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8 hours ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:
Weird aside… CL claimed to know / live next to the creator of Catan. Seems like he’s absolutely full it. Am I missing something?
Klaus Teuber was the inventor of
the game, a German guy who passed away last year.
Very cringe… bizarre lie… what else is CL fronting about…
Not the inventor...Catan Studio is in Charlotteville (where Chris grew up). They were previously Mayfair games and have been making the english language ones for like 30 years. Was not a lie. Was probably talking about this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Fenlon
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12 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
I have a feeling that someone is going to be a jerk and take this out of context but I do think this is where the league is going. Outside of QB, how many elite offensive players are just the most prototypical versions of their positions? How many Justin Jeffersons and CeeDee Lambs are there?
Think about who have been the breakout stars in recent years? Cooper Kupp and Puka Nacua were what happens when you take possession receivers and make them your offense's focal point. CMC and Deebo Samuel blur the line between a RB and WR. Travis Kelce is a WR in a TE's body.
Honestly? I think it is already there on both sides of the football. It started happening when passing rules were changed to heavily favor the offense. All of a sudden, every offense has some kind of spread concept and all kinds of guys are lining up everywhere. Defense, in turn, got got lighter and more rangey (just look at MLB now), allowing them to switch and disguise more. Now offenses are countering back with 2 TE looks (ultimate flex guys) and Big slots to run more effectively and dominate the middle that isn't as scary anymore.
Before you know it, there will be no rules. Punch and counterpunch. Hence why having a deep team vs a top heavy one at the skill positions is attractive...deep teams are inherently more flexible.
Basketball pretty much has the same thing going on...Centers that shoot and guards that attack the rim and defend, and that was pretty much because of rule changes, too.
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20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Thanks. Interesting stuff.
I agree about Coleman's skill set. Having him roaming all over the field from the slot could make him a nightmare for defenses to deal with.
Frankly, last season I had hoped we'd see more of that from Kincaid, but his role seemed more limited. If the Bills can get more from him this season, then I like your vision of those two guys running out of the slot. Fact is, those two lined up together almost anywhere along the line is a problem for defenses.
I don't think it matters much where they line up for the passing game. Payton had big guys inside less for passing and more for running...they liked to run power out of spread and WR blocked, so big guys near the ball and 12 personnel helped that.
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48 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
You're technical expertise is way beyond me, but I think you're assuming that Brady has a style, and that style is what he learned in NO. My understanding is that at LSU, with those receivers, the style was different.
I'd bet if you asked him, he'd say what McDermott has told him: Play EVERY style. Run, pass, balanced, inside, outside, explosive, west coast, everything.
It's true that most people revert to things they're comfortable with, and that may be what Brady will do, but I don't think that's what McDermott wants.
Interesting. And as you think about, Allen's maturation and the fact that the QB has to be the leader also meant that Diggs had to reduce his leadership role. I doubt he liked doing that, and that may be why saw him increasingly unhappy.
I think there is a difference between being a balanced/complimentary offense and a coaches philosophy on how you do that.
Using NO as an example (that's where he worked with Payton...it was his first job and not that long ago), it was this combination of spread pass with power run. Lots of bunch/condensed sets, motion, two TE, empty backfield. They used things like personnel groups, formation, motion and play sequence to attack defenses.
In a nutshell, you can either change the route and keep the target to exploit a coverage, or you can keep the route and change the target. One requires a strong QB/WR connection, but spreads out the responsibility. The other places a lot more on the QBs plate, but spreads out the touches.
I think Daboll installed the former to help develop Josh, KD kept it...Brady is a bigger believer in the 2nd one (which was also the NO philosophy). Part of the reason our offense felt better with Brady even if it didn't actually do better is because it was more decisive. However, we had really only installed basic formations and packages, so his menu was pretty limited. If you're attacking with formation and sequence, you needs lots of formation and plays.
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2 minutes ago, Process said:
Great to see her up and moving, but this is also very sad at the same time
Yeah, Im not sure I have seen something be so inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time...
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
He did. And that Sean Payton version of the E-P was more of a spread scheme that has always classically valued size inside and then speed outside. I wouldn't be shocked as a result if Coleman (despite Beane's intention) ends up playing a fair amount of big slot.
Perhaps that is what Brady means when he says position-less...it also uses a lot of condensed and bunch formations, empty backfields, etc. In those scenarios, I know that there is technically a slot, but who it is is kind of a moot point.
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think the "conventional" combination is a bit of a holdover from the Daboll era. He liked that balance. Brady is gonna run some more spread and we saw some of that last year.
But I am not sure I buy that that this group will separate better. I think the opposite.
We don't talk about it a lot, but before Joe Brady was at LSU he cut his teeth with Sean Payton in NO. I think we are seeing that play out.
As for the separation...we've gone round and round so I won't belabor the point. But the whole thing is it isn't just the players that are changing.
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Say what you will about this year’s receiving core, but one thing is for sure…they are ALOT different physically from previous groups Josh has had at his disposal.
Looking back, our receiver group was almost comically stereotypical…Big X that only runs straight, do everything z that is your #1, shifty and reliable but smallish y, and a gadget guy. Don’t forget the special teamer who gets snaps and the emergency project guy too.
There is a reason that is the classic setup…the physical skills compliment the role well in a traditional offense. The problem is, traditional offenses have become incredibly predictable in the modern NFL. You might be able to complete passes and even move the football if the guys are talented enough, but you’re gonna struggle with separation, YAC and scoring in the red zone. Sound familiar?
This season, they turned over practically the whole room. Out of the projected top 6-7, only one guy is < 6’ and even he is close to 200 lbs. They’re all fast, or at the very least explosive and athletic. And none of them have been the guy before (which could be a problem, granted). In some ways, it feels more like the way a college team builds their roster, in that they just try and get the best athletes they can and worry about how to use them later. All of this makes for a group that is almost the antithesis of what we have had before, especially when you factor in the other skill spots. As a result, we are way less predictable this season.
i get why that is scary, because that also means we as fans don’t know what to expect either, and it feels like everyone is unproven, including the OC. But there is one guy that is proven: Josh Allen. I have 100% faith that he will run the crap out of this offense and have his best season ever.
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5 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Samuel’s 800 yard season came on a season where his team was 18th in the NFL in passing yards. He was behind 2 other 1k yard receivers in Chosen and Moore. It was also in 2020.
Mooney’s 1000 yard season, he was on a team that was 30th in passing yards and 29th in attempts. He was the only WR to break 500 yards. And it was in 2021.
Field > Bridgewater as a passer is such a bad take, it’s shocking. Teddy had a 10 year career after a terrible knee injury that almost ended his career. Fields is 3 years removed from being a first round pick and was traded for a 6th, after starting all of 22 and getting his team the first overall pick.
Just terrible opinions lol
You're exhausting.
JF was the QB for 10 games, and Andy Dalton was the QB for 6 in 2021. And Teddy Bridgewater was not good in 2020...I don't care how you try and spin it.
Mooney put up 200 more yards on 43 more targets...in other words his YPT was way lower. Only had like 20 more scrimmage yards when you factor in carries.
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30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Okay he played in the slot more last year than I realised. His 1,000 yard season he played 70% outside.
On the ESPN analytics don't they counter your point that Samuel is a good separator? He is valued at 36/99 and 136th best in the NFL at being open. I admit I don't fully follow what the metrics are alleging to show.
Yeah, it surprised me...Harmon has different metrics on reception perception. It was an honest question on the ESPN analytics...just stumbled upon it today. If I had to guess, I think it is a man vs. zone thing. This one doesn't seem to distinguish.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
My offseason realistic WR target list was also:
1. Mooney
2. Samuel
I think they are closer as players than you do. It is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other talent wise IMO. But Mooney is a proper outside receiver and Samuel is a move receiver. Outside was our need and is generally the more valuable spot which might also be reflected in the contracts they each got.
Are we talking about the same Mooney? Dude is a stick. Flanker/slot.
While we are talking about wr:
Curious about thoughts on this...
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30 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I think contract/market or draft position is probably as close to objective as we can get as observers.
Like we don’t argue that Coleman is better than MHJ, right? He might be, sure but we know that MHJ was WR1 in the draft and Coleman was not.
So ultimately while contract isn’t perfect, and nothing is, what we do know is that Mooney commanded $5M more than Samuel despite worst numbers. Which would point to me that he had a higher market, which would also point to that he is thought of as more valuable.
I like Samuel a lot. Him and Mooney were actually both my wishlist targets prior to the off-season. I thought Mooney was going to be completely undervalued by the league because he was held back by arguably the worst passer in the league. I was wrong, clearly the league saw what I saw, which is a guy who was held back by his garbage QB.
So yes, I think Mooney would walk in as WR1 in this room. His 1k yard season with Fields was more impressive than Samuel’s 800 yard season. Imo.
How so?
Fields>Brdigewater, plus Mooney needed 140 targets to get those yards. Curtis put up his numbers with a lot less targets (97). He was fighting with guys like DJ Moore and Robbie Chosen for targets (and CMC, but he got hurt early), while Mooney was up against the shadow of Allen Robinson and the TE room.
In the two healthy seasons following their breakouts, Samuel put up considerably better numbers across the board with just as bad a QB and more WR competition. He was also drafted significantly higher and is much bigger.
again, I think the contract is more about things like fit, Second contract vs third contract, etc. For example, Curtis Samuels contract with Washington was 3 years for 34 mil...He was either a top 10 paid receiver or close to it last season before all the wild deals
But, and even though I don’t believe this…let’s call it a wash. Pitts and Kincaid cancel out and Samuel and Mooney cancel out. So it’s down to London and a bunch of scrubs vs. Coleman, Shakir, MVS, Hollins, Knox and whoever is 6.
is that really a 12 spot difference?
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22 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Um Darnell Mooney got $13M AAV. That’s more than any player on the Bills. Samuel, our #1 paid WR got $8M AAV.
He put up 1k yards with a QB who can’t throw the ball. That’s better than any season any of the Bills WR’s have ever had.
Do you think he got paid $5M more than Samuel because the NFL thought he was a worse player or a better player? Honest question.I had a feeling contract was going to be your response...That is super situational and team/player dependent. If I had to guess, it probably comes down to age and injury history, but I am not sure. For the record, I also think Samuel is better than Gabe Davis (who got 13 AAV, too)
But since you brought up Samuel...aside from contract, please tell me all about how Mooney is a better player. Im genuinely curious. The last two seasons, Samuel has had more targets, catches, yards, touchdowns. He is also 20lbs heavier AND faster AND has better hands.
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33 minutes ago, FireChans said:
London would be the best WR on the Bills and our instant WR1.
Mooney would be the best WR on the Bills and our instant WR1.
Kyle Pitts has not been elite like he was supposed to be, but after a great rookie season and a disastrous year 2, he caught 50+ balls for 600+ yards. Those are Dalton Kincaid numbers. So I consider TE a wash.
Bijan and Allegier vs Cook and Davis is tougher. I love Cook but gun to my head I think Bijan is more talented and I’d take him for 24.
so besides that, sure we are better.Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Mooney the #1 on the Bills? That's a bold statement...gonna need you to qualify that one. By what measure? Im not sure he cracks the top 3 in Buffalo, and definitely not the top 2. Dude is a stick with questionable hands. Sure, he is fast and pretty good with the ball in his hands...but come on.
As for TE, Id say #1 TE is a wash, but who's their #2? That guy from SF?
Drake London is probably better than what the Bills have, barring Keon Breakout (funny thing is, Drake London is probably best case Keon comp), but after that and Pitts/Kincaid wash, the Bills run away with this one.
Also, this is TE and WR (per the sharp list) so not sure what RB has to do with anything.
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39 minutes ago, FireChans said:
They aren’t ranking the Falcons last year bro. They are ranking this year
he also wasn’t a starter for the Falcons. He started 3 games.Tour of untruths continues.
Ugh.
You still haven't answered the actual question...Instead of arguing my points, please give me ANY reason that the Falcons WR/TE are better than the Bills.
I looked at their roster. London, Mooney and Pitts. Smith and Hollins were their #2 TE and WR, respectively, in targets and yards and they are gone. Behind those 3 there is nothing of note (late round picks and UDFAs with almost 0 production). Mooney and Pitts had 1k seasons in 2021, but significantly less production since (QB related? Maybe)
I am struggling to see how that roster is better than the Bills. The point about Hollins should be clear, because he is a direct comp. On the Falcons, he was their second most productive WR last year. They added Mooney and some late rookie draft picks/UDFAs. That same guy on the Bills may or may not get any run on this team, suggesting we have a deeper room.
So, all that said...instead of arguing my post, try arguing the point...for once.
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7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
It’s amazing to me that the hard core naysayers don’t even understand the kind of potential Brady has with variations and creative designs with this unique and diverse group of size and skill sets.
At the end of the day, I get why they are/were skeptical. Last years offense might not have been a great fit. No one guy had consistent production historically.
The only thing I really ever had a problem understanding was the idea that they lacked talent. This years receiver group is considerably bigger, faster and more athletic than they have ever been with Josh at QB...by like a lot.
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1 minute ago, Logic said:
Yeah. 12 personnel (with four 6'3"+ guys).
I imagine them coming out in a pro set, forcing the defense into base personnel, then shifting to a spread formation, isolating Kincaid, Knox, and Cook on LBs and Safeties.
Me gusta mucho.Here's the crazy thing...because of the skill set guys like Kincaid, Cook, and even Knox have...they might draw the CBs depending on where they motion to and iso a WR on a LB
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1 minute ago, Logic said:
That sure is a giant sized formation...Imagine the damage they could do in the red zone.
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3 minutes ago, Logic said:
In all seriousness, I do believe that the future of offensive football is "positionless" to a certain extent.
To call Christian McCaffrey a running back does not accurately describe all that he does. To call prime Deebo Samuel a wide receiver does not accurately describe all that he does. To call Dalton Kincaid a tight end does not accurately describe all that he does.
You get the picture.
I think Brady plans to be "Mr Matchup". He collected a pile of skill players with different skillsets, and -- based on the camp report from day one -- plans to employ a multitude of motions and shifts to get certain offensive players matched up against certain defensive players in isolation or against certain coverages, and expects Josh to simply find and exploit the most advantageous matchup. That may sound like an obvious, "duh" sort of statement, but it's not exactly how things worked under Ken Dorsey or Brian Daboll.Dorsey and Daboll played more against coverage, not people. In theory, you have an answer for everything a defense does...so as a concept it is great. But defenses have gotten pretty good at disguising coverage, and if the WR needs to read it just like the QB, there is a better chance somebody messes up.
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2 hours ago, bobobonators said:
For real. Samuel wasted away in DC - he’s Deebo Samuel light. I’m psyched.I'm gonna get killed for this, I know it already...but I think they're gonna try and use him like the Dolphins use Tyreek. Probably not featured like Tyreek is, but similar from the perspective that he plays as a flanker and is moving a ton presnap. Lots of targets between the 20s as their primary man beater.
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24 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Fifth in targets, fifth in production, neither of which are #2. JAG numbers from a JAG.
Yet he was second in targets, catches and yards among their WR.
Yes, I said #5 on the Bills...that was at WR. If we count TE and RB, He is likely #8 in targets this season barring injury. So the point doesn't change. He was a starter on the Falcons and he likely won't be on the Bills.
There was nothing disingenuous. This whole thread has gone back and forth between WR or WR/TE (and apparently RB now). But if you felt misled by my post, my apologies. That was not my intent. I was merely trying to point out that he was their #2 WR and didn't clarify. All that said, instead of focusing on how I "lied" maybe you can tell me how you think the Falcons receivers and TE are significantly (16 vs 28) better than the Bills? This isn't a courtroom...maybe focus less on winning and more on a constructive conversation?
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2 hours ago, FireChans said:
Just so we’re clear, Mack Hollins was actually 5th in yards on Atlanta last year. He was also tied for 5th in catches.
Jonnu Smith, a garbage TE, and Bijan Robinson, a really good RB, cleared him by a mile in receiving production.
maybe it was your subjective opinion that he was second last year?
We both know I was talking about receivers. But great job grabbing a post from a few pages back, not actually commenting on any of the points or telling me why the falcons TE and WR are 12 spots better, and pointing out my error. Not enough bad news today to gloat about, I guess.
you win. You’ve officially killed the thread.
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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I promise you my dude, nobody wants the Bills WR’s to be a crappy group on paper.
everyone here wants them to be awesome.
If Coleman is JJ 2.0, the WR group will be good enough to my standards. If he is a normal rookie, I think this will be the weakest group since 2019 that Josh has had.
I will enjoy the ride every Sunday, but there’s no reason to lie to ourselves either. I look around the league and I think the Bills are in the bottom 10 as it stands as a WR group. I pay attention to the entire NFL.
Why would I pretend differently? Of what benefit is it to me? So we can all hold hands and sing about how great they are while we wait for the season to start?
some folks enjoy the actual football aspect as well as being fans of the Bills. Other folks like the Bills exclusively. Neither is wrong for consuming their entertainment the way they would like, but asking folks to lie to themselves is bizarre.
Are there facts about Nate or just opinions?
I mean, CLAYPOOL has been shown the door by 3 franchises in 2 seasons. He’s a league minimum guy who by physical talent alone should be worth more in the league.
But there can’t be facts that he’s probably gonna suck, just opinions, which are subjective. Right?
Claypool isn't a savior...and I don't think the Bills see him as one.
But it is clear that instead of taking late round fliers on WR, they chose to pick up a bunch of recently highly drafted WR that flopped in the NFL to varying degrees for whatever reason.
I think the starters are pretty much locked in as Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid and Cook. Only X and how much 12 we play (and who comes off) is really much of a question at this point. If some combination of Coleman and MVS do a decent job, the Bills will be fine.
I know what you think of my opinion, and it is whatever...but as someone who has seen ALOT of Curtis Samuel football, we should be excited to hear he is playing flanker and going in motion a lot.
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7 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
YES
Allen will carry the acting - Daniel Ricciardo is more fun vibes but not as polished of a comedian as Allen.
I'm excited to figure out what the heck this is lolol
Legendofricallen.com has the full movie up...
So, let's talk about Warren Sharp's latest tweet, it's a good one
in The Stadium Wall
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Do the Eagles have the same problem???
Short Yardage QB runs are the most successful, percentage wise, for a reason...They develop faster (taking advantage of the snap count advantage) and they don't render the QB as a useless player after the handoff. Tom Brady, aka the goat, used to use them all the time.