The Red King
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36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Uh oh someone made the haterz list!
Well, dayum. Check and mate, if this is legit.
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...yeah, yeah, slow news day around here, but after seeing the Pats logo I got to recalling how they pretty much stole the Bills uniform. I mean, prior to the SB years, the Pats were in these...
Then came their current unis, which were a completely blatant rip-off of the then-dominant Bills unis...
Alright, the new ones have a patriot head...that's about all that's still in common. Blue jerseys like the Bills...check. White pants like the Bills...check. Logo with a streak...check. Hell...a blue logo with a red streak...just like the Bills...check. Why is the disembodied Patriot head even streaking? That's a buffalo charge thing...are people frequently drawn streaking? I mean I suppose to their credit they at least didn't go with a red helmet, but damn that is some pretty blatant copying. I'm surprised they got away with it, especially since the Bills were in their division. It's not like they ripped off a NFC team or such. They changed unis, copied the unis of a winning team in an effort to reverse their fortunes...and ironically succeeded.
Now this isn't a big deal, I'm not mad about it, raging, losing sleep or anything over it. It just...mildly irritates me now and then and wondered if any of you felt the same.
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Isn't it refreshing to have a GM and coach that will actually speak their minds and call people out if need be? I mean...I still get shivers when I think back on Jauron's lifeless/emotionless press conferences! ?
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1 hour ago, eball said:
The tape on the Bills from the past three years debunks this commonly repeated opinion. Receivers were open. I don't hate Tyrod as a starting QB but there's no denying my frustration at (a) his unwillingness to make a throw with any risk attached to it, and (b) his consistent failure to put the ball in a position for his receivers to make YAC.
I expect the Browns to win 6-8 games this season, and Tyrod's ability to take care of the ball will be a big part of that. I'm not disappointed the Bills moved on, regardless of what sort of QB play we get this year.
When you highlighted my sentence, you forgot the first three words, "justified or not". In my opinion Tyrod's lack of faith in our receivers was unjustified. They weren't the best, but they were not bad enough to warrant his level of ultra-conservatism.
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3 minutes ago, Lfod said:
I have questions about Tyrod that I don't feel are answered completely. I have a good idea but I still have some doubts about my feelings on him. This season should secure everything and put it to rest for me personally.
I am rooting against Tyrod. I hope he struggles to score points in Cleveland. I hope he is benched before the end of the season. I don't want to regret my team letting him go. I don't want him to out perform what my team has for QB and make me feel like letting him go was the wrong choice. I don't want to miss him as my QB.
I don't want to sit through the endless debate because I won't be able to not participate. It is addictive. At least he was traded to the Browns so I think I'll get my way. I think it will take a miracle for that nightmare to happen.
Justified or not, TT had zero faith in our receivers to make a play, and as a result never took a chance. As a result, the Tyrod you see in Cleveland is not the Tyrod you'd get if he stayed in Buffalo. Even if TT outperforms the Buffalo QBs this year I won't regret trading him because TT on the 2018 Bills would have resembled the 2017 outing.
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Not surprising. Tyrod was brought in to provide consistency and stability to a train-wreck of a team. TT doesn't lose games by making mistakes, and doesn't win them with big plays. He may be mediocre, baseline, but right now that stability is more important to Cleveland. By the time the Browns outgrow Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready. This is why they traded for TT in the first place.
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I think we have a shot at the division this season...more of one then we've had in many, many seasons. That being said, I still have to say the Pats are the favorite. I think they are vulnerable, but someone has to actually show they can do it. I mean c'mon, most every year there is a story about how the Pats are finally collapsing, and every year they...well...don't.
I think the end is soon for them, might be this year...but too early to bet against them.
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He's getting old, and wanted to milk it as long as he could. At the same time, he can see the days of the AFCE being a cakewalk are almost at an end. It's easy to want to play forever when your division is your b**** and you're all but guarunteed a playoff birth each season. It's a lot different when you're caught in a legitimate dogfight. Am I saying the Bills/AFCE are there yet? Maybe...maybe not...but they are not far off and Brady's seen that.
That being said, I sure as hell am not writing him and the Pats off this season...
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Definately. And he taught me what it was like to be a faithful fan even during tough times. When I was two years old, my dad was transfered from Buffalo to Omaha, NE. I grew up there, where the popular team was "whoever was good that year". Caught a lot of hell for being a Bills fan, especially with Super Bowls XXV and XXVI. In '92 we moved back to Buffalo and got season tickets. He taught me everything about the game, answered every question. And now, I'm doing the same for my daughter.
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59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
If he knocks us out of the playoffs two years in a row that would be impressive. Of course the chances of the Bills and Browns playing each other in the playoffs are about the same as Bill Cosby getting another sitcom.
I heard he's getting a new one with Rosanne and O.J... XD
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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:
It goes both ways man. I’m perfectly okay with the move from the old qb but the minute I call somebody on their BS when they start spouting off about how absolutely awful he was they start throwing around the douchey “COT” acronym.
Ive literally prefaced posts by saying I’m ready to move on from him but I don’t agree with some over the top posters claiming he was a RB in a qb’s clothing and have gotten labeled as a lover or COT or whatever else. It’s absolutley absurd.
It does go both ways. If you saw my prior posts I called out both TT supporters and detractors.
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3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Where does he live?
Lets drag some of his furniture out of his house, light it on fire and jump on it.
That'll teach em.
Yeah, but then he'll complain his furnature wasn't even burned by fans of a playoff team... ?
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4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
I think because there is no acknowledgement of his strengths when bashing the guy. The intangibles. Of course people saw his faults. What do you want? Brady. The guy was good enough until someone better came along. Let’s see if that’s the case. What’s weird is you are still whining about him and he is gone!!
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"If ya ain't for us, yer 'gainst us!"
You obviously haven't paid attention to my prior replies in the thread, and just lump me in with Tyrod detractors. I've said plenty in support of the guy and have repeatedly mentioned he is a middle-ground QB. In fact, from just a few pages back...
Quotell take this one step further. With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do. I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose. He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down. In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him.
But yes, by all means, since I'm not a full-blown TT supporter, I must be a detractor that hates him. The irony is...you just perfectly validated the claim I made.
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7 minutes ago, grb said:
I was responding to this : "certainly hope his new start/new venue moves him closer to (his) NFL dream of being a starting NFL QB" To be fair, maybe OldTimeAFLGuy just got a little clunky in his phrasing - something I'm guilty of often. Otherwise it's a kinda strange statement.
And yes, the trade was good for both parties, though please excuse me if I find your reasoning ludicrous. (One of the best deep-ball passers in the NFL lost the ability to throw deep because he .... (dramatic pause) .... "lost faith"...... give. me. a. break..... Bottom line? The Bills were always going to see Taylor as a year-by-year expedient, they were always going to treat him poorly, and they were happy letting offensive talent drain from the team with Taylor as an excuse. None of which was good for either side.
No one knows what Allen will become, but lets assume the worse and say his first two years are :
- 83 of 218, 38.1%, 1410 yds, 6.5 ypa, 6 tds, 24 ints
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203 of 373, 54.4%, 2259 yds, 6.1 ypa, 13 tds, 21 ints
Then maybe he becomes the four-time Super Bowl champion, one year MVP and twice season TD-throwing leader Terry Bradshaw. The Steelers committed to him, they built a team around him, and championships resulted. Or look at the current Pittsburgh quarterback: Roethlisberger whined about "wasting" a pick on Rudolph because he (BR) is a jerk, but the Steelers also spent a 2nd & 3rd round pick on receiver and o-linesman. Neither position was close to a need, but Pittsburgh has continually re-stocked and re-loaded to give their guy everything he needs to succeed. It helps to have someone who is "your guy" so you start taking responsibility for supporting & building around him. Otherwise you're just sitting around with your thumb (in an awkward place) - perhaps inventing lame-o theories (faith ?!?!).
I was living in the Washington area when RGIII and Cousins were drafted. After Griffin's injury the Redskins played Cousins and weren't entirely satisfied. Later they tried Cousins two or three more times, at one point benching him for Colt McCoy. Sometime during all that, the idea he wasn't "their guy" burrowed into their brains, and no matter how much Kirk lit it up afterwards, that idea could never be dislodged. That's how Washington bungled thru multiple franchise tags before paying out the same money for Smith and, to my eye, getting the worse of the deal. You don't wanna make it too complicated. Taylor is gone. Allen is the guy. Look to the future and work to make it happen.
(also: don't waste time worrying if Allen has "faith" in his receivers. please)
...and this is why talking to Tyrod supporters vexes me. What I said cast TT in the best light possible. Game film showed that he had receivers open deep a nunber of plays and he never pulled the trigger. That's not speculation, watch The 22, or hell, even just the game broadcasts. So, the question is...why didn't he throw? I chalk it up to lack of confidence in the receiver corp. I even made it clear that lack of confidence might be justified, even if in my opinion it wasn't.
So, you tell me...game film showed TT had receivers open deep that he just didn't throw to. Now, let's go with your claim that it wasn't lack of confidence in the receivers. Now, that means there was a number of plays TT has receivers that he trusted open deep...and didn't throw. Why? Now...the remaining answers look less charitable for Tyrod...as they are all indicitive of flaws in him...not seeing the open receiver, not being decisive enough to be able to commit to the pass...not trusting himself to throw accurately (remember, you said he trusted his receivers). So...if he trusted his receivers, as you claim...why did he still refuse to throw to them when they got open?
I swear, some Tyrod supporters really don't think things through, content to lash out at any anti-TT sentiment without actually considering what was said...
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3 minutes ago, billspro said:
We beat the Falcons and Chiefs.
We went 3-1 against the AFC West which was considered the best division going into the season and 2-2 against the NFC South which was the best division in the league last year.
Typical uneducated reporting.
They were talking about the Chargers, not the Bills. The hub-bub comes in them saying the Chargers didn't beat any playoff teams, even listing the Bills as a win, suggesting they forgot the Bills were actually a Wild Card team.
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The epitome of the phrase "Consider the source.", I suppose.
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1 hour ago, grb said:
There's something so very Billsy about saying Cleveland gives Taylor the chance to start for an honest-to-god real NFL team.......
So...a team that went 0-16 is an honest-to-god real NFL team, while a team that went 9-7 with a playoff birth isn't? Am I misreading something here?
The trade is good for both teams and TT. Tyrod had no faith in Buffalo's receivers, refusing to throw deep even when his receivers did get open, and refusing to throw into anything resembling cover. That confidence wasn't going to magically reappear this offseason. Had Tyrod stayed, we'd see the exact same frustrating ultra-conservative play this season. Going to Cleveland gives Tyrod a new group of receivers. Hopefully ones he can have faith in, which will allow him to loosen up and throw deep again. Note, I'm saying different receivers, not better ones. I think our receivers are better then Tyrod gave them credit for. But warranted or not...TT had no faith in them, he wasn't going to do any better if we kept him.
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2 hours ago, eball said:
And really, there's the rub. I chalk it up to an all-too-common phenomenon on these message boards that we actually see in play on the US political stage as well. Nobody is willing to compromise any more. It's either black or white. Us or them. No middle ground. I don't understand it, I don't like it, and I don't know where it came from. You can actually like some things about a player and not like others. You can be optimistic without being blind to legitimate concerns. You can have concerns without blindly trashing everything.
Sad, really. I'm glad I don't think that way.
I'll take this one step further. With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do. I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose. He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down. In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him.
I have said that, and been attacked from it on both sides. TT supporters blast me for having the audacity to see him as middle-ground and not an amazing QB saddled with the Bills coaching and players...and TT detractors blast me for suggesting he's anything more then useless. It's that absolute factor I think that annoys a lot of people. People aren't flexible. And it's that attitude that makes things worse. Fanatical TT supporters and detractors frustrate the rest of us who just want the season to start so at least one of the two groups might shut up based on TT's play.
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17 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Yup, points matter way more than yards. But to repeat yet again the obvious, points given up matter a lot but they refer back to the whole team. Not just the defense. The whole team. Whereas yards given up do a great job of isolating the defense as the responsible party. How many points are charged against the defense if Tyrod throws an INT and it's run back for a TD? Or if Tyrod ... um ... does his Tyrod thing and throws INTs at a much lower rate than other QBs, who gets the credit for that if you only look at points given up? Yup, great job, Tyrod ... uh, I mean great job defense.
So call it wonderful all you want, but you're calling the whole team wonderful, not just the defense. The offense and STs share a lot of the credit if they consistently put the other team in bad field position by not turning the ball over, etc.
The stat that isolates the defense tells the real story. Yards given up. Which again is that looking at those 13 games alone the defense gave up yards at a rate that would have put them at 20th in the league. That of course meant that the offense was given relatively poor field position and started drives at a disadvantage.
We're not gonna see eye to eye here. We have drastically different views on bend-but-don't-break defenses. The real story is, the defense played well enough most games to give the offense a chance to win. They went into Jacksonville and told the offense, "You put 10 points up, all game, and we're going to OT. Put up 11...we'll win." I'd take that in a heartbeat. Yards per game is not a statistic in a bubble as you claim. How often was the Buffalo D out there? How many three and outs by the Buffalo O? Buffalo's poor offensive play contributed to defensive fatigue, and as such directly impacted yards surrendered. Sorry, there is no one statistic that tells the whole story, isolated from any other factor. The Bills' defense regularly kept the team in the game far later then it had any right to. I see that as having played wonderfully, given how woeful the offense was. You obviously disagree, but there is no isolated statistic that will prove either of us right, so we'll each have to hold to our opinion on the matter.
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7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
No, they did not play wonderfully.
And when a guy trying to pump up the achievements of the defense has to resort to talking about how well they played in the first half of two games, you can hear the sound of spin, spin at hypersonic speed. I don't care what the scores are at halftime. I care what they are at the end of the game. Whether the other team scores more in the first half or the second doesn't make the defense worse or better.
And yeah, though you made a mistake and we scored a bit more than 16.7 points, actually, our points allowed statistic was pretty good in those thirteen games. But scoring is a better measure of the whole team than it is of the defense. Which is why when they say some team is the #1 defense they aren't talking about scoring. They're talking about yards. Scoring is maybe 70% defense. It's also about field position, number of drives faced, and a bunch of other things which offense and STs weigh heavily into. Not to mention that some scores don't come against the defense.
You want to measure the defense you look at yards they gave up. Outside of those three games, the Bills defense gave up 341.5 yards per game. Would've been 20th in the league. Decent. Very very far from great or wonderful.
And that came in 13 games against offenses that averaged 19.07th ranked in the league, a ranking significantly below average.
...you know another signifigantly below average offense? Buffalo's.
You're right, yards given up is a far more meaningful stat then points. When time runs out, points are just a guideline. Buffalo did not lose the playoff game because the Jags scored seven more points then the Bills, the Bills lost because they only gained 263 yards, when the Jags gained...230. Wait, this can't be right. We got more yards then the Jags...but somehow lost? Yet you insist yards gained/surrendered is a far more important stat then points. What a strange paradox. We got robbed! Buffalo won that playoff game! The NFL screwed up and looked at points, not yards!
...oh...no...wait...I suppose points actually do matter a lot more then yards. ?
Buffalo held the Jags to 10 points in their own stadium...the same Jags that put up 45 on Pitt and 20 on NE on the road the following two weeks. I'd call that wonderful.
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Just now, Doc said:
Because no one holds them accountable.
It's not about accuracy, it's about clicks/views. Best example is the ESPN Power Rankings. Every week there are one or two WTF positionings, not because they believe the teams should be there. Rather so that people will be outraged and load up that 'Comments' section.
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I think Benjamin, really. He's had a chance to heal, and there was zero chemistry with Tyrod. I was at the Saints game, and it was like night and day when Peterman was throwing to him. Regardless of our starting QB, I just have a hunch Benjamin's going to surprise people...including the OP, since he wasn't even on the list. ?
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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
"The other thirteen they did wonderfully"?
That's a real overstatement, "wonderfully."
Yeah, except for those three games they were pretty decent, better than most people have given them credit for. "Great"? Nah.
Is it? Points surrendered...the three terrible games bolded. Keep in mind the defense did this even given the number of 3-and-outs we had. That was one tired D that could have thrown the towel in, but didn't.
vs. Jets: 12, Panthers: 9, Broncos: 16, Falcons: 17, Bengals: 20, Bucs: 27, Raiders: 14, Jets: 34, Saints: 47, Chargers: 54, Chiefs: 10, Pats: 23, Colts: 7, Dolphins: 16, Pats: 37, Dolphins: 16, Jags: 10
Aside from that three game collapse, the D gave up an average of 16.7 points a game, despite being stranded out on the field by our ineffective offense. First Pats game was 9-3 at halftime, second was 13-13. Those three games aside, you don't think that defense played wonderfully?
Report: Baker Mayfield not ready to compete with Tyrod Taylor
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You deal too much in absolutes. Where did I say Buffalo had a good receiver corp? Where did I say they were open every play...or most plays...or half the plays? But the fact is, there were still a number of plays he had open receivers and never pulled the trigger. With this corp of receivers I could wholley understand being cautious...but Tyrod took that too far. Your reply makes it clear though, that you really didn't read what I typed. Rather, you skimmed it, decided I was a Tyrod detractor, and reacted accordingly. What you claimed I said/believed was utterly and completely false. Please read my replies fully going forward. Thank you.