more entrenched in the doghouse.
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I started to come around to the idea we might cut Zay after that first play to start the game but there are too many iffy guys on the bubble. Foster has four total targets in three games (all came in the same game, one catch). Duke over Foster seems reasonable to me. Do we like him over someone like Wade?
I also think we have to consider Dawson Knox when debating how many receivers we'll keep. Surely McD/Dabol has plans to eventually split that kid out wide.
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31 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
For some reason we hold Allen to a higher standard on his ball placement while holding our receivers to lower standards on their catching ability. Other QB's throw the ball real hard and it's caught and the top QB's routinely put the ball in the vicinity of their receivers rather then placing it perfectly on the numbers. In just the last 2 weeks of watching football I've see the top QB's make throws that were not perfectly placed only to have their NFL caliber receivers still catch the ball.
The difference is we've seen it pop up and be problem in the real games more for Allen than those other guys so it's harder to ignore. There are reasons for optimism too (I still think he's got something cooking with Beasley) but so far he's very up and down.
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Week 1: The good, the bad, and the missing
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I thought Shaq Lawson was excellent. He's so skilled at batting down balls at the line and even though his initial rush isn't anything to write home about, his second effort yesterday was very good. There was a lot to like defensively vs the Jets and Shaq was near the top of the list.