VW82
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The more I think about this pick and what we saw from Brady last year, the more I'm talking myself into Coleman being a good fit. (I have spoken...to myself)
Brady did the complimentary football thing but when we did pass it was a lot of hitches and screens...basically lots of stuff close to the LOS with some verticals mixed in, not a lot of complicated routes. Get him the ball quick and let him YAC or block/pick for guys.
I think part of our collective fan problem is we've adopted the mindset that Brady is going to really open up the offense and make it his own in year 2 in which case we maybe we have a raw rookie that will struggle. But what if that's not the plan? What if Brady's 2023 offense is the offense? Coleman can do that.
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1 hour ago, Steve Billieve said:
I agree with you, but also, didn't you just come here in 2018?
I took a hiatus from Bills message boards for a good while there but I was pretty active on the team website in the early 00s. Some of the people here like Shaw obv migrated over, but lots didn't.
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22 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
I will always go on record as saying it was imperative to double dip in last week's wr rich draft. We won't see that deep of a wr draft for awhile. And all of this is amplified by losing Diggs/Davis. We had realistic bites at the apple with Thomas, Mitchell, Leggette, McConkey, Franklin & Walker. I'll give Keon the benefit of the doubt and completely ignore his 40. I've been told by half this board that 40 times are irrelevant. But we still needed that 2nd rookie wr. If for no other reason as insurance if Hollins, Hamler, Shorter, Shavers, Cephus flame out. We all saw how useless Sherfield and Harty were last season.
You'd have a better case if the idea was re-stocking the pipeline with WR prospects for for 25 and 26. Rookie WRs are notoriously unrelaible. Claiming we needed to take a second one because we lost Diggs and Davis doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps losing those guys means we need to look for a trade or post June 1st signing. Perhaps we should've better anticipated Diggs blowing up our plans post FA in the first place. These aren't problems a 2nd or 3rd round rookie is going to fix. It's unrealistic that Coleman will fix them in year one.
We have a good amount of receiving talent in our TEs and backs. That's where we're going to look if guys flame out (and maybe even if they don't).
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The collective amnesia of last season is interesting. It feels like a lot of you processed the first half as "it was all Dorsey's fault" as appose to Josh having issues staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gave him.
The whole "maserati" thing flamed out as Josh repeatedly threw downfield into baits and traps that resulted in break ups, drive killers, and picks.
Brady came in and re-introduced the running game which included designed runs from Josh. We had Josh spreading it around with a focus on completions and keeping the chains moving. That's when our offense stopped being so one-dimensional and we became dangerous as a contender.
Now so many Bills fans want to go back to finding another "stud" so our "maserati" can be unleashed again. That isn't what's worked. That's not really who Josh is when he's at his best. That's not how we're going to take the next step to eventually contending for SBs.
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2 hours ago, Chaos said:
Do you remember what five wasted years of one of the top 2 QBs in the NFL looks like?
Huh? We hardly wasted any years with Jim as a top 2 QB (if he ever was that...Marino, Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young, Favre).
Our defense was ranked 4th, 2nd, and 1st the last three years. We had one of the top wideouts in the game. We had home field and the ball in this last one. Just because we've repeatedly fallen short vs. KC, that doesn't make them wasted years. Josh came up short this last time. Is he a wasted player too?
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:
But, I’ve been told repeatedly it’s not a rebuild😵😵💫🫣
I hate this take that so many of you spew!!!!
Not winning the whole thing but getting to the playoffs every year is worse than being 8-8 or 6-10.
ASPIRE to be a champion and settle for nothing less.
We have THE best QB any of us will ever see in our lives as Bills fans. He can’t do this without the right coach and help around him.It is a rebuild.
Josh has had lots of help around him, including a good coach that's put together a good program. You don't go 12-5 every year and win playoff games with only a good QB. Nonsense take.
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Yeah, no.
McBeane have been extended. We just started a rebuild. We’re coming off a sustained track record of success by any measure that isn’t just SB or bust. Some of you guys aren’t living in reality.
Also, why does it feel like so many here just became fans in 2018? Do you guys not remember what two decades of incompetence actually looks like??
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4 hours ago, Einstein said:
We do have an elite QB, but he is only accounting for 8.5% of the teams cap.
And he accounted for less than 5% the past two seasons when we were also having cap struggles.
As an example of why this excuse holds no water, the Chiefs have an elite QB as well. And have won 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls. Yet they still have over 20 million of cap space.
Another example: The Bengals also have an elite QB. And we’re in the Super Bowl 2 years ago. And have beaten us twice in a row, including one of those times in the playoffs. They have $23 million in cap space.
They’ve been heading for trouble ever since Covid hit and the cap went backwards. Some of it was bad luck. Obv the Von signing didn’t help, but we would’ve been in trouble even without Von which should tell you something.
I think our cap coming into this year is something detractors can justifiably point to as a critique of Beane. There other thing too (e.g. how many top 100ish picks have we spent on backs?). He also did some pretty great things like drafting Josh, trading for Diggs (who was a big part of our cap bind), and rebuilding our lines.
But just looking at what he pulled off to get us under the cap without losing everyone, and then finding potentially six guys in this draft who could be meaningful contributors this year…it’s a win by any objective standard. The only way it’s not a win is if your only criteria is finding a game changing wideout today (and for all we know Coleman might be that guy). -
2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
For all the talk about lack of separation...I don't see anyone talking about his ability to find open spots against a zone look.
I always have to laugh when defenses play zone vs us. Josh excels vs zone. Diggs and Beasley were always so good finding soft spots. Kincaid is obviously really good vs zone. Anyone dumb enough to try and zone us deserves what they get.I will say that I’m interested in Coleman’s blocking. He’s a big dude and could really help there if he’s committed to it.
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Davis was another pick within the trend of guys who can step in and make a contribution this year. No projects. Even Coleman, who looks like a project, will be able to play meaningful snaps as a rookie.
I don’t expect Davis will ever make a pro bowl or anything but he doesn’t need to. He just needs to run, catch, and pass pro competently so we can give our actual pro bowler a breather.
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7 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hang on to that Homer. We are a better team now than we was with all the star talent. I heard it on TBD
No one is saying we're a better team. Clearly, we took a step back. Beane acknowledged it was a transition year. We had to restructure everyone and cut and trade a bunch of our best guys. We had holes to fill all over the roster. You're mad because we couldn't do enough at WR. Everyone is mad about that, but there were like 50 things that needed to happen over the last few months to even field a somewhat competitive team and Bills managed to accomplish like 47 of them. It's not bad.
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4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
Its really that bad, check out some opinions outside of TBD
Bet we run the ball more and play action to offset
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1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
At this point you could line up as WR. This team is a joke
It's really not that bad. Kincaid is great receiver. He's going to get a much bigger role. Samuel is solid. Cook catches out of the backfield. Coleman looks like an upgrade over Gabe. It's just seeing Shakir out there in place of Diggs that's going to be jarring.
Bet we see more 12 personnel this year.
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Said this in other threads, but I wonder if the addition of Davis will free up Cook for more snaps lined up as a receiver.
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For those still freaking out, just talk yourself into Cook playing more snaps out wide now that we have Davis in the backfield. Cook, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid. Coleman can play the Gabe role and block a lot while he learns how to run routes. It's still an upgrade.
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This is probably the best player we drafted and yet he has the lowest page count. bump.
Edit: total speculation but one thing this pick might do is re-energize McD. Poyer and Hyde were getting old and slow. Bishop is fast, plays all over the field, and Qbs the defense.
With Milano and Von back, there's a chance our defense will be really, really good this year.
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7 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
A large chunk of the fanbase is still in denial.
Believe me, I went into the offseason with the same attitude. Cut a few aging vets. Make a few smart free agent signings. Kill the draft. Get some bargains post June as the cherry on top, and prepare for another AFC East title. Hopefully more this time. Other teams (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, San Francisco, etc.) seem to keep the ball rolling year after year after year. Why can't we? I laughed off all the media folks saying the window was closed, and the Bills would be rebuilding.
But I was wrong. Without clearly saying it, Brandon Beane has sent the clear message we are NOT expecting a deep run this year. This offseason absolutely is a total rebuild. Every single move he's made screams that he's building for 2025, and I'm shocked that some people can't see it.
The Jets are winning the AFC East. It won't be close. And we may even get passed by Miami this year.
Or some of these young guys might surprise and we might get more from guys like Milano and Von Miller than some are expecting. We still have Josh and no one else in the AFCE has Josh. But yes, it's a rebuilding year.
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8 minutes ago, FireChans said:
What exactly did he pull off?
Two months ago we were like 50M over the cap and it looked like we would lose everyone. Beane got basically every vet to restructure or they were cut/traded, and in the case of Von he actually gave up guaranteed money. We got to bring back guys like Epenesa and Jones who I was sure were goners. We got to sign a guy like Curtis Samuel. That's rabbit out of the hat type stuff.
But even still, we went into this draft with major holes at not only WR but C, S, DT, DE, RB, ST. Unproven guys all over the roster. I'm not sure about Coleman, but Bishop, Carter, Davis, VPG, and Solomon are all guys we can probably count on to play meaningful snaps for us at some point this year. Including Coleman, that's six guys. Name me another draft we've had where we're projecting six rookies to play. I'm not saying we found a bunch of studs, but some of them look like great pick ups for where they were drafted.
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I give Beane an A grade to date for the job he's done over the last two months. We weren't in a position to force anything. Instead, we made lemonade out of lemons. I really don't think you guys are giving him the credit he deserves for what he just pulled off.
All this angst is mostly just fans getting pissed because they want to see a team specifically built around Josh, and Beane didn't do that this time. We opted to address teamwide needs rather than just wideout needs, and thank goodness because we had a lot of roster holes. And BTW, drafting your center of the future because you had the foresight to trade back IS building around Josh.
Saying this team is in transition is just stating the obvious. I like that he isn't trying to fake sell us on anything, and that it looks like there's an actual plan in place for the rebuild.
Also, one of the great things about this year is they get to play without any expectations. No one expects us to win the SB. We might get some welcomed surprises.
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3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:
This draft reminds me a lot of the first McDermott draft, where it seemed the bills placed high priority on character, locker room fit, leadership and college production
Slight change from when the bills were draft more on athleticism and potential the last couple years
We're back to rebuilding the foundation. We had some pretty good teams for a few years there where the foundation had already been built, and so we were able to shoot for upside with guys like Cook and Kincaid. Hopefully, we can get back to being so good we can afford to do that stuff again.
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19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
But when they moved Diggs, they created a massive hole at WR. You can't equate the need at WR with the need for a backup DT or RB. Yes those were both needs but only after adequately addressing WR.
Our only hope is a trade for a veteran.
We did address receiver with our first pick. Beane wasn't even hiding it this year going from top priority to the next to the next in order of roster needs. And yes, we need to sign/trade for a veteran as well.
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2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Which is arguably the most important lens. This offense is not going to be good and I think the defense won't be great either
The offense won't be good? We have a top 3 QB, a top 10 Oline, a top 5 TE group, and top 5 backfield.
Our defense has a much better chance to be good with the players we added yesterday and today. Bishop and Carter, in particular, should help right away. We get Milano and Von back. Defense will be fine.
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1 minute ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:
This was one of the deepest WR drafts ever. If we didn’t come out of it with a top shelf WR then that’s a failure
As I laid out in my previous post, we had many more needs than just WR. We came out of it with multiple starters, depth pieces, and prospects in a year where we were desperate for bodies. It's a win in every way but through the receiver lens.
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I quite like this draft outside of the Coleman pick. I'm assuming VPG will start in which case we picked up three starters in Coleman, Bishop, and VPG. Carter and Davis will be rotational players. Soloman looks like he could be a useful DPR.
Let's not forget where this roster was two months ago. Beane pulled a rabbit out of his hat to get to this point.
We didn't get a stud receiver, and in fact we still need another stopgap. Rome wasn't built in a day. Too many people got too caught up in this being the greatest wr draft since sliced bread. We'll fix it next year. In the meantime, now we can actually field a competitive team which I wasn't certain we'd be able to do 8 weeks ago.
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Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by VW82
I think all four of Kinkaid, Coleman, Shakir, and Samuel will be deep threats: the first two with their size/hands, and the last two with their speed to take the top off.
The verticals in Brady's offense aren't going anywhere, and I bet we hit on more of those this year because we're going to be a good running team from the jump. My point was more that we're probably not going to see a bunch of double moves and hard digs across the middle because we didn't see much of that from Brady last year, so it's not that big of a deal that I don't trust Coleman to beat anyone with that stuff.