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4 hours ago, Ramza86 said:
13 seconds. If a fat idiot like myself sitting on a couch is screaming at the TV to not give that much space to the WRs he has no excuse to botch that.
Says the fat idiot who never made a mistake.
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13 hours ago, FireChans said:
Curtis Samuel was the 4th highest paid WR that free agency period.
Him and Mack Hollins were signed weeks before Diggs was even traded.
So really this is completely misleading and revisionist history.
Seems like they knew they were determined to send Diggs packing -- maybe even working on possible trades -- when they signed both Samuel and Hollins. In what universe does proactively dealing with a disruptive player constitute "revisionist history"?
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12 hours ago, BillsFooteball said:
Well the suspense is killing me! Who is #32 and the only coach in the NFL you rank McDermott ahead of?!
Andy Reid, of course.
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7 hours ago, FireChans said:
I mean, can you imagine if we win 10+ games every year and don't win a Super Bowl? What a waste.
Having a HOF caliber QB guarantees nothing. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl despite playing for 17 seasons under 2 HOF coaches, Don Shula and Jimmie Johnson, both of whom won Lombardis with other QBs. In his 10 playoff seasons, Marino only played in one SB (after the 1984 season). He lost in the AFC Conference Championship twice, the last loss (1992 season) to the Bills. He also lost twice more in the playoffs to the Bills before his retirement.
5 hours ago, Gregg said:Obviously, the author of that op-ed piece could only find 4 NFL HCs on the proverbial "hot seat", so he scoured fan sites and discovered TSW's McDermott haters.
1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:You are reading too many threads with rose colored glasses brother Bill.
😉
Sammy Sunshine strikes again.
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1 hour ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
This clown lists John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens #4, yet he continues to fall far shorter than McDermott in the playoffs while having a 3-time MVP quarterback. Lamar Jackson is consistently ranked as a better QB than Allen at PFF and many other sites (although many of us Bills fans would disagree). McDermott is 2-0 against Harbaugh and Jackson in the playoffs. Harbaughs has a dismal record of 3-5 in the playoffs since Jacksons arrival compared to McDermotts 7-6 with Josh Allen, yet he lists McDermott as 11th with the only reason being his playoff record, mainly losing to the Chiefs. How can he justify ranking Harbaugh as 4th when he can't get past either the Bills or the Chiefs in the playoffs and put McDermott is 11th when Mcdermott has clearly has out coached Harbough with a lesser ranked QB (according to PFF)?
While this article is from PFF, it really is simply just another subjective listing based on opinion not any kind of data, and for this particular author -- and others -- winning a Super Bowl even more than a decade ago automatically elevates that coach to any "best HCs" list. It's stupid, but it's the way it is. IMO, Payton and Tomlin are also in this group of HCs living off past glory rather than recent performance, especially in the playoffs.
1 hour ago, FireChans said:Do you consider Lamar better than Josh?
I like Lamar a lot, and I think he’s a force, but I think he’s got some real Achilles heel type stuff that holds him back compared to Josh.
so I don’t personally think the Ravens have ever played the bills in the playoffs with a QB advantage. I think the opposite. Don’t you?
In 2024, Lamar was much closer to Allen and Mahomes as a complete QB than ever, but he was backed up by a much better supporting cast than either. The Baltimore roster was clearly superior to the Bills roster outside of QB in 2024, which is why Allen won the MVP despite Lamar having significantly better statistics.
Football is a team sport, and Harbaugh has consistently had excellent rosters that he doesn't seem to get the most out of, especially in the playoffs, in recent years.
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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He won on the road in Kansas City and Atlanta. Both playoff teams.
Don't confuse revisionist historians with facts. It's mean.
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5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Payton's ahead of him because of getting a rookie QB to the playoffs or whatever. But he was absolutely outcoached in the playoffs against buffalo to an almost embarassing degree. That was the popular "Upset alert" and they promptly got stomped.
To me - PFF is supposed to be the "analytics" group, and this article didn't offer much of anything to back it up.
I totally agree. This article reminded me of the articles/lists that PFF would put out in its early days where its "analytics" would "prove" that some mediocre QB who was only starting because the team didn't have anybody better on the roster was actually a top five QB. I don't know what magical "analytics" the statboys are using but it smells a lot more like subjective opinion than numbers to me.
5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott.
Career-wise, Payton has certainly gotten good mileage out of his single SB appearance, but this is 2025 not 2009, and the NFL is a different league today than it was. Certainly McDermott was the better coach than Payton in last year's playoffs.
3 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:People keep giving Stefanski a pass for the train wreck that is Cleveland. Yeah, they have and idiot GM, but without evidence on the field you can't justify ranking Stephanski with the best coaches in the league. I question Tomlin's ranking as well. Yes, he's had success over a long tenure, but the last several years, the Steelers have tended toward mediocrity. I don't like the Jim Harbaugh selection either. Yeah, he's a good coach with some history before he fled the NFL for Michigan, but PFF seems to buy into the Harbaugh mystique and bluster instead of looking at recent history, because he has precious little.
I fail to see the relevancy of Tomlin's 2008 SB win, Payton's 2009 SB win or John Harbaugh's 2012 SB win to these coaches' ability in 2025.
2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:I think he allows Josh Allen to be exciting though. Justin Herbert for all his flaws used to be exciting. Harbaugh turned him into one of the most boring QBs in football. The Bills are a fun watch. The Chargers made me want to rake my eyes out.
But if your point is so far McDermott has proved himself a turn around specialist not a championship winner, of course that is true.
I think Herbert is doomed with Harbaugh as HC and Greg Roman as OC.
2 hours ago, FireChans said:The 2017 Bills were just as boring if not moreso imo.
As far as allowing Josh Allen to be exciting, McD has been very clear that his ideal offense is taking the ball out of Josh’s hands much more than we have previously seen.
In fairness to Harbaugh, he has Roman who has always struggled with building a modern passing offense, and absolutely dreadful WRs outside of Ladd.
They went back to the WR well again this year and we’ll see if that makes any difference.
I also think there’s an argument to turn around a team in the modern NFL, you need buy-in equity. The chargers winning ugly into the playoffs probably went a long way in that locker room, not dissimilar to how McD was viewed after 17. He has now cemented it as his team imo.
The negative Nancy’s lol.
if McD wins a Super Bowl, him and Beane can stay until they die for all I care.
Harbaugh had Roman as his OC in San Francisco before he departed for Michigan. Now he's hired him again.
2 hours ago, HappyDays said:Last year's offensive scheme was about making Allen's play more boring, no? I don't mean that in a bad way. Raising the floor was an admirable goal and the results spoke for themselves. I think Justin Herbert's problem is Justin Herbert. He is missing that spark of pure will that defines the top 4 QBs. That mentality in critical moments that he will make it happen all on his own if he has to. I don't think Harbaugh took that spark out of him, he just never had it to begin with. What Harbaugh did last year is make the best out of a horrid group of skill players and a QB that isn't uniquely talented enough to overcome it.
I disagree about Herbert. I think he's been the victim of crappy coaching his entire career, and it's only gotten worse with the new regime. I think what Roman wants him to do doesn't fit his skill set or his temperament. Harbaugh hardly made "the best out of a horrid group of skill players and a QB that isn't uniquely talented enough to overcome it"; he created the situation by forcing Herbert into his system rather than modifying his system to fit his QB.
BTW, if you think I dislike Harbaugh and Roman, I plead no contest.
2 hours ago, FireChans said:What good QBs has he taken the ball out of their hands though?
Herbert is the only one, and seeing as Herby is addicted to playoff meltdowns, it doesn’t seem like a bad strategy.
Roman was the OC in Baltimore from 2019 through 2022. He failed to develop Lamar Jackson as a passer. In 2 seasons under Todd Monken, Lamar has become an infinitely better QB as demonstrated by his superlative stats in 2024.
1 hour ago, sunshynman said:You are so sure he can't. But it's just that he hasn't yet. How long did it take Reid?
Teacher! 🖐️ Teacher! 🖐️ I know!!! 🖐️ I know!!! 🖐️ It took Andy Reid only 6 seasons to make the Super Bowl, 14 more seasons to actually win a SB!
1 hour ago, billsfan714 said:Thats exactly it right there. Im not willing to waste Josh on a coach that can't get it done, that would be a tragedy.
Are you buying the Bills? I didn't realize they were for sale.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:
At least 75% posters on here don’t seem to get this.
No Josh Allen = .500-.600 coaching record for McDYour assumption is bull manure because you are simply projecting your opinion onto the entire TSW comunity.
Secondly, you have no idea who the Bills would have at QB if they didn't have Allen. You are assuming that the Bills would have some dud, but with Beane as GM, I think that's unlikely. What if in 2018, Beane stayed at #12, drafted Lamar rather than trading up to get Allen, and used the draft capital he'd accumulated to draft more supporting players -- like WRs or DLers etc?
1 hour ago, Einstein said:I agree. And that is part of the reason why I have been a staunch supporter of keeping McD. It’s also why I stated (in the post you quoted) that my argument is not against McD, but rather against the argument that 2017 proves anything. Marrone and Mularkey both led us to 9-7 records - they just weren’t lucky enough to do so in a year where 9-7 meant a playoff berth.
From another perspective: Rex Ryan went 8-8 with the same roster that McD went 9-7.
Actually, Mularkey wasn't unlucky. He failed to have his team prepared for the Steelers who came into the season finale with nothing to play for -- just like the Bills in last season's finale. An UDFA rookie named Willie Parker ran for 100+ yards against the Bills starters. The final score didn't reflect how badly the Bills got smacked around by Pitt's second and third stringers.
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8 hours ago, Einstein said:
I remember.
I remember going to the playoffs with the same record that we missed out on the playoffs twice during the drought.I remember only having that record because we played the easiest schedule ever, facing Josh McCown, David Fales, Trevor Siemian, Jameis Winston, Jacoby Brissett, Derek Carr, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, and Jay Cutler.
I remember needing Andy Dalton to save us.
This is nothing against McD… just saying that year proves nothing imo.
These days lots of newly-hired HCs talk about "culture" and changing losing culture, but not many actually accomplish it in their first season. McDermott did so ... and he did it before he had an all-world QB.
7 hours ago, uticaclub said:If the Jets draft Allen, McDermott is a defensive coordinator
If the Jests draft Allen, Allen is just another first round QB bust.
7 hours ago, Mikie2times said:He was 41-55 as a HC before Brady arrived. Andy Reid was 11-13 in the playoffs before Mahomes arrived, McD has a losing record in games Josh Allen doesn't start in. If a coach isn't capable of approaching a similar status as they did with said HOF QB, is it not a reasonable conclusion to say the QB is likely driving more of the outcome than the HC?
Plenty of examples exist of HOF QB's with multiple HC's. How many HOF coaches without HOF QB's? It is possible to look at performance separately and draw some conclusions. All of which really don't support what you're saying.
These stats prove that stats can be cherry-picked to seemingly prove anything. You should look at the regular season records, playoff records, and win-loss records in games without their future HOF QBs for all three coaches to have a valid comparison.
6 hours ago, uticaclub said:The roster he made the playoffs with were 9-7, 8-8 & 7-9 the three prior years, he didn't take over a bottom feeder
ROTFLMAO. You obviously don't remember the Drought Era accurately. The Bills back then were marked by mediocrity. They had 3 or 4 seasons with really bad records, and 2 or so with 9-7 seasons, but mostly they managed to win 6-8 games. What they did was find new ways to miss the playoffs, including losing the final game of the 2004 season when they lost to the Stillers' backups at home.
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RIP, Luigi.
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10 hours ago, Draconator said:
Think back to the 90s. Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, all players who juiced, and most of us were on the edge of our seats waiting for the bomb into the stands (or McCovey Cove) that was about to happen.
What if baseball allowed players to juice legally? There would be homerun battles year after year. Imagine Ohtani and Judge hitting 70 plus HR's a year, or more! Think baseball fans wouldn't go nuts over that?
Something to at least have some fun discussing.
I don't think that baseball making steroids "legal" would do much to make baseball more "relevant". I think it would raise all kinds of issues that could make things worse, especially giving the sport a deserved rap for rewarding players for taking potentially dangerous drugs with long-term health consequences.
I think the best way for MLB to regain "relevance" is to institute some kind of salary cap to increase competition as the NFL did. Wealthier owners/teams can buy their way to pennants and world championships because they can outbid less wealthy teams for FAs while teams without the ability or willingness to spend tons of money to bring in big time talent frequently become virtual farm teams for the big money teams: they find and develop young players but lose them when they become stars in their own right. Giving teams like the Brewers or Pirates or Padres real shots at winning the WS every once in a while because they have a similar talent level as the Dodgers or Yankees would really fuel interest in local teams and in MLB in general. Everybody loves a winner, and bandwagon fans are better than no fans.
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18 hours ago, Mister Defense said:
I thought it was really funny how several had Lamar Jackson ahead of Patrick Mahomes!
And I wondered: if they had to pick a quarterback to lead their own NFL team, would they actually make that awful move and pick what is clearly a much lesser QB over Mahomes?
Makes zero sense--choosing a QB who seems to be THE reason his team does not make it to the Super Bowl over a QB who seems to be a seminal reason his team has--and why they have won three of them.
I think some did that because they resent Mahomes for his success against the Bills in the playoffs, but I cannot imagine many sentient adults thinking Lamar Jackson is a better quarterback than Mahomes.
I think you are being unfair to Jackson, especially the last two years under Baltimore OC Monkon (sorry for the misspelling). The NFL playoff format adds a lot of factors into playoff success than simply QB play. Baltimore lost to the Bills in the Divisional round this past season because a great TE who is the epitome of reliability dropped a perfect pass in the EZ on a two point conversion. Manure happens.
IMO, Allen, Jackson,and Mahomes (in alpha order) could be put ranked 1-2-3 in any order based on posters' preferences. All three are elite passers and runners (for QBs) with great leadership and a willingness to do anything and everything to win games. All three have consistently demonstrated the ability to make lemonade out of whatever lemons they're handed. I think that the difference between Mahomes and Allen and Jackson in the playoffs comes down to the talent around them, coaching, and simple luck (as in a coin toss) which count for more against good teams in single elimination playoffs than simply the differences among the three QBs.
I rate Burrow a shade below the top three because he hasn't shown that he can raise the level of his teammates high enough to consistently win enough football games to make the playoffs. Because he's not as mobile as Allen, Jackson, and Mahomes, he's less likely to escape pass rushers, and that's led to significant injuries, especially since the Bengals haven't had a great OL in front of him.
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3 minutes ago, corta765 said:
This is pretty solid compared to some things people throw out. Honestly only change is maybe Tua 4-5 spots higher. I get we beat the crap out of Miami and he usually isn't great against us, but overall he is more in the Top 15 QB wise then not.
I agree. The Fins seem to be built to win fantasy league championships not NFL championships. They're all explosive passing game flash without enough solid underpinnings on the rest of the roster, so they look really great against poor teams but struggle against good ones.
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More interesting bird sightings in my yard this weekend:
- I think I have catbirds nesting in the arborvitaes that line the north side of my yard. Last week I heard one calling from my arborvitaes. Then Saturday I saw one in a lilac bush near the arborvitaes. Today I heard one several times. Gray catbirds have a distinctive call. It's supposed to sound like a cat (hence the name) but it sounds like a very sick cat or maybe a squirrel to me. Previous years, the catbirds only showed up when the choke cherries fruited.
- The bluejays have competition for the peanuts. Except for an occasional cardinal, they've pretty much had the peanuts to themselves. A few days ago, a hairy woodpecker was working on getting peanuts out of the feeder. I'm not sure if he liked the peanuts, but he's back to the sunflower seeds in the wire tube feeder. A grackle has also been visiting the peanut feeder. Unlike the jays who take the whole peanut and fly off to parts unknown, the grackle takes his peanuts over to the driveway and uses the hard surface to help crack the shells so he can eat right there in the driveway.
- I also spotted a red breasted woodpecker at the sunflower tube feeder.
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18 hours ago, colin said:
You and your friend seem to be pretty impressed with yourselves, but this is pretty well treaded ground. Economic scarcity and IP have had a lot written about them, and it is very different from communal property, and way way different than slavery.
You might want to read something on the topic.
What has this to do with what I posted? The poster I replied to originally implied that Americans in the past were more "moral" because they viewed theft as wrong. I simply pointed out that Americans -- and many other cultures historically -- didn't consider "theft" bad when they or their society benefited from it.
I'm not making any judgements about the morality of illegal streaming. A lot of things that are morally wrong are not illegal while other things that are not morally wrong are illegal.
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11 hours ago, Einstein said:
Well this thread took a very dark and completely unrelated turn.You complained that modern Americans were too accepting of theft via illegal streaming and that was a sign of some kind of societal decline. I just pointed out that earlier Americans -- and other societies -- not only tolerated but were willing to die to support some kinds of theft if it benefited them and/or their societies. It is simply part of human nature.
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On 6/12/2025 at 6:15 PM, Einstein said:
We are so screwed as a species.
People are not only immoral but they are also happy and make jokes about their immorality. Theft was once a social stigma - you were embarrassed by your actions. Not anymore. Now it is simply; "You have something I want, and I don't want to pay for it. That's good enough justification".Yikes.
Certain types of "theft" were entirely legal -- and socially acceptable to most Americans, too -- for the first 246 years of the country's existence as a collection of British colonies and as an independent republic. What else but "theft" (and kidnapping as well) can any rational person call the act of purchasing African captives from slave traders in Africa and bringing them to the Americas where they -- and their descendants -- were sold as chattels, ie property not as people. Chattel slavery was enshrined in the US Constitution from the very beginning when enslaved African Americans were counted as 3/5 of a person for determining Congressional representation. Chattel slavery only ended in 1865 with the passage of the 13th Amendment, although in parts of the South, African Americans were kept in virtual slavery for nearly another century.
Then there was the wholesale dispossession of indigenous Americans of virtually all their lands by the end of the 19th century ... theft on a massive scale that virtually all European Americans always considered a great thing. Theft of resources or territory in the name of community "good" has always been a part of human culture, be it the ancient Jews conquering Canaan or the Romans "civilizing" Britain or the Vikings plundering northern France.
Yikes.
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15 hours ago, FireChans said:
I didn't.
I was implying we are at a coaching disadvantage every January when we play the Chiefs which is why our defense is regularly awful in those games.
McDermott didn't have the same defense in the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs. Coaching can only go so far when the defense is limited by injuries (2023) and a lack of talent (2024), but continue pushing your agenda against him since you seem to need a convenient whipping boy. McDermott is going nowhere in the foreseeable future.
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On 6/7/2025 at 9:57 AM, Low Positive said:
He acts like most people don't already have subscriptions to most of those services. I already have Alta Fiber (cable), Netflix, Amazon Prime, Peacock, and ESPN+.The only thing I have to subscribe to is Sunday Ticket and I can get the student rate. Talking about the price of services that stream games as if the only reason that people subscribe to them is to watch football is like including the price of buying a car in your calculations of the costs to drive to Chicago. Sure, if I didn't have a car it would cost around $20,050 to drive there, but because I have the car for other purposes, the drive costs a tank of gas.
Exactly. The original tweet made a mountain of a mole hill.
- Since I live in the Bills' "territory", I get to see every Bills game via OTA stations without an antenna because I have cable.
- ESPN is included in my cable tier. My cable system (Spectrum) also offers NFL Red Zone on a sports tier which provides TD plays from every game live or within minutes for a monthly fee. I start it before the first week of the regular season and end the subscription when NFL Red Zone finishes for the season ... 5 months max.
- Several other services have monthly plans, including Netflix. Depending on the schedule, you might only need to subscribe for 2 or 3 months.
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I subscribe yearly to Peacock because it's so cheap, and I get to watch the Tour de France live.
- I use Amazon Prime's free shipping (and free returns) so often that my savings on shipping pay for the subscription.
Of course, someone intent on watching every NFL game live (I personally don't believe that's actually possible for a person to do) probably doesn't have many other interests.
Besides, it's physically impossible for a person to watch every minute of every single NFL game live even if the technology is there to do so. Even with split screens or multiple tvs, you can't divide your attention equally every minute to all the games, so you're going to miss something. NFL Red Zone (available from my cable company on s sports tier for about $10/month for 3 or 4 months max) works well, plus NFLN has replays of many games.
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I saw one of my ruby throat hummingbirds today. She was flitting around the solomon's seal near the front deck. Usually, the hummers don't show up until the hostas start blooming ... or maybe I just don't notice them because the solomon's seal in the backyard is pretty far from the house.
I've also had purple finches and goldfinches show up at my feeders this week as well as a beautiful female hairy woodpecker (hairy woodpeckers look like downey woodpeckers, only much bigger and with a different shaped beak). I think that this might be the same woodpecker that hung around my feeders most of the late summer and into the fall last year since hairies aren't nearly as common as downeys. She was probably a young bird last summer, and figured my neighborhood was a good place to raise a family.
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RIP, Loretta.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Bengals
Oops!!! I knew it was one of those Ohio teams!
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28 minutes ago, finn said:
Well, as with life in general, the hair-pulling and regrets do have the benefit of helping avoid similar mistakes in the future, at least supposedly. Maybe evolution selected for such a high-degree of guilt, bitterness and regret in our species because it takes that much to penetrate our thick skull to not make the same mistake twice. I assume Beane has an outcomes-assessment review in place where his staff considers why they made the mistakes they did, going back years. I'm sure it's more efficient than hundreds of pages of posts declaring how idiotic certain picks were. But, given the thick-skulls theory, maybe reading through the thorough roasting here is what it would take to persuade him not to draft players like Boogie Basham and Cody Ford.
In any even, go Keon! I really, really do not want to spend the next ten years despairing how we could have had Ladd or Xavier.
The draft is a crap shoot. First and second rounders bust all the time. How many TSW sages were convinced that Beane drafted the "Wrong Josh"? I missed out on being in that group only because I wanted a) Baker Mayfield or b) Lamar Jackson. Nobody really knows how these kids are going to turn out.
BTW, Cody Ford is still playing in the NFL. The Browns recently re-signed him for 2025 IIRC.
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9 hours ago, DJB said:
How is it any different from those that defend Beane and or the Coleman selection?
Nobody has started a thread defending Beane or Coleman and has refused to let this thread fade away.
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Will gambling ruin the NFL and sports in general?
in The Stadium Wall
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Horse racing in North America would not exist as a sport without on track pari-mutual betting, which has been legal since at least the 1930s in states like California, Florida, and New York. In the 1970s, New York State legalized off-track betting run by state approved regional betting companies. More recently, casinos, like Presque Isle Casino in Erie, PA, have partnered with horse racing tracks -- or have their own race tracks.
Actually, fixing horse races is very rare despite lots more races run than football games played. Most of the integrity issues involving racing -- usually trying to sneak performance enhancing drugs into horses -- results from individuals trying to get their own horses to win races rather than conspiring with gambling interests to get a specific horse to win in a specific race.