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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Ummmmmmm....These You?  👇

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I mean...you have said everything you are claiming you didn't say in these posts...and even in these last couple starting to contradict your previous 100% guarantees that he has had offers and had consider them. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I have contradicted nothing.

     

    I voted yes because everything is negotiable and everything has a price. Would any franchise want to pay the capital involved in wanting JA?....probably not, but you can't rule anything out. Would Beane do his due diligence and at least listen to a decent offer?......probably, but we all know the answer is no. A franchise is a business and they need to see all sides from all angles and consider every scenario for every situation.

     

    ........what is your actual point here cause so far, you've been talking out your ass all day and in fact, i would probably get more meaningful conversation from that.

     

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Lets recap:  

    1. You post a trade scenario for probably the most loved player in Western NY sports history.  
    2. A player that has averaged 5100 yards and 44 TD's and been a perennial MVP candidate for 4 straight years still in his prime on a discount compared to other top paid QB's in the league.
    3. Then you use compensation that is GROSSLY undervaluing him that has NO possibility of ever being considered by anyone within the Bills organization.
    4. Then you compound it by telling the doubters here that you "100% guaranteeing" that BOTH the offers have come in and that Beane HAS considered trading him because you know "business".

    So I am not sure what is worse...your original never gonna happen trade offer or that you thought this would go better around here lol

     

     

     

     

    1) I posted nothing about a trade scenario for anyone, let's get that straight. I simply said that if the right offer came along, you can't tell me Beane wouldn't consider it.

    2) JA is my favorite Bills player from any era

    3) i have zero idea what you're talking about on this point.......kind of feels like you're making this one up to validate your moot point that you have nothing else to add to this, so you just throw a point in there to make it look more official

    4) Wow.....you are a piece of work on this point, just making stuff up now. I said that Beane would consider an offer if the right deal came along for his due diligence. I'm sure he has probably heard offers over the past 6 years.

     

    Just making **** up to suit your own narratives.

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    35 minutes ago, SoTier said:

     

    I'm undecided if you're trolling or if you simply refuse to admit, even to yourself, that you've said/wrote/posted something really stupid, so you have to defend that indefensible position to the death.   Brandon Beane has better things to do than waste even a nanosecond on considering a trade offer for Josh Allen ... that's supposing that some other GM has wasted even a nanosecond thinking that the Bills would accept any offer for him.

     

     

     

    Nothing I've posted is stupid......it just depends on the mentality of the person reading it.

     

    Beane is obviously not sitting around contemplating trade offers for JA, but if the right trade was dumped in his lap, are you telling me he wouldn't even consider it?

    Are you saying that he would just hang up the phone without seeing what was offered?........or maybe it doesn't get even that far cause maybe he won't even answer the phone.

     

    I'm not saying that JA is or ever will be trade bait, but at the end of the day, every player at every position is expendable for a price.

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:


    You don’t seem to know the difference from someone calling to ask the impossible and Beane actually considering it.

     

    There has absolutely under no circumstance been even been one second of thought by Beane considering whether his answer should be yes or no.  The fact you delusionaly think you can “guarantee” it’s happened is maybe the most ludicrous thing I’ve seen written on the board this year.    
     

    Not only that, I highly doubt no team in the NFL has even attempted to approach the Bills about a trade for Josh Allen as everyone in the league already knows that not only is he 100% not available, to even begin to get the Bills to think for even 1 second before saying no, the offer would have to be so ludicrous that they couldn’t make that offer in the first place.  
     

    To say everyone had a price is such a lazy cop out and a false statement.  It takes TWO to make a deal…so it’s not just everyone has a price, there needs to be someone willing to pay that price, and I assure you there are 0 teams that would ever pay the price it would take for Beane to even think about it, let alone say yes.  
     

    So sorry, but I guarantee you’re categorically wrong about Beane having considered trading Josh Allen.

     

     

     

     

    1) It's a lazy and irresponsible response to even think that every single player in the NFL is untouchable, that every single player is above an offer or trade, that every single player is of god-like status to their franchise

     

    2) Maybe Beane has never considered trading JA, but he would if the right deal came along, i can assure you that

     

    3) Can you guarantee that no other team since 2018 hasn't called the Bills asking Beane if he has a price or trade value on JA?.....so you're telling me that Beane hasn't gotten even one phone call from 31 other teams about what it would take to let JA walk?........wow, just wow guy.

     

    4) Yes, it takes 2 to make a deal, however, that's if the deal is made.....it only takes one to offer the deal

     

    5) Would any franchise in their right minds want to offer the deal/money/trade capital for what it would take to get JA?.......probably not, but you know there's some fairly stupid franchises out there (i'm looking at you Browns, Jets, etc.) and stupid deals are done in this league all the time......nothing surprises me anymore, including a blind delusional fanbase with very little business insight.

     

    I have spoken.

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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    Fans don't ever want to admit this, but everything is negotiable, and everything has a price.

     

    You can't tell me that Beane already hasn't gotten 8-12 (and even that is probably low) trade scenarios across his desk for JA from other franchises and of course his answer will be no, but offers are considered every day, not every offer is acted upon.

    The FO will do their due diligence and consider every offer or trade, but that doesn't mean they will accept any........this, my friends, is business.

     

    JA is a Bill.....he isn't going anywhere.

    2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

    What makes this trade worse and inherently dumber, is that any future picks from Bears would be late round picks as hey would win too much with Allen.  So you’re not even getting good picks back.  
     

    Anyone who votes yes should have their account suspended until after the draft because the yes vote is that dumb 


    Wrong.  0% chance Beane has considered trading Josh Allen.  ZERO.  

     

     

     

     

    Wow, disillusioned.

     

    100% chance Beane has considered trading JA, if the right scenario comes across his desk.........that's business, son.

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    17 minutes ago, Gregg said:

     

    Who cares about what if scenarios. I know every team does their due diligence. Franchise QB's while still in their prime don't get moved. Sometimes they will go to another team near the end of their career. Rodgers to the Jets, Montana to the Chiefs, Manning to the Broncos are examples of that but not while they are still in their prime. Franchise QB's are hard to find. As I mentioned look at how long it took the Bills to find one once Kelly retired.

     

     

     

    And as fans who are on the outside looking in, you're right that we have the luxury of, who cares about "what if" scenarios. They mean nothing to us, as we don't really care about scenarios that will never come to fruition, however, not once did i ever say our FO was trading JA, nor the fact that any QB in their prime would ever be considered trade bait, so color me confused why you keep throwing that into every thread.......#confused.

     

    Comprehension is a hell of a thing, i suppose.

     

     

    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    8 minutes ago, MJS said:

    I wouldn't do it for anything. Do you know how difficult it is to get a top 3 QB? Guys like Josh Allen don't come around very often. I don't care how many 1st round picks you have. You are not likely to get a QB as good as him.

    I guarantee you they have NOT considered it. Because they aren't stupid. Beane said he would trade himself first. He knows that there is no chance of that happening.

     

     

     

     

    And i can guarantee that you are wrong.

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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    16 minutes ago, Gregg said:

     

    They are not trading Allen. That is insane. Name one franchise QB who was traded when he was in his prime. How many years went by since Kelly retired, and Allen was drafted. Franchise QB's are hard to find. Go ask Jets fans who haven't had one since Namath. The Bills have a lot of picks in this draft. Plus, their cap situation will be much better next year. Window #1 to win a Super Bowl with Allen has probably closed. But as I mentioned Allen will be 28 this year. Beane will rebuild/retool the roster to try and win a Super Bowl with Allen over the next few years. That is the reality of the Bills situation. I was kidding about the Chiefs trading Mahomes. That is about as believable as the Bills trading Allen.

     

     

     

     

     

    And yet again, oh so close, but it was a shoot and a miss........franchises are not going to trade their best asset, im sure we can agree on that, however, i can guarantee you that they have at least considered it. That is called Business 101, son......(i'll dumb it down a little here)....it's called asset vs. acquisition.

     

    Every team in the league has gone through the scenario of the "do the gains exceed the need". Every franchise has considered a trade of their best asset in terms of gain from the deal.......none ever do it, as it is franchise suicide, however, in order for them to do their due diligence, every possible scenario is on the table.

     

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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

     

    Then let KC trade Mahomes for that hypothetical trade package.

     

     

     

     

    Dude, this doesn't even make sense, but i'll humor you.........Mahomo is a multi-SB winning champion, they ain't letting him go at any cost.

     

    We've got the 2nd best QB in the league with very little team around him. If the opportunity comes up to build a whole roster through structural foundation, all on a rookie deal, you have to at least consider it......i guarantee you that our FO have done their due diligence and have at least thought about it......albeit, probably as just a passing glance, but i'm sure the notion has come up, as i'm sure it comes up with every franchise with a legit QB. Now, whether they ever act on it is another story.

    OJ Simpson dead at 76

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    58 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

    The phrase “not guilty” in a criminal trial is confusing and many don’t know what it actually means because those two words seems to indicate innocent.  It needs more context, specifically that you are required to assume the defendant is innocent unless the prosecution shows enough evidence to confirm they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.   In OJs case I think the jury decided reasonable doubt was that the police were raciat and could have planted the evidence.  The evidence was damning but they were able to show blood was missing or unaccounted for and it could have been used to plant evidence.  

     

     

     

     

    Recently, jurors have come out on record saying that the not guilty verdict in the OJ trial was a retaliation for the Rodney King incident.

     

    So what i'm saying, is that no matter whether the prosecution has satisfied it's "burden of proof", a jury (in any trial) will side with whatever agenda it perceives and anyone who doesn't see that or still believes in honest and fair trials are severely disillusioned.

    Honestly at the end of the day, jurors don't care about right or wrong, guilty or innocent......they know it's not them on trial and most just want to get the hell out of there as quick as possible knowing they are only earning $25 a day to do their civic duty.

     

    So, imagine putting your life in the hands of 12 people who don't know you, don't care about you, are only making $25 a day, have to sit in one spot for sometimes 8 hours a day and really don't care about whatever happens to you because they need to get that trial over quick to get back to their jobs to pay for their homes, their bills and they have to plan what they're going to make for dinner that evening for little Sally, etc.

     

    Being judged by a jury of our peers?.....a fair and honest legal system?.......no such thing.

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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    8 minutes ago, ddaryl said:



     

    Sweats

     

    Pine Barrens Mafia

     

    nedboy7

     

    KDIGGZ

    In other words the "I was so much more happier when we missed the playoffs for almost 2 decades" crew


     

     

     

     

     

    Hey, don't hate the player, hate the game.

     

    I think if the draft capital is good enough, you have to at least consider it and to disregard this notion, is irresponsible.

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    Epic, Hypothetical Trade Scenario: Would ya?

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    This is a tough one....on one hand, you have the 2nd best QB in the league, but on the other hand, there are some quality QB's in this draft.....unproven, yes, but every QB is unproven when coming out of college and playing their first season in the NFL.

     

    I voted yes, only because if you can get enough draft capital in the next 2 years, you could actually build something special. It seems we're just piecemealing a roster together the past couple of years, but if you can create a structured foundation, you can have a somewhat juggernaut for years to come.....all on a rookie salary.

     

    Would i want this to happen?......probably not, but i wouldn't be upset with it. 

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    OJ Simpson dead at 76

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    All i know is when that white Ford Bronco was involved in that low-speed chase with every cop in L.A. following him, that was some of the best television i have seen in years.

     

    In fact, i remember that me, my wife and my buddies were crowded around the t.v. just waiting for anything to happen. We drank beer all evening and ordered pizza and when the pizza guy showed up, he knew exactly what we were doing cause everyone in town was ordering pizza and glued to the television.

     

    I was really hoping for a shootout.....

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    The Draft is a Total Crapshoot (Per Science)

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    1 hour ago, finn said:

    That could just be the laws of probability at work. If every team just threw darts at their draft board, at least some would have good results.

     

    I've always thought the best draft strategy, at least for teams drafting high, would be to trade down incrementally for as many second-round picks as possible, and do the same from the other direction, trading up into the second round. End up with, say, six or seven second-round picks. The odds of hitting gold seem much higher than just two high picks. 

     

     

     

     

    That's how i have envisioned our FO making their picks in the draft.......either the dart board or the ole spin the wheel-o-chance.

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