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5 hours ago, Chaos said:
If you take an objective view of the current Bills roster, other than Allen, are there any players on the current roster that justify refering to Beane as a wizard. Or is it more accurate to say the current roster, other than Allen, is kind of meh.
I doubt you know what a "meh" roster is, dude.
Check out some of these wonderful rosters from the Drought years:
2001 - 3-13
2003 - 6-10
2006 - 7-9
2008 - 7-9
2010 - 4-12
2011 - 6-10
2014 - 9-7
These rosters contained some outstanding players but most of the roster spots were occupied by players that had to improve significantly to make JAG level, especially on the lines.
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While fire itself isn't an invention, the harnessing of fire for light, heat, and cooking food certainly was. It was the very first step on the road to civilization.
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26 minutes ago, Irv said:
Well, electricity wasn't really invented. How about the invention of the AC generator to produce electricity?
Actually both alternating and direct current produce electricity.
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6 hours ago, FLFan said:
I was not sure where else to post this but mods please merge if appropriate.
For those of you with Athletic access, Brugler’s 7 round mock draft posted today. Linked above. If you are not familiar with him, he publishes an excellent compendium and ranking of NFL draft prospects each year that can also be found on the Athletic. He has the Bills trading up with Jacksonville to 17 using their first this year, two fourths, and a second next year to take Brian Thomas. He has us with Cole Bishop, Safety in the second, and Javon Baker, WR in the third. This seems like an excellent result to me, but certainly interested in what the more knowledgeable draft gurus around here think.
I would be thrilled with Thomas in particular. Bishop seems more of a box safety but does have some cover skills as well. Baker is a potential replacement to Gabe’s role on this team, but with more ability to get open in intermediate routes. Good YAC ability as well.
I would be good with giving up that for Thomas. I think that most analysts think Thomas will go in the teens. I'm not into the draft more than to have a very superficial knowledge of the prospects the Bills could be targeting in the first round, so I defer others on the rest of the Bills picks.
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Belichick's career path was an outstanding DC who went on to become a great HC. I would love McDermott to follow that path.
Belichick's failure to secure a new job after his NE stint ended, has more to do with his having total control in NE for 24 years and how he's perceived as relating to his players than to his being a primarily defensive HC. Most owners don't want a GM/HC although a few teams still use this model. They want a GM and HC to work together rather than competing for supremacy.
I think that Belichick's perceived image is of a master manipulator and win-at-all-costs guy who doesn't tolerate mistakes, calls out anybody and everybody, etc. I don't know if that's a true image or not, but I think when fans think of Belichick, that's a lot of what they think. I think McDermott projects a much different image, one of a HC who cares for his players as people, is a patient teacher, is more encouraging coach than a disciplarian, and a HC who works well with others. Again, I don't know that that's an accurate image, either, but several media analysts have speculated that many owners are looking for HCAs who work well with today's players -- and that would be kinder, gentler guys than Belichick and more like McDermott.
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14 hours ago, Special K said:
How about Marshawn Lynch??
Of course, his failures in Buffalo were more off the field....but I think that counts.
Actually I think that Marshawn's failures in Buffalo were due to Dick Jauron's play to not lose by too much philosophy.
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1 hour ago, Sweats said:
You fit right in around here then.
I'm undecided if you're trolling or if you simply refuse to admit, even to yourself, that you've said/wrote/posted something really stupid, so you have to defend that indefensible position to the death. Brandon Beane has better things to do than waste even a nanosecond on considering a trade offer for Josh Allen ... that's supposing that some other GM has wasted even a nanosecond thinking that the Bills would accept any offer for him.
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This "epic" trade scenario is the stupidest idea that I've ever seen on TSW. The Biils won the NFL equivalent of a $500 million Powerball lottery in 2018. Trading away a generational QB talent in his prime makes absolutely no sense in the modern NFL with free agency and the salary cap forcing frequent player personnel turn over.
How hard is it to find a truly great NFL QB? I bolded the first round QBs in the list below who I think are/were about equal with Josh Allen, which would be Rodgers and Mahomes. I used red for the 2 QBs who have had significant injuries that derailed or may derail their pro careers. Even if you include Luck and Burrow, the first round of 20 drafts have yielded only 5 what might be considered "generational QBs". That's less than 8% of the QBs taken in the first round. There were numerous franchise QBs who were very good and fewer who are/were close to great for a time, and a handful of likely HOFers. Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen, however, are on a level above any NFL QBs who have played in their prime in the 21st century except for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
Here are 20 years of the 66 first round QBs in this century who have finished their rookies contracts:
2001 ... 1 ... Michael Vick
2002 ... 1 ... David Carr 3 ... Joey Harrington
2003 ... 1 ... Carson Palmer 7 ... Byron Leftwich 19 ... Kyle Boller 22 ... Rex Grossman
2004 ... 1 ... Eli Manning 4 ... Philip Rivers 11 ... Ben Roethlisberger 22 .. JP Losman
2005 ... 1 ... Alex Smith 24 ... Aaron Rodgers 32 ... Jason Campbell
2006 ... 3 ... Vince Young 10 ... Matt Leinart 11 ... Jay Cutler
2007 ... 1 ... JaMarcus Russell 22 ... Brady Quinn
2008 ... 3 ... Matt Ryan 18 ... Joe Flacco
2009 ... 1 ... Matthew Stafford 5 ... Mark Sanchez 17 ... Josh Freeman
2010 ... 1 ... Sam Bradford 25 ... Tim Tebow
2011 ... 1 ... Cam Newton 8 ... Jake Locker 10 ... Blaine Gabbert 12 ... Christian Ponder
2012 ... 1 ... Andrew Luck 2 ... Robert Griffin 8 ... Ryan Tannehill 22 ... Brandon Weeden
2013 ... 16 ... EJ Manuel
2014 ... 3 ... Blake Bortles 22 ... Johnny Manziel 32 ... Teddy Bridgewater
2015 ... 1 ... Jameis Winston 2 ... Marcus Mariota
2016 ... 1 ... Jared Goff 2 ... Carson Wentz 26 ... Paxton Lynch
2017 ... 2 ... Mitch Trubisky 10 ... Patrick Mahomes 12 ... Deshaun Watson
2018 ... 1 ... Baker Mayfield 3 ... Sam Darnold 7 ... Josh Allen 10 ... Josh Rosen 32 ... Lamar Jackson
2019 ... 1 ... Kyler Murray 6 ... Daniel Jones 15 ... Dwayne Haskins
2020 ... 1 ... Joe Burrow 5 ... Tua Tagovailoa 6 ... Justin Herbert 26 ... Jordan Love
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58 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:
I couldn't read the aricle becasue of the paywall, but that premise is correct IMO. The more swings you get in the draft, the better chances you have of getting a hit. Early rounds (1-3) render better athletes, so it obvously makes a difference where your picks lie. While I generally like Beane, I hate his draft philosophy of moving up to get "his guy." It costs us swings at the bat to get young cheap talent. Here are the early trade ups. QB you have to move up for, but the rest are very debatable how well we did.
In 2018 he moved up for a QB, which worked out because the Bills were lucky nobody selected Allen before us. Edmunds cost us a 3rd (we got back a 5th).
2019 sent a 5th for Cody Ford. Gave up 2 4th rounders for Knox.
2020 trade for Diggs, sent a 1st, 5th, 6th, and a 2021 4th. Got a 7th back
2021 no trade up.
2022 Elam cost a 4th
2023 Kincaid cost a 4th.
The question about 2018 really is, would Beane have traded up to #7 if Allen was already gone? Usually those first round trades are finalized when a team is on the clock ... so that the team trading up knows their guy is available. I certainly hope that that was how Beane worked it to get Allen rather than just trading up to #7 on the hope that Allen would be available.
Trading up without being sure that the player you want will be available seems a pretty stupid move.
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On 4/13/2024 at 3:19 PM, CoudyBills said:23 hours ago, Just Jack said:
Funny enough, my phone must have seen me reading your post, because shortly after my FB feed suggested this article...
11 Unbelievable Conspiracy Theories That Were Actually True | HowStuffWorks
Thanks for the enlightenment. I think that many of those conspiracy theories, though, rather quickly crossed over to real conspiracies because evidence that there was some truth to them was found. The Business Coup was discovered before it took place. President Kennedy nixed the CIA's terror plot they intended to blame on Cuba. The 1970s CIA assassination plots were discovered by Congress only a few years in.
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On 4/13/2024 at 12:46 PM, julian said:
This is common knowledge, many so called conspiracy theories have been proven correct, not sure how you don’t know this. I could list plenty but what’s the point ? You’re obviously coming from a place of skepticism and if you were genuinely interested in educating yourself about the topic you would have already done so and certainly wouldn’t be relying on a stranger on a message board to do so.
Like I said, it’s really not controversial or interesting so I’m not going to entertain the back and forth, I respect your views and hope you have a nice weekend.
I don't think you understand the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory.
If something illegal or sinister or unethical, occurs that's the result of two or more people planning it, that's a conspiracy. Conspiracies leave clues that remain available after the fact to investigators -- conspirators themselves, people that conspirators may have confided in or confessed to or who may have seen something/heard relevant to the conspiracy, forensic evidence, various paper or electronic records, surveillance film or photos, etc. Investigators may not be able to gather enough evidence to convict the conspirators in a court of law or it may take them many years to get enough evidence to do so, but there is always some evidence of the conspiracy very early on in any investigation. An example of a famous conspiracy in the US: Oklahoma City Bombing
A conspiracy theory is an alleged conspiracy that's lacking with any substantial evidence that an a conspiracy exists. The supposed "evidence" that supports conspiracy theories is most often denial that a single individual could have carried out the action so there must be others involved. Another kind of "evidence" believers cite to support some conspiracy theories is pseudo-science or debunked science. Frequently supporters of conspiracy theories may cite coincidences or omissions or mistakes as "evidence" of a conspiracy by someone.
Conspiracy theories linger for decades because no evidence ever comes to light, no matter how much rehashing of the facts. There are no death bed confessions from co-conspirators. No researchers working on other historical events about the same time never find some physical evidence that sheds new light on anything.
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17 hours ago, julian said:
The fact you can’t admit that some so called “conspiracy theories” have proven to be true over time, just means your not a serious person or you live in an echo chamber, either way I respect your views and you have a great evening.
Name three conspiracy theories that have been around for a quarter of a century or more that have been proven true. I asked you this question before at the beginning of this thread and you never answered, so answer it now or you will prove that you are the one who is " not a serious person or you live in an echo chamber" -- and that you no respect others' view:
On 4/12/2024 at 9:19 AM, SoTier said:What conspiracy theories have been "proven correct"? After 60 years, there's as much proof that the CIA killed Kennedy as there is that the Cubans, Russians or Mafia killed him. John Wilkes Booth died in a barn in southern Virginia in April 1865. FDR didn't know about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened. Hitler didn't escape to South America. Astronauts landed on the moon several times. 9/11 wasn't "an inside job". Speculation, rumors, coincidences, debunked pseudo-scientific theories and outright lies do not constitute "proof".
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5 hours ago, julian said:
Nothing wrong with challenging group think, the conspiracy theorist tag is pretty silly at this point in history with all that’s been proven correct after carrying conspiracy label.
You’d think people would know better by now.
What conspiracy theories have been "proven correct"? After 60 years, there's as much proof that the CIA killed Kennedy as there is that the Cubans, Russians or Mafia killed him. John Wilkes Booth died in a barn in southern Virginia in April 1865. FDR didn't know about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened. Hitler didn't escape to South America. Astronauts landed on the moon several times. 9/11 wasn't "an inside job". Speculation, rumors, coincidences, debunked pseudo-scientific theories and outright lies do not constitute "proof".
3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:He is a strange human. I have never warmed to him as a personality. I'm sure all those top QBs have an element of douchiness to them but I always found Rodgers the most dislikeable.
For years, the general assumption has been that Brett Favre was a douche because he wasn't particularly helpful to Rodgers when both were on the Packers. Now, Favre is no prize as a person but maybe it wasn't just Favre.
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12 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:
Cause when has our defense shown up when it counts anyways?
This is not an opinion of what I think they should do, I'm saying it's a possibility that is all.
This forum was way more sane during the drought years. Y'all get all emotional over players now.
It's a smart move business wise if they got a good return.
Let me guess, you're Russ Brandon's mom or RB himself. Amirite?
4 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:60 people voted on your post and not a single like or thumbs up. Gotta be a record. What a terrible post by you lol
I've never given out 2 vomit emojis to any poster until this thread.
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9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
I love Milano and am certainly not looking to find holes in his game or a way for him off the team.
Having said that, he is a quality asset valued around the league.
If moving him now would make the team BETTER OVERALL, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Who wouldn't?I would say the same of almost anyone on the team save Josh.
How would a 5th or 6th round draft pick make the team "BETTER OVERALL"?
9 hours ago, Blackbeard said:Well, i think to regroup a bit. We need to restock with young legs, etc. Kinda part of the biz.
A package deal sending him elsewhere for another player and a draft pick may not be a bad option.
Younger and cheaper is what were up against.
The Bills are already "younger and cheaper". Furthermore, the Bills can't afford to trade Milano because of the cap hit.
7 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:This isn't about what I want to happen. It's about the best options available to get the talent we need and get younger and cheeper.
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. The Bills have already gotten "younger and cheaper". They don't need to trade away one of their best defenders for next to nothing.
6 hours ago, Mat68 said:Why do some look at this like a 1 offseason Madden rebuild? Milano is our best defender. Why trade him and create another hole on the roster? A few extra picks to package for Marvin Harrison? You dont fill a hole by making another.
This trade idea conjures up shades of the Bills back in the darkest days of the Drought when Russ Brandon traded future HOF LT Jason Peters for a pick at the bottom of the first round and a couple of years later traded away future All Pro RB Marshawn Lynch for a fourth rounder.
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58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Joe Brady fed into the narrative that Buffalo was dead last year when he took over. He wore the “Buffalo vs Everybody “ sweatshirt almost everyday.
I think we are better as an underdog. We’re an underdog city. It’ll be easy for McDermott and his staff to motivate this team.
I think that most teams benefit from the "us against the world" mentality, but it can be especially helpful to talented teams that need to get more focus or have had some setbacks.
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3 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:
I understand your point … I just don’t agree that shedding good/great players is your road to success. Sure, it provides cap relief so you can hopefully draft/sign a good/great replacement, so you’re cycling your roster to move to the next generation of cost controlled good/great players. You’re ALWAYS looking for greatness
Obviously, you haven't paid attention to the Chiefs' road to their back-to-back Lombardis. With the salary cap, the only teams that don't have to regularly replace good/great expensive veterans with younger and/or less expensive players are those that don't have to pay a franchise QB.
Looking objectively at the players the Bills released/traded/did not re-sign this season, only Diggs, Floyd, and Morse would qualify as "good/great players" that the Bills will miss. Hyde and Poyer weren't nearly as good last year as they had been in past seasons. Tre White has been a non-factor because of injury for more than 2 seasons. Gabe Davis was too inconsistent a WR for the Bills to pay him the $13 million a year. Moreover, during the Bills late season winning streak, it was younger players like Kinkaid and Shakir who took up the slack when Diggs and Davis just seemed to disappear.
The OP's point was that "the sky isn't really falling" which is what one would think if one relied on the national media for all your Bills news. That's a reasonable opinion at this time, especially since the roster isn't nearly complete yet. It's entirely possible that the Bills find a replacement for Diggs, Floyd or Morse in the upcoming draft. If Beane hits a proverbial "home run" in the draft, the Bills could draft 2 or 3 guys who are significantly better than the players from 2023 roster from the get-go. Then there are players who will become available after June 1st when the Bills will have some money to sign FAs by then.
Of course, you can continue to live under a dark cloud the rest of the spring and summer if that's you're thing.
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15 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:
Someone from the top group has to fall because I don't think we'll have 7 receivers go in the 1st round like a lot of mocks are showing. Teams also have access to prospects' medical information that isn't publicly known, which can cause a prospect to fall.
I just hope Beane doesn't get antsy and trade up for a wide receiver in a draft with this much depth.
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12 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:But what kind of depth are we talking about? Are there 10 guys who can #1 WR's? Cosell has 3 immediate guys and 2 that should become a #1 according to his scouting.
Do you say wait to draft a guy that will develop into a really good #2 and that's it?
From the mocks I've seen, it seems likely that 4 QBs and 6 OTs plus 1 TE go in the first round, all before #28. The top 3 WRs will be gone before long before #28, so these will account for about half the picks before #28. It seems to me that the Bills could very well stay put or trade up just a couple of spots and grab a really good WR.
As the OP pointed out, numerous WR1s have come out of the bottom of the first and the second round. Just because a draftnik or pundit gives Player A a first round grade and Player B a second round grade means nothing. It's their opinions, and their livelihoods don't depend upon them getting the picks right -- just that their opinions draw viewers, clicks, interest etc.
Moreover, taking a WR high in the first round doesn't guarantee success, even with a QB like Allen. I'd rather the Bills select a prospect in a different position if he's a better prospect than any of the WRs left, or even trade back some spots, rather than take a WR whom they're only lukewarm about just to take a WR in the first.
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1 hour ago, chris heff said:
I do want to win now and if a trade happens for Jefferson I’ll be delighted. I’m just not sure that with a draft class as deep at WR that a trade is necessary. Manning with Harrison and Wayne only won one Superbowl, would I take one win? Sure. Young, Montana and Rice couldn’t happen in today’s NFL, salary cap didn’t start until 1994 and there was Plan B free agency. I think Brady made Edelman and Welker great. Joe Ferguson had OJ Simpson, JD Hill, Ahmad Rashad and Bob Chandler and never won anything. Josh Allen is elite, he needs solid skill players. That run at the end of last season was not because of a superstar WR. The production came from Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Curtis Samuel is an interesting pick up, with an interesting skill set, he has played on bad teams with bad QBs. Get Josh another weapon or two, whether that be through trade or draft and they will win now.
I'm in the segment of fans that think that the Bills need more difference makers, so I would consider a trade for Jefferson because he's definitely one. There's no guarantee that any WR we draft would develop into one ... or even be very good ... so I wouldn't trade much to move up in the draft to grab one.
OTOH, I don't believe that a great WR is a necessity, so if the Bills can grab a prospective difference maker who is an IOLer or DB or DLer, I want them to go for it and take a WR later in the draft.
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16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Obviously it’s Diggs, but to vote against Ryan Fitzpatrick is a sin.
That's why I didn't vote. 😁
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54 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:
Why not draft two young players on the cheap? Would you rather we pay Jefferson big money or draft two “good” players with high ceilings on cost controlled contracts? We already did this same very thing with Diggs.
Allen with two of either LegetN'te, Worthy, Franklin, Pearsall, Polk or Burton is a very scary thought.
Lets get our very own Jefferson on a rookie contract.
Because we could very well wind up with Corey Davis and Zay Jones. You trade for a young veteran because he's a known commodity.
7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:So you should want to win now. Go for the proven commodity!
Manning won with Harrison and Wayne. Young and Montana had Rice.
Brady and Mahommes had two of the three best tight ends in NFL history. Brady had two of the best slot WRs in NFL history in Edelman and Welker. People act like Brady and these other QBs did not have weapons. They played with some of the best players at their positions in NFL history. Maybe Kincaid is in that category. He certainly has started career well.
Agree. A great QB needs protection and weapons. The Bills have given Allen some weapons but he could always use more. I would be more inclined to trade for a veteran like Jefferson (if his contract can fit under the cap) than to trade significant draft capital to grab WR prospect. Too many high round WRs don't ever live up to their draft hype. We know what Jefferson can do.
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21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.
Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.I don't think it was meant as a criticism of Diggs, so much as an example of another difference in the way the game was played 30 years ago and how it's played today.
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12 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.
I disagree. Reed and Moulds played in an entirely different era so you cannot really compare stats. DBs had much more latitude to defend passes back then. I would guess that at least half of the PI penalties today would be considered good defensive plays 30 years ago. Both also played before "WR" and "diva" became virtually synonymous.
Reed's career spanned the Bills' Glory Years. He had 4 1000+ yard seasons plus 3 more 900+ and 2 800+ yard seasons when 1000 yard seasons were much rarer than they are today. He also shared WR duties with James Lofton in the prime of his career and with Eric Moulds at the end of it. He also was instrumental in helping the Bills get to four consecutive Super Bowls.
Moulds played on the declining teams of the late 1990s and the early Drought teams of the early 2000s. He played with Kelly only for a single season as a rookie. Then he suffered through seasons with Todd Collins, Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, and Kelly Holcomb. He had four 1,000 yard seasons: in 1998 (1368, Flutie), 2000 (1326, Johnson), 2002 (1292, Bledsoe), and 2004 (1043, Bledsoe).
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I voted "Other". I would like the Bills to take a WR either first or second round, but I want the Bills to go BPA at #28 even if that's not a WR, possibly moving up a few spots to get the prospect they want. While the late first round is a good place to pick a premium S or IOL with the potential to become a difference maker, rather than taking a WR with less potential simply to fill a need, I'm flexible as to positions such DL. This is a such a deep WR draft that the Bills should be able to get a good WR prospect in the second round even if they have to trade up a few spots.
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Bill Belichick rumored to be interested in Cowboys & Bills...
in The Stadium Wall
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If Belichick was willing to be the Bills assistant HC and/or defensive coordinator, I would be all for it. Dick LeBeau helped the Stillers win two Super Bowls (XL and XLIII) as a sort of HC emeritus with the title assistant HC/defensive coordinator.
I think it's very unlikely that Belichick would consider such a position if the Bills offered it. I think he wants to be a HC in order to get the wins he needs to become the winningest HC.