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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

    Basically, and the ticket prices in the new stadium are roughly double what they are now for these same seats. I think that the face value of my seats now are about $300 a game. In the new stadium they are like $550 I think (plus the license fee). 

    I’m going to assume you’re correct, but the cost of seats in the current stadium isn’t really relevant. As I see it the PSL is way of hiding the actual ticket cost while at the same time getting a long term commitment upfront. A word to the wise: Your life is going to change drastically over the span of thirty years! Getting effectively married to a plastic seat with built in cup holders may not be the wisest commitment. 

    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    I have to admit that I don’t understand how all of this PSL stuff works. What exactly are you buying and how does it work? For example:

     

    Does the cost of the PSL include the cost of the game/event ticket? And if not, I assume the actual ticket prices will increase over time? 

     

    Does a PSL guarantee first right of refusal on ANY event held in the stadium?

     

    Is the PSL permanent or does it just cover a specific span of years? In other words, does it expire? 

     

    Is the PSL transferable to your family/heirs? 
     

    Does the PSL include a free parking pass? 

    Traditional vs. 'Modern Day' X Receiver

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    12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Good thread.

    I don't know how the pros look at WR but to me I see body size and route trees as the differentiator. 

    To me Samuel is closer to what Diggs was. 

    I think they still need to replace what Davis didn't pan out to be. A guy that can get deep and be a big body on deep crossing routes. They have enough small fast guys that can find holes in the zones. They need a guy that takes the top off the defense and forces them to play 2 deep safeties. That opens up all kinds of things underneath and helps the run game. 

    I more or less agree. See my breakdown a few posts back. To be a complete passing game you need a variety of receivers. Not on every single play, but in general skill sets, so as to keep the defense from taking everything away. 

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    Traditional vs. 'Modern Day' X Receiver

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    Regardless of what you call these guys, every team needs a variety of possession receivers who can separate quickly, with good hands to catch the contested balls that naturally come from shorter routes. (Diggs)
     

    Next, every team needs at least one guy who can stretch the defense deep (even if they rarely throw it to him). Someone who can keep the safeties from crowding the line. (Davis)

     

    Finally, every team needs a crafty possession receiver in the slot who’s not afraid to go over the middle for a few short yards when you absolutely have to move the chains. (Beasley)
     

    Do the Bills currently have all three? If so, who are they? And more importantly if they don’t who’s the rookie to fill the specific hole? 

    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    That’s what we have now but by the goal line (so significantly less). That’s where we are leaning but $20k each is steep. I was hoping if we gave up some yardage that would be $10k-$15k. I haven’t heard that though. Heat and covered are so important to us though that we may stretch.

    $40,000 for two seats out of the rain? Yikes!

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    5 minutes ago, Einstein said:


    Successful for the billionaire owner, yes.

     

    These multifaceted discussions are challenging in a chat room format. I’ve never said this is good or bad for the ‘billionaire’ and I’m definitely not anti-billionaire. My point has always been that is a terribly deceptive form of sales. There are lots of ways to sell products and services. This particular one is famous for being less than open about the true costs. I’m not a big fan of the tactic….and I don’t think it’s necessary to sell tickets for a historically beloved football team to a historically loyal fan base. 

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

     

    Yes you were an early adopter of that analogy. You saw what many others couldn’t, and some still can’t, likely because you work directly in architecture and understand what is normal and what is not. You were able to understand very quickly that what the Bills are doing is not normal.


    I think you pose an excellent question of whether price or presentation is the problem. While a fool and their money are soon parted, I do believe it is a mixture of price and presentation and roll-out. The team created no hype, released very little in the way of renderings, require a timeshare style presentation, and THEN expect people to pay thousands of dollars on top of it.

     

    It was a poor plan.

    Thanks but my analogy or perception had nothing to do with my architectural background. It came from sitting through more than a few timeshare presentations. This is a distinct style of marketing and generally not a well appreciated one. It’s known for deceptive pricing, long term commitments, high pressure appointment style meetings, and hidden additional fees. I have no idea why the Bills adopted this style. It’s not as if your typical Buffalonian is visiting Orchard Park on vacation. 

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    Impact Players and the case for doing whatever it takes at WR1

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    2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Oh I don’t disagree. At times Diggs, Poyer, Tre, Hyde and Oliver all were impact players. The point is now that’s gone (except Oliver) so they need more. This isn’t a draft where they need to add 10 bodies. The back of the roster is one of the better “back of the rosters” in the league. That (and Josh) are the reason that you can be a 2 seed with 1 of the top 101 players in football. This draft is about quality. Go get guys and overpay a little if needed.

    Yep, they are kind of stuck. All of the examples that I listed above have painted them into a bit of a corner. It'll surely be interesting to see what McBeane decide to do about it later this month. They could either swing for the fences or rely on a bunch of singles to push runs across. I'm guessing there'll be little doubt after the Draft.

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Einstein said:

     

    The marketing mistake the Bills have made in this shameful timeshare style sales process.

     

    I’ve dug into the history of the past 8 or so stadiums built, and as far as my research has lead me, no other teams have done this. It’s completely out of left field.

     

    They created no hype, spent zero time getting people excited, and then chose the absolute worst sales process imaginable, with the highest negative connotations. This is a textbook case of what NOT to do.

    The time-share analogy has been my premise from the time these 'appointments' were first announced. At that time people had no idea what the pricing would look like. Now that some of that pricing has been revealed I'm reading conflicting opinions on here as to whether it's the price or the style of presentation that is so off-putting. 

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    Impact Players and the case for doing whatever it takes at WR1

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    2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    I mean they aren’t as important as the NBA but the OP shows the impact players on past champs and on the best teams. The Bills had 1 player listed on PFFs top 101 players of the 2023 season. They need don’t need to have 9 of the top 101 players but they need to have 4ish. 

    The point remains. He’s been a star. He’s the most likely player (outside of Josh) to remain a star. That doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed but as of today, he is.

    My point is that it’s not for a lack of trying. They signed Von Miller and he got hurt. They re-signed Knox and he disappeared. They drafted an athletic freak at MLB and his performance was perpetually suspect. They waited for their #2 WR to live up to his ‘big game’ moniker and yet…he clearly never did. 

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    51 minutes ago, mrags said:

    They have raised their prices. I’d say 10% every other year for the last 8 years or so. 
     

    my first year in the clubs was last year but before that I was in the end zones and from what I remember the tickets when I started in 06 were around $440/ticket for the year. By the time I left last year I’m pretty sure they were close to double that. We’ve definitely seen price increases over the years. 
     

    imo, people are mostly angry about the PSLs. Now that I’ve looked into it more. They aren’t very bad. Even the 15-20k ones. For example, I pay approx 1k/seat now in PSL in the clubs. I just pay it every year with my season tickets, not all at once for the next 30 years. Really isn’t that terrible tho if you look at it like that. That’s where the 10 year payment plan works for most people. The interest isn’t terrible considering. Of course I don’t want to be forced to have to pay all 30 years up front. 

    Thanks for sharing the information. I am obviously not an expert on the stadium’s ticket pricing history. If what you’re saying is true then the team should have no problem filling the seats or getting their allotment of repeat season ticket holders. Of course if that’s true then there’s no need for this thread to be up to 40 plus pages. 😉

    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

    I agree. A new stadium with a new pricing structure was a necessary part of keeping the Bills in Buffalo. They also knew that such a pricing change would mean some customers would be effective priced out - or “ lost”. The goal actually was not to retain 100% of the previous customers- not realistically anyway. The expectation is that new customers ( willing / able to spend significantly more ) would replace any who were lost. If it were (for the sake of argument )a brand new building with the same pricing and seat total then 100% retention would be the goal. This of course would never happen in the real world. More expensive seating with less seats overall guarantees some old customers will need to be replaced. Again, all of this was necessary if the Bills were to remain here. Otherwise they’d have simply left for greener pastures- and more green $$ elsewhere. 

    The marketing mistake the Bills made was linking the new prices to the new stadium. They should’ve been raising prices throughout the years so the sticker shock wouldn’t have been so immediate. I’m was on the Board of an HOA a few years back and I would regularly advocate for raising the monthly dues to keep up with inflation. The majority of the Board wanted to delay things so they’d let the deficit pile up and hit all the residents with a significant increase every three or four years. That increase was predictably followed by a lot of teeth gnashing and ire cast at the Board for mismanagement. 

    Bass is no longer Bass-o-matic

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    Bass has what should be a very fixable problem. It’s not inconsistency or lack of power. He has developed a very predictable SLICE in his kicks. I cannot imagine that the kicking coach can’t fix that. If he can’t, they need a new coach AND a new kicker. 

    Beane's First-Round Deals

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    Just a few weeks ago the general consensus was that the Bills needed to use their picks to get younger and cheaper. I see nothing having changed. The draft is a total crap shoot. Stay where you are and the take the player you like best when you’re number comes up. 

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