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Allen sucks, his accuracy is horrible. No way he is an NFL QB. LOL.
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12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
More name calling...sad that your anger won’t allow you to have a civil conversation...therefore I am bowing out of this little chat...best of luck.
Perfect, seeing as you are clueless about football. Not much to chat about with a troll that doesn't like the Bills.
8 minutes ago, familykwi said:Given that there's really only been one Peyton pre-snap, that's not outrageous to say. There is a reason Peyton is the name you use there. Peyton also had A LOT of grooming even before the NFL. Josh doesn't have enough hours in a day to make up that prep time. Let's not be so touchy.
My concern with Josh is his ability to adjust. He came into the draft with concerns about completion percentage. Dilfer makes the point that completion % and accuracy are not the same. Fair enough. Since the NFL does not require throws off of a crossbar, Josh's challenge has been and still is throwing the ball in a manner that allows his receivers to catch it. That is what makes a championship QB. Josh came into the season knowing this is a problem and it still appears to be a problem. I think he's more exciting to watch than the previous few QBs, but he'll eventually need to be BETTER than them also, not just exciting.
He is a rookie. Mayfield has thrown 3 interceptions in the 1st half against the Texans today. Josh did better than that against them. Why can't you guys wait until there is enough of a body of work to go off of. Didn't Goff and others show you that,?
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1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:
Why so angry bro? It is what it is...no need for name calling.
edit...another inaccurate pass to a wide open Zay
JAClueless. Does he not get credit for the passes he makes? You are the type of dink who will say he has an interception because of the last play at the half. If it weren't for special teams we would be winning. Even though the troll in you doesn't want that. Why so clueless bro?
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3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I am concerned about the ducks coming out of Allen’s hand - wondering about his elbow.
It really showed up on the TD pass. Not. Or some of the other lasers he threw. I saw some of the floaters which is unusual for him, but it happened to him before the injury.
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Also Benjamin is garbage
And you just figured this out about KB?
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
Another inaccurate pass on 3rd down...Allen is pleading my case for me- I don’t even need to say anything...receiver was wide open.
edit...another pass to kB not even close
Are you goofy? And what about the pass KB dropped at the 4 yard line? And the special teams? And the line holding? Allen started out slow and has been excellent since. You are a troll, not a fan. Whatever you do, don't look at the qb run that was called back, or the TD pass he made. Or the scrambles he made because the line sucks. And how many times he should have been tackled but shrugged it off. If special teams would hold up their end he would probably already scored again. You know very little about football and your hatred of Allen is showing up big time. You want him to do poorly. You are a big time troll who definitely isn't a fan. You are a sad little feller.
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Just now, JaCrispy said:
All us “doubters” are hoping to be proven wrong, but until that happens, all we can go on are the numbers, and the numbers, so far, say he’s the worst QB in the league...couple that with his lack of production in a weak conference in college is not me being a hater, but a realist.
of course I want him to be great, but he hasn’t done anything at any level to make you think that will happen on a consistent basis...I’m sorry you don’t like that- I don’t either...but at this point it is a fact of life- not me being a hater.
What don't you get about winning? He won in college and he is winning at this level. He is a leader, so stick the stats up your gazoo and look at the big picture. I was at his college games, you read some stats, what don't you get? You know nothing about what he had to work with in college. And you overlook what he has to work with on the Bills. If you want to stack the deck and play ignorant, keep it up as you are doing a great job. He didn't go 7th in the draft because no one wanted him. And he already looks better than Darnold and Rosen. And a bunch of people who do this for a living disagree with your poor evaluation. You are a sad excuse for a fan and even a spectator. You know very little about football but like to act like you do. So you know more than McDermott and Beane? I think not. And how were Allens numbers bad last week? Give it up, you suck at this.
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20 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:
His NFL numbers are pretty straight forward, that's cool. The guy has has played in 7 games and thrown 158 passes. Besides PFF has proven in the past that their QB ratings are suspect. As for the college numbers, like I said before, he played in an very different offense than everyone on that list. He threw the ball 15-25 times a game and Wyoming ran a lot more deep routes that take time to develop than most big college programs. If he were at Oklahoma and other number of colleges that throw 30-50 times a game with a lot more screens and shorter routes his completion percentage would have been a lot higher. They also mention in the article about how the biggest take away is Allen's struggles with the blitz, but to my eye he has looked very good against the blitz in the NFL.
That is the last I'll have to say here. I only have so much time in a day to argue with loud mouth malcontents who would rather have Josh Allen fail to prove they are right, rather than enjoy the fact that he is winning us games, which is what he did against Jacksonville.
Good post K Gun. People too lazy to watch actual game film and have to go off something they read is crap. I never missed a home game of Allen's at UW. People too lazy to dig in and learn the real story need to take a step back. When all these people need to be eating crow, they will find some smsll way to take away from what Allen did. In a post earlier this year a poster claimed Allens passing yards weren't as good as they looked because they came off of screens and dumpoffs. Now posters are claiming he doesn't check down enough. And you never hear about how well he distributes the ball. Hitting 8 or 9 different receivers. But yet he has slow eyes, doesn't read his progressions, locks in on receivers, or only looks at one third of the field, etc, etc, etc.
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3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
Please stop with the 3rd grade accusations...if you want a legit conversation, ad hominem attacks in an attempt to discredit a view you disagree with is not the best route to go... however, if you just want an echo chamber of your own thoughts, carry on.
while I will admit Allen was not my first choice, I am anything but s hater...he does a lot of nice things to be excited about...however, ask anyone and they will tell you he averages about 2-3 passes a game of erratic throws...this goes back to his college days, so this is nothing new.
just because I would like him to clean it up does not make me hater, but someone who would like him to be the best possible QBs he can be ?
It makes you a hater because you can't get past it in your posts. Go back and read them. You keep poking at him every chance you get. I live in Laramie Wyoming and know exactly what he did as a player there. If you knew anything about his OC , offense , and lack of talent around him you could see past your dislike of him. Start to understand him. Big deal about some erratic throws. How about the throws that are dropped? Or the receivers that don't have enough talent to catch, get separation, or run a clean route? I hear nothing from you about that. Or Allen moving in the pocket to avoid sacks, making the line look better than they are. He is a rookie, why are all you doubters not giving him a little slack? So don't roll up and point fingers at me, I am way more positive about the Bills as a whole than you. The only Bill I single out is Benjamin. He is lazy, entitled, and a cancer to the team.
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4 hours ago, NewDayBills said:
Allen has thrown plenty. Allen's problem is he always goes for the big play, he's never content with checking it down. Elite NFL QBs check down to their RBs 8x a game. Allen never does it.
8 times a game? And you came up with that on your own? What a magical number. Just teasing ya. Every qb is different, same goes with offenses. Most elite qb's can't run like Allen. And again, he is a rookie. He will get it soon enough. The game is slowing down for him, but not quite slow enough yet. He played exactly like this his last season at Wyoming because he didn't have receivers that could get seperation or catch the ball. He can sling it with the best of them, but he is trying to protect the ball and give his team a chance to win. When he really feels it is his team and the coaches give him the green light, he will make amazing throws.
But expect the interception ratio to go up with the TD ratio. With his arm strength, he will get big numbers. He is still putting it all together. Have a little patience, I think Allen and the team will grow together. It is going to be fun to watch. He doesn't at this point have even one receiver he can truly trust yet. That will change. Every good QB has that go to guy. Remember, he is a rookie that keeps progressing every game for the most part. Next year they may start out slow because they are still meshing, but it will happen. They will be in the playoffs next year if Allen is healthy . And I am not saying he will finish this year without any bad games, but he will keep improving. I look for them to use the down and out more and expoit his arm strength to set up bigger plays.
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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
No what ifs, he was 9-7 in 2005 after taking over a team that was 4-12 the previous year. Those are facts. The Dolphins tried to sign Drew Brees but he failed the physical. This isn’t some far-fethched “if my aunt was an uncle” scenario. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1448986-miami-dolphins-nick-saban-says-team-offered-drew-brees-contract-in-2006.amp.html
He was 6-10 his 2nd and last year. He also lied to the Dolphin players and owners saying he wasn't going back to Alabama. Nice role model you picked. And that is a what if scenario with Brees. That is like saying what if none of the receivers dropped any of Allens passes would everyone be on his bandwagon? What if posts are retarded. 6-10???? Even the Bills will get to at least that this year.
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3 hours ago, fansince88 said:
I honestly can say I have never had it. That said he is probably paying it forward to his linemen.
For blocking or not blocking? Two ways to look at it after reading this thread. Lol.
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6 hours ago, #34fan said:
Because he's been killing it with college players ever since he's got to Tuscaloosa... Plus, he's got a killer supporting staff... Bills 42 Bama 14... Back-door 4th
quarter TD kills the spread.
He couldn't kill it with NFL players, but he could with college players? You are killing me Smalls.
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6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
He was 9-7 with trash talent in year one. If he picked Brees instead of Culpepper he’d still be coaching.
I do love all the what if people. Coulda, shoulda, blah ,blah, blah. If my uncle was a woman he would have been my aunt. Hypothetical crap like that does nothing for me. It is like saying if so and so would have caught that ball like he should have , we would have won the game. In high school track I would always beat this same kid in the 100 yard dash. And every time after the race he would say " I almost beat you". I would just smile and rub the 1st place medal between my fingers as I walked away. If the guy would have trained harder instead of being satisfied with coming in second ,he wouldn't have to settle. He is probably still walking around in life telling himself "what if " scenarios. I just chuckle when people come on here with their what if posts.
5 hours ago, mannc said:Jeudy and Waddle might both start for the Bills. And Waddle is a true freshman.
Ask guys in the NFL who’ve played for and against Alabama. They completely disagree.
Please show one quote where NFL players completely disagree. And not one that is a reporter or tv analyst. They get paid to stir things up and get reviews. Just find one NFL player.
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On 11/30/2018 at 1:57 AM, #34fan said:
Bills By 28.... Coaching would be a huge factor in this contest, and sorry, but Bama would have an advantage there... I'd expect Bama's defense to shock the skeptics with their ability to disrupt Allen's process, and keep him off-base... -Bama loses, but covers by half a point.
I do believe Alabama's coach had a team in the NFL called the Miami Dolphins. What happened to his genius coaching? Game over. If he couldn't do it with pro athletes, what makes you think he could do it with college players?
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21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
Most of these guys rent, so that isn't important to them. Plus they should worry about trying to get their money back if the buy a Buffalo mansion and then try to sell it.
A question for Beane: does any free agent ever say "who's your QB?"
Winning is nice, but it's really about the take home dollars.
Why wouldn't a free agent know who the qb is on a pro team? And winning helps out endorsements. A lot of athletes make more money in endorsements than they do in salary.
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11 hours ago, JaCrispy said:
Honestly, he is so raw it may take him 5 years before he reaches his potential...the pass may have been tipped...but we know that his accuracy can be spotty at times, too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a poor throw.
Boy oh boy, you sure make it hard to tell that your are an Allen hater. All he has done is progress at a very high rate with hardly any weapons and a very suspect line. Only won three games out of the 5 he has finished, and is a rookie on top of it. Is he supposed to be playing like Kelly did during the Super Bowl years for you to say he is ok? Too funny. Are you really a Bills fan?
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13 hours ago, ctk232 said:
I agree, though I wonder how much of that is still because he's a rookie with potential and that's what we get excited for, and how much of it is just him playing the position making us feel that way.
Either way, our receivers lose that much more from their gas tanks every time he scrambles...it's fine to have a QB that can extend plays, but when you literally live off of scrambling on the majority of passing downs, that means your receivers are running broken routes for that much longer as well. Come the third and fourth quarter when you need separation outside the numbers and on deep middle routes, it won't be there. You want to have confidence in your QB to execute the game plan, not the broken game plan because you held the ball for too long.
No one minds Allen scrambling to extend plays as long as he also completes the passes and plays 3-5 seconds after the snap. While he did do better in this regard, you also see him staring down the rush and missing open receivers - a la KB was open on a mesh route while Allen focused on Smith/Jack blitzing.
First of all our receivers don't get seperation. Secondly KB would have dropped it. Any more what ifs?
12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:I dont want to see these schemed runs with him........the stuff where he scrambles I can live with....the guy is a clydesdale and needs to be throwing from the pocket (when there is one)
Do you actually know what a Clydesdale is? I have never seen one run away from everyone for 45 yards. Some of you haters come up with the damndest things. Laughable.
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14 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
Zay does not at all look like hes worth the pick.
He looks like a career JAG to this point. He's had a couple games where he looks competent, outside of that he's been nonexistent.
As for Edmunds, I think he'll be a good defensive player in this league. He is too talented not to be. It just might not be at MLB. He has been too often lost at the position to this point and was the major reason the Jags did whatever they wanted to on the ground in that first half last week.
I wouldnt say he's been playing well at all like many fans here claim. He's shown excellent flashes(like that tipped INT last week) but has mostly been extremely inconsistent and out of position way too many times.
Vander Esch hasn't been nearly as inconsistent as Edmunds. He's been terrific.
Why doesn't anyone give Zay the benefit of the doubt. Once Allen gets going and starts targeting him, he will hit another gear. It would help Zay to have had a qb, and other receivers that can hurt a defense by stretching them. Then the safeties couldn't cheat over as much. Hard to compare receivers when teams are showing way different offenses.
I watched Vander Esche a lot as he played in the MWC and against Wyoming every year. He has a nose for the ball. He was fun to watch. I was wondering if playing for a non P5 team would hurt him. Evidently it hasn't.
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2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
I think Josh has to hit the weight room hard and squeeze every ounce of athletic ability out of his body.
He’s never going to be Drew Brees accurate, or Peyton Manning-like pre-snap.
He looks like he will have to get by on broken plays and rolling out of the pocket.
To do that he has to build on his frame and try to make rare plays with physical ability.
He is a rookie, geez. And you came by this after 5 and a half games? What about the Rams QB? Did you guess right about him? I could go on but why bother.
2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:I think Josh has to hit the weight room hard and squeeze every ounce of athletic ability out of his body.
He’s never going to be Drew Brees accurate, or Peyton Manning-like pre-snap.
He looks like he will have to get by on broken plays and rolling out of the pocket.
To do that he has to build on his frame and try to make rare plays with physical ability.
Build on that frame that just ran for 100 yards and mowed over linebackers? Too funny. Where do you guys come from?
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On 11/17/2018 at 9:14 PM, Buffalo Ballin said:
I made my mistake and owned up to it twice. But lemme guess, you're the type who is never going to let it go. Hey, what if Josh Allen is a BUST? Can you own up to that? He looks like it RIGHT NOW. In one game, Barkley out played Josh Allen, Nate Peterman, AND Derek Anderson. Barkley should start again. I wanna see if it was a fluke.
Allen doesn't look like a bust. He looks like the 2nd best rookie qb after Mayfield. The key word is rookie. Some people wouldn't know football if one hit them in the noggin.
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On 11/29/2018 at 8:42 PM, NoSaint said:
Fiesty come back to me noting that 8 completions isn’t a big enough sample to comment on YPC, or really much of anything.
i think you are reading insults that aren’t actually being made, sir
If they aren't insults, they are really as close as you can get to it. I was going off of your body of work. If you are an Allen fan, you hide it well.
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16 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
Doesn’t that amount to “our OC doesn’t trust our qb so you can’t say the lack of attempts are a reflection on our qb?” Im not even knocking the guy, just saying you can’t get too high (or low) off the very limited amount he did... at their core I find your post defending allen more insulting to him than mine tempering expectations.
It is more of an issue with lack of talent on the team. Why put a rookie in those situations. Look what it is doing for Rosen and Sammy Boy Darnold. Interception City. In case you haven't noticed, Allen has been protecting the ball. Allen has the least amount of talent to work with. I really hope you have more football iq than you are putting out on here.
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1 hour ago, TaskersGhost said:
That's exactly right.
Just like every franchise QB, Allen's success as such is going to be directly tied to his ability to run the short-medium passing game. His rushing is great, exciting, but eventually it's going to get him killed, particularly since so many times he goes head-first and doesn't protect himself. If the team wants him around for any length of time then they need to seriously work on that.
Otherwise, there isn't nor has been a "strong-armed QB" in the modern NFL that became a franchise QB based exclusively on having a strong arm and a deep-game in the absence of the short-medium game. So if he can't develop that, then he won't work out. If he can, then his deep game will merely be gravy.
Not team lives on the deep ball and it's a fool's game to attempt to do so. Allen's numbers to date are all but a carbon copy of another strong-armed QB with even better collegiate credentials that we drafted, over his first 6 games. Losman was unable to master that short-medium game.
If Allen can do it, then he'll be entrenched as the QB for hopefully a decade-and-a-half. If not, then the team will be looking for another QB in the 2020 draft again. This past game didn't prove his naysayers incorrect, and winning a game because of a 100-yard rushing performance by your QB is an unlikely occurrence unless people seem to think that Allen's going to log 1,000+ rushing yards every season.
He was 4 for 11 for 35 yards in the 2nd half. He had two impressive pass plays that totaled 107 of his 160 passing yards. There was absolutely nothing impressive about his passing otherwise. Two plays a game is hardly enough to produce consistent QB play and do not a QB make. He was 6 for 17 for 53 yards otherwise. He'll have to start producing much better than that to cement himself as a franchise QB, much. And in being honest, that deep play to Foster was due to fortunate slack coverage by Jax's Safety. Great play, but let's at least be honest about what it was. Plays like that simply don't develop like that on a regular basis.
As of now, when he drops back, he seems to make one read, if that pass isn't possible he has a tendency to take off running or scrambling. There are exceptions, but that's his current steady-state level of play. In this last game, I watched the "every-snap" for Allen and didn't see him look to a second option once. Unfortunately, that's not a trait that makes up the franchise QBs in the league. Quite the opposite in fact.
If you only knew as much as you think you do. And he did go through his progressions. More knowledgeable people than you have already said it. A thing you should know, Daboll is taking a page out of Wyoming's boring ass playbook. In Allens sophomore year they threw the ball a lot as they had receivers. His last year as a Poke they lost almost all of his receivers and running backs. So they used Allen almost exactly like Daboll is using him now.
Try doing your homework. When your supporting cast is lame, you don't highlight them. So Allen was the leading rusher and they rode him to 8 wins even though they knew he was probably going to be a top 10 pick. As a coach you do what you have to do to win. Josh could throw 50 times a game, but with this crew it would probably be a loss. I hated and still hate Wyoming's OC, but he did what it took to win. Daboll is doing the same thing. It isn't that Josh can't pass, as he can. But Josh knows how to grind out these games and win ugly. Daboll did his homework. But wait until Josh gets his supporting cast, it will be fun times. As it was in 2016, even though Josh didn’t have a defense to keep up with his scoring. Games turned into a shootout because Wyoming couldn't contain other teams.
In 2017 Wyoming defense led the nation in turnover margin. They made it so Josh didn’t have to score much. So they played conservative and controlled the clock to shorten the games. The same thing Daboll is doing with Allen. You have to understand that this type of game is in Allens wheelhouse. So it is not all on Allen. I am pretty sure that is the gameplan.
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Allen is a rookie and will make mistakes. But he is getting better each week. He just needs to take care of the ball.