Ol Dirty B
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6 minutes ago, fridge said:
This is my favorite take on the last week of Bills football.
We're getting killed out there and the coach tried to shake it up rather than take his team to the slaughterhouse.
He was making a scape goat, not shaking things up.
What did this defensive coach do to change his defense that has been torched for three weeks straight? Cut a meaningless DT?
He's totally abandoned taking responsibility for 3 weeks now.
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On 11/17/2017 at 4:57 PM, BobChalmers said:
FALSE. He was playing against the same guys as TT against the Ravens and again Sunday and in both cases outperformed him.
You have anything to say today buddy? I bet you dont...Lol
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8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
I hope so. The AFC is so bad that the Bills still could make it. They need to turn their crap around and the defense needs to step up though.
I don't know if you read my post wrong or I am reading yours wrong... but I said he had a worse game than EJ.
I probably took yours wrong. We agree
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Uh... the reaction isn't odd, and like it or not, the media... especially the national media that you guys hate, were right. Everyone who called this a dumb move was right.
It's not an odd crucifixion, the decision was odd. And shown to be. McDermott may have made one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen, and we've all seen a lot as Bills fans. The difference is this isn't a heat of the moment decision, he said he thought about it and slept on it.
I'm all for being aggressive and going on it on 4th down but this wasn't that, this was just stupid.
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3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
He is better than Peterman that's all that matters. Can we not try to dog Taylor after Peterman had a worse showing than EJ in London.
Jesus, I know you guys hate EJ but if Peterman had the game EJ had in London people would say he should start next week.
It'd be all about how he made a couple of costly mistakes but had the mental toughness to come back and give his team a chance to win.
I don't even know what to think of Peterman other than cut. He's awful. He was supposed to anticipate and be pro ready, read the game, but have a weak arm. The game was way too fast for him. I've seen all I need to.
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38 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:
STFU Dick Sherman. No one cares what you think.
He knows more than you do about football.
14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:It is a fantasy to think this team was in the playoff hunt, despite their 5-4 record going into today.
the defense is awful - can anyone really suggest that the Bills offense could have put up the 40 points necessary to beat the Chargers with Taylor at the helm and no turnovers?
That doesn't make it the right decision. Nor does it reflect any better on a HC who worked up through the defensive ranks.
It actually makes it look like a worse decision.
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11 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:
MCDermott determined this kid was ready. He should be fired on the spot for being such an incompetent head coach.
Fans are allowed to be idiots. Head coached aren’t.
I agree completely
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So yea... This was a good decision.
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21 hours ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:
Which another poster astutely pointed out was recognized by Todd Mcshay and two other guys whose names escape me. Im paraphrasing but they basically said nothing pisses off a coordinator more than drawing up a play, watching it work exactly the way you drew it up, and seeing your qb fail to pull the trigger and miss the opportunity.
As intrigued as I am by the switch and hopeful that the coaching staff knows something the rest of the planet hasnt discovered yet this is exactly right. The Saints looked about as disintested when Peterman came in as a sleeping does when you roll a tennis ball by his nose for the hundredth time trying to get him to wake up and fetch. It will take a season or more before anyone is sure about Peterman. Preseason games and games where you come in down four tds or more arent an accurate barometer. I stuck with Tyrod till it finally sunk in ten minutes into the Saints game we are mostly screwed if we fall behind by two tds at any point in the game if hes the qb. Rooting hard for Nate. Pray to god hes the chosen one. But even a stellar performance Sunday wont be a predictor that hes gonna be the starter two years down the road.
I'm against the switch but I agree, I get it. Anytime we go down by 4 I think game over and people look at me like I'm crazy, but facts are facts and his record is what it is. It has been earned.
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7 hours ago, stuvian said:
If TT got us to the playoffs his market value would go to a 3rd or 2nd round pick versus nothing by starting The Urban Sombrero. Vic's logic is counter intuitive. A playoff appearance would be great box office and elevate TTs market value immensely even if we didn't want him long term.
I agree with this but I think the league and everyone knows the Bills have not been that committed to Taylor. Factor in that they haven't been afraid to make controversial moves with the Watkins and Dareus trade leaving the benching completely out of it.
It's such a conservative league, I think the league would just wait until the Bills have to make a decision on the 3rd league day of the year on whether to pick up the option. The contract status, lack of organizational commitment before the benching really kill any potential trade value for Tyrod imo. If it was the NBA or NHL I'd completely agree with your view.
17 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:My take on the Tyrod benching is this. It is a good time to pull him and start Peterman after two bad starts but for this reason.
A running QB style won't win the Superbowl. Look at CK, Vick, Cam Newton, that Washington QB that could run but got hurt, etc. you have to have a QB that is effective passing from the pocket. Pure and simple.
Cam Newton made it to the Superbowl and lost to a team that a lot of people thought Carolina was better than.
Cam Newton didn't win a Superbowl, but he was certainly capable that year.
Colin Kaepernick lost at the very end and just didn't finish that year. Do I think he could do it now or has been the same since? Absolutely not, but the defense essentially retired after that year. Harbaugh got ran off and they just finally hired a legit coach. Colin Kaepernick did not prevent that team from winning the superbowl regardless of what you think of him off the field. He destroyed Green Bay in Green Bay vs Aaron Rodgers with his style and they had no answer and he didnt get hurt.
I also noticed you conveniently left Russel Wilson out too.
These guys were all better than Tyrod at their peak so it's moot. But the general point you are trying to make I think is just wrong. And the OC agrees with you, so that's why we are at benching Tyrod and playing a 1980s style offense.
It's also funny how we say hey so and so never won a Superbowl. So him and his style can't do it. There has been less then 50 super bowl winning QBs. You pointed out guys that are a coin flip away essentially from being Superbowl winning QBs and said that style cant work. It doesn't count, but heads or tails for a SB, I'll take.
We never go hey Jake Plummer, Gus Ferrotte, Marc Bulger, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, and really Drew Bledsoe counts... Those guys couldn't win a Superbowl, that style of play never works.
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On 11/17/2017 at 5:05 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:
People call each other names no big deal. I don't have the patience to beat around the Bush for people I dislike so it's just easier to refer to them as something when I know they will never change and aren't worth wasting my time on.
Got it, you're admitting you're a waste of time. I'll just ignore you from now on.
You've also failed to refute any points I've made relevant to football.
But seriously, in the grand scheme of things... You should consider this, why do you just immediately throw a person away and their opinions because they may be liberal? You should really rethink things. Why should they be the one to change? And maybe not 25% of you and 75% of them, and that's giving yourself the benefit of the doubt. So much of what you say really just reflects why this country is in such disarray. The funny part is, you're too much like those "libtards" you hate to ever be able to have an intelligent conversation with each other.
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9 hours ago, PABillsfan23 said:
Have a sense of humor. Certainty beats reading the Taylor is elite threads
Where did you see one of those?
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16 hours ago, dubs said:
ummmm....ok....let me try and make the point more obvious.
This thread has been debating the importance of arm strength in the NFL and if Peterman's arm strength is adequate.
The original post brought some interesting data to the discussion, showing the measurement of velocity of throws of all QBs in recent drafts.
Mitch Trubisky was the second overall pick in the draft this past year, Nathan Peterman was drafted in the 5th round, yet they had virtually the same measurements.
So, either the Trubisky had a bad day at the combine, that measurement doesn't measure arm strength well, arm strength isn't as important as some seem to suggest, or there is some minimal benchmark a QB needs to surpass to have the necessary arm strength in the NFL. Got it?
No I don't because while Mitch was the #2 pick the guy has looked like ass so far.
So using that metric or anything else that compares him to Trubisky and hold that up as a positive for Peterman is actually just irrelevant and uninteresting to me.
The combine is largely boring and irrelevant.
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18 hours ago, cd1 said:
OMG - REALLY?
Now I am going to lose sleep while feeling bad for the poor man.
I guess we could look at Tyrods benching as a GOOD thing for Tyrod. NOW he can go find a team that will appreciate him by paying him
Leave it to a Bills fan to get jealous over a guy making good money, but still being paid under market value. It's a fact I'm not going to hold against him.
I'm starting to become convinced those campers and trailers in the camper lot are actually Bills fans full time residences.
8 hours ago, BobChalmers said:FALSE. He was playing against the same guys as TT against the Ravens and again Sunday and in both cases outperformed him.
No actually it's simply not false. Thanks for the obnoxious all caps though. Everyone loves that guy. If you really want to make judgments off of preseason games (which I'm not even sure you are correct on that but don't care) and a game they were down by 30 (again, not sure the Saints had the same personnel in, I'd venture you could be wrong on that to), I don't really care what you think. Those are two awful instances to make any judgments. I'll wait until Sunday like a rational person would.
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Because McDermott is using the culture he learned from Philly and Carolina and and Andy Reid who is in KC, and they are winning what's not to understand?
And how did I call you a libtards? That comment was clearly directed at Mike schopp, don't see how you can miss that. Obviously if you're conservative your not mentally challenged liberal.
I'm saying resorting to calling people libtards, I even as a conservative find to be a trademark of a stupid person I wouldn't want to be ideologically associated with. It's unnecessary and you come across as childish and uneducated, I'm saying you should probably grow up and pick up a book too. People have different opinions on things. I really hope you are a kid and not really this immature where you couldn't handle someone being liberal. It gets old, you come across as clueless and uneducated when you just toss out libtard. People who get chastised for such language usually react to calling that person a libtard.
Summary, I'm not liberal, I'm a conservative, but I think you sound like a moron when you say things like that.
What did he learn from Philadelphia's winning culture in 2017, with their 2nd year first round QB? He was fired in 2011 their fall man for the bad defense. Carolina? Winning culture? How was that D last year? How was their record last year? Ron Rivera was on the hot seat the year before Cam had his MVP year. Not to mention them and KC are so up and down this year, I wouldn't heap praise on a winning culture for either of those teams. What a reach this is... It made just about as much sense as I expected it to.
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43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Dopp doesn't believe in culture either even though it's working in Philly, Carolina and KC.
The best part of the election was watching libtards cry in agony
I'm a conservative but wow... You must be really intelligent.
You changed Schopp, to Dopp? Clever, too me a minute to get that won. And what is your point about Culture? How's it working in Philadelphia or Carolina? Even KC that doesn't really apply, but I'd love to hear. Please explain to this conservative that you'd call a libtard, which is really, again, pathetic. People believe other things than you, get over it.
You seem like a arrogant child, but it's more likely just an uneducated adult.
11 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:He has never played sports (Mayne some little league stuff) an is why he so annoying, because he rips on things like momentum, culture, and fundamentals. To which we who played know these things are important and there is more to the game than anal-lytics.
He's never ripped on fundamentals. Momentum and culture are for the most part facades. You never played sports either. I mean maybe you did at some High School. But that doesn't count. You don't know what you're talking about. Fundamentals are a completely different aspect of the game versus momentum and culture nonsense. I don't buy into that **** either, it's for the mentally weak.
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14 hours ago, dubs said:
Interesting that Mitch Trubisky was a 51mph (Left) and 50mph (right) while Peterman was 49/49.
Care to elaborate? I don't find that interesting at all. What does that mean to any of us?
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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:
This isn't a tank, disguised or not. There's no such thing in football.
And the one thing you can say about this administration is that they don't disguise things. They're open.
They've openly said is that their main goal is building a team that can consistently compete for a title but at the same time they're trying to win this year. Their actions back this up exactly. It's also quite clear that if there is a conflict and they must choose either long-term or short-term, they choose long-term. Which is a very very good thing.
Again, the Bills could go to the playoffs with eight wins this year in this poor playoff field. They could still easily pull that off. Throw out the four division leaders and the next two best teams are the Titans with six wins, the Bills with five, and then everybody else has four wins or less. They could still easily be a playoff team this year. I'm sure we're in agreement that even if they make the playoffs they won't go anywhere, but you can bet McDermott would work his ass off to try to put them in position to win. But they don't have the personnel.
He has certainly NOT been underpaid here. His contract makes him the 20th highest paid QB in the league in terms of average money and he was higher last year. And he's generally considered between maybe 20th and 22nd best in the league.
And they didn't force him to do squat. He could've left if he'd wanted.
Agreed that we don't know yet how this move will turn out, but IMHO it had to be done for a team whose priority is building to be a consistent winner.
He made 1.1 mil his first year as a starter, and 9.5 last year.... He's been underpaid as a starter.
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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
sorry I got carried away
Respectfully disagree
The FO was never sold on TT.
They offered him good money for a season one in which he underperformed.
He he did not fit the system
Performance not met.
the NFL is a business
I hope I don’t need to explain more
So much wrong with this. He was not offered good money, he's always been underpaid as a starter here.
They stripped him of all his weapons and forced him to play in a system that it was obvious he would not fit in. The offense has been horribly managed by the coaching staff and the FO. It's the same thing rex did with the defense.
So many of you are spinning this as a win-win when it's not. This decision could be what exactly springs the drought from 17 to 20.
2 hours ago, BobChalmers said:They are a better team with Peterman in there - period, and doubly so in a WCO that demands even more than average NFL quick decisions and throws.
And this is based off? Him playing 2s and 3s? They could be better but saying it as though it's a certainty is teetering on stupidity.
It certainly can be debated at this point. No one has seen the guy play a meaningful snap.
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3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:
If the national media doesn't like the move, I love it even more than I already did.
The national football media is almost always wrong about Buffalo, I think mostly b/c they just don't pay attention.
Are they? Because whenever we have a start like this they call us pretenders instead of contenders, never pick us for a play off spot and are just generally skeptical. They've been right for awhile now. People like you are the ones that have been wrong more often than not.
2 hours ago, KingRex said:The move strikes me as pretty desperate. Was this a planned part of "the process"?
It may work.
I hope it does.
I just doubt it.
This process thing is a joke.
Trade down/let starters walk/ trade away talent for future's.... start 5-2 make a trade for a wr to win now. Lose 2 games bench the starter for a 5th round pick.
People acted like these guys had a plan and a direction. McDermott even had the nerve to say vision today. They have none of that. This team has no identity or plan.
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15 minutes ago, benderbender said:
That’s like saying you can’t blame your terrible old mattress for your poor night’s sleep. If the offense could sustain a drive long enough to allow the defense to at least sit down, you’d be absolutely correct in blaming the defense only.
I never blamed the defense, only.
How about they played like ****, and looked like a team with a ****ty coach. They all looked bad.
I never said that Tyrod played awful because the defense couldn't get off the field. I don't think they forced a punt the whole game. You do see the false comparison you are making right?
The guy said they were gassed because Tyrod kept going 3 and out. That would be a fair point if the defense played good and then just got torched in the 2nd half but they got torched the whole damn game besides the one turnover.
Tyrod is not an excuse for the defense in this game. I can't take you serious if you won't admit that.
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9 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
I'd be fine with releasing shady. it's not like he's irreplaceable. in fact, I can see them letting him go.
And starting who? Mike Tolbert? Do you people even think about just cutting guys for the sake of cutting guys?
8 hours ago, estro613 said:I live in southern NJ. After the Broncos game I flew back to Philadelphia on Monday afternoon, to my surprise McCoy was siting across the aisle from me. After we got deplaned, I caught up with McCoy and we talked Bills on the walk to baggage claim. I was surprised with how honest and candid he was. He was pretty frustrated with the inability to get the run game going. I mentioned it's tough to run when the D is stacking the box and not respecting the QB's passing skills. He didn't throw Taylor under the bus in anyway, but he also didn't disagree with the sentiment. I went on to talk about the fact that the Bills will be spinning their tires until they find a true signal caller that defenses fear when throwing the ball. I got the impression I wasn't the only person in that conversation that agreed.
I don't think Shady is or should be too upset. I expect his success to open up as a result of the offense being in the proper rythym under Peterman.
Wait.... Are you the same guy who claims Donald Jones kid plays on your kids football team?
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Just now, Air it out Fitzy said:
He couldn't pass and he got benched. The laundry lists of excuses will go on forever though.
Tyrod lovers go hard.
I actually want them to draft a Qb this year. Never said he was the answer and it wasn't a laundry list it was actually legitimate reasoning something you might not be capable of. If you can refute any of it I respect it, but just calling me a Tyrod lover going hard because I'm making a pretty easy argument against what you said is lazy
And if that's all you can do then you deserve 17 years and another 17 after that.
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2 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:
The fans were screwed by the 69 yard passer
How anyone can think the qb got screwed is pretty strange.
I don't know. Your 2nd and 3rd receiver not being resigned over the past two years and then trading the number 1 a couple weeks before the season.
Leaving him with no back up rbs, an aging line, and throwing him into a scheme that doesn't suit him because McDermott has been Rex 2.0 so far in forcing the scheme in players instead of vice-verse. But no that's just a bunch of non sense to you in sure.
This team probably did everything they could for him to succeed in your eyes.
The trade for Benjamin even makes no sense when you look at Tyrods skill set. He throws to guys who get separation , Benjamin is among the worst at that.
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The overreaction toward McDermott from the media is why football coaches are so conservative
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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So he looked good on one attempt? I agree that was a nice throw to Benjamin. That was like the only nice thing he did all day. You can't be serious with this. The guy was throwing punts up when he should have taken sacks. And Tyrod dealt with the same terrible line and hasn't thrown as many interceptions all year
Have you listened to his pressers?
And I feel like you keep confusing bold and aggressive as being synonymous with wrong. 4th and 2 from your own 30 or whatever is bold, letting the team score because you need the ball back is bold and aggressive.
Throwing Peterman out there behind a crappy line against a good pass rushing defense at this point is just dumb.
I never said he didn't have the right to make that decision, you appear to be the one who wants to reject rights because you want to reject criticism. I don't recall anyone ever saying that he can't do it, just that it was odd or wrong. And those people have been shown to be right. I'm not sure you have a point at all here.