BigDingus
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I'm glad the Bills didn't trade up, that's what I was most concerned about.
That being said, I wasn't too thrilled that we just said "eh, we don't need a 1st round pick anyway" and bowed out for next to nothing. But hey, that's secondary to not blowing your load to get to the top 10.
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10 minutes ago, appoo said:
Also Gabe Davis is better than any Chiefs WR other than Tyreke Hill
Lol in what way?
The same guy Bills fans couldn't wait to get off the team? The same guy who Bills fans said wasn't even good enough as a number 2? I guarantee Rice will be better in no time, if he isn't already. Completely blinded by homerism.
It also doesn't change my original point. "Lucky" or not, the Chiefs have a better track record with their WRs than us. At least they hit on one.
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6 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
KC doesn’t even have a good track record drafting WRs and everyone is losing their minds because we let them take a twig of a human that can move fast.
I don’t get it.
They got Tyreek Hill... and Rice will probably end up pretty good. What's Beane's track record?
Gabe Davis and maybe Shakir takes another step? Not like we're savants in that area.
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24 minutes ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:
Exciting. Maybe we can get another fourth rounder! and swap 7s.
Hopefully we can pickup some extra 6ths & 7th for the 2025 draft, since everyone knows that's where the real studs come out!
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31 minutes ago, beebe said:
Just helping out our daddy 😂
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It feels like we gained next to nothing for these trades... Hope we find some diamonds in the rough
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Just now, What a Tuel said:
Who says this guy is the next Tyreek hill? 🤣
His record-setting speed, paired with Andy Reid's offensive genius, combined with the best QB in the league.
Pretty good chance he blows up big.
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5 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:
It was beyond predictable that so many of you would act as if you all thought Xavier 160 lb Worthy was the next Randy Moss just as soon as KC picked him.
It's more the fact that Reid is much smarter than McDermott & will find a way to take advantage of that speed.
Paired with Mahomes, it's going to be one more guy the Bills helped the Chiefs get that can possibly hurt them. You're acting like Tyreek Hill's tenure on the Chiefs didn't teach us anything.
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Glad the Bills won't be forcing their way up now. Maybe they trade up a couple picks, but no crazy splash to the top 10.
Bears are going to be scary though. 2024 version of the Texans.
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Ouch... listening to Tom Grossi, and one of his members said "the draft is too slow.. if I wanted to watch 32 picks over 3 hours, I'd watch Josh Allen."
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3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
John Butler was a good GM and personnel evaluator both in Buffalo and SD. But he had a very bad 2000 draft, highlighted by terrible players in the first and second round. The Bills needed defensive help going into that draft, and the strong word beforehand was that the Bills absolutely loved Ahmad Plummer (CB, Ohio State) and Mike Brown (S, Nebraska). They also liked Deon Grant (S, Tennessee). Plummer went 24th overall and the Bills took Erik Flowers two picks later, at 26. Even though they had drafted Antoine Winfield in the first in 1999, Thomas Smith was gone after the 1999 season and they had no one else, really, beyond Winfield and Kenny Irvin (Punt Catcher Chris Watson was their third CB). In the second, they were desperate for a safety but stayed put and drafted a fifth round-caliber player at the 58th slot (because he's all who was left), Travares Tillman (S, Georgia Tech). They watched Mike Brown go at #39 overall and Grant at #57 overall, just before they picked Tillman (a desperation move, and Butler more or less admitted as much afterward).
Plummer had four very good seasons for SF but washed out after that because of injury, which was just bad luck. He was on a very good career trajectory and at least gave SF four good years, starting at CB right off the bat. Mike Brown played 10 seasons and was a two-time all pro for Chicago (although he had a bunch of injuries in his latter years). When healthy, he was elite. Deon Grant, despite missing his rookie season with an ACL tear, played for 11 more after that and started in over 160 games with 30 total INTs. The topper? His final game was the February 2012 SB vs NE, in which he started and had six tackles for a Giants defense that held an elite offense to only 17 points. Nice way to go out.
If the Bills had sold some assets (either 2000 or 2001 draft capital) to move up 23 and 56 (Minnesota had both 55 and 56 that year, so was presumably open to a slight trade-down to 58), that draft would have looked a whole lot different in retrospect. Maybe jumping ahead of Chicago for Mike Brown was undoable, but their later picks suggest to me that the capital would have been well spent on moving up (Corey Moore, Avion Black, Sammy Morris, Leif Larson, Drew Haddad, and Dashon Polk were the remaining picks). The thing is, Butler really did believe in those players they missed out on. Maybe Butler wasn't as aggressive as he should have been given that he was on his way out, but I doubt that -- he still wanted to field a winning team in 2000 (and to be fair, that team started out very well before injuries hit). In any event, the front office had the right instincts for the players they really wanted early on.
I think you can see where I'm going with this. Beane's MO is to not risk missing on his guy (assuming the player is within a reasonable distance) and this is the reason why. I'm not saying he HAS to move up at all; just saying that there is a potentially steep price one pays by sitting still and "letting the draft come to you." This is assuming, of course, that the player you want is someone you truly believe in, but that should be a given in any trade-up.
Anyway, food for thought.
But then you'd have to look at who else they could've drafted in that spot (instead of purely based on position) and factor in the picks they hypothetically trade away (and who was available at those spots in the following draft).
In other words, was there anyone else they could've selected if they took BPA, and what about the 2001 draft & who was available for the picks they could've traded away for the 2001 draft?
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
My own rule is that major trade ups in the first round are prudent only for a QB - no other position is worth the draft capital it costs.
I agree, unless we're talking a small trade up just a handful of places.
But definitely not worth the cost to jump from the end of the Draft all the way up into the top 10.
The more I read about how the draft pick value chart came to be, the more broken it seems. It was meant as a snapshot reflecting trades up until that point. But despite how much has changed, teams strated treating it as gospel.
This makes things so much more lopsided in favor of teams that trade back than those trading up. If it's for a QB, it's at least understandable.
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Yeah... good luck getting that trade. Ownership isn't going to care.
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I'm getting more & more stressed hoping we don't trade up... at least not into the top 10.
Hoping this is just a smoke screen. I genuinely don't think it's necessary to trade away multiple years worth of high draft picks for a single player (and a non-QB at that).
We traded away our best WR, still under contract, and ate $30 million in dead cap... With all the leadership & other players we lost, I don't think it's reasonable to expect a significant improvement this season.
With that in mind, we shouldn't be in a rush to give up so much for one guy in this year's draft. Aside from the usual risk of a pick not panning out, maybe they'll also want out after 4 years, get injured, or any number of things. That would suck for any team, but it'd be exponentially worse if you spent multiple 1st & 2nd round picks, possibly more, to get them.
Now if they're moving up a few spaces, that's completely different. I'm talking about reaching for the top 10. Then again, I'll end up rooting for them regardless, so I'll just have to chill out & hope it all works out 😅
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Just shows the draft really is a crapshoot, because I'm sure the hits jump up once you get into the 2nd & later rounds.
While many of those late 1st round picks were failures, you have teams finding Nacua, Diggs & Hill much later.
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So they rank us the 6th best team in the AFC.
Hey, still good enough to make the playoffs.
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I'm not athletic enough to be a player, I'm not smart enough in the X's & O's to coach, so I guess I'm left with Front Office.
If Doug Whaley can do it, surely I can too!
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Keep in mind that Dorsey's first season we went 13-3 & were in control of the 1 seed up until the Bengals game being cancelled.
Everyone expected the offense to only get better with a year of experience under his belt, adding Dalton Kincaid, and James Cook developing. Instead, the offense was the biggest problem most of the year, the team turned the ball over constantly, and we were chasing the Dolphins until the last game of the season.
Now we'll be going into next season having lost our #1 & #2 WRs, a ton of leadership on both sides of the ball, and still don't know what we'll be getting from Joe Brady.
Always remember - ALL teams are adding pieces, not just the Bills. I'm sure Dolphins fans are thinking "if we can find a way to win just ONE more game..." as that would've been enough for them to have finished with the 2 seed. Jets are going for a do-over, expecting Rodgers to actually be around this time.
Burrow will be healthy again, the Chiefs won a SB with their worst offensive unit yet & will only get better, and the Texans are on everyone's radar now like the Bills were after 2020. It's not impossible that we get better, but it'll be tough to win more regular season games.
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14 minutes ago, DaVinci said:
Here is a good article relating to the Green Bay packers ownership and how it fostered rule changes.
I think it's pretty clear why the NFL changed the rules.
If local community owns the team, there's no way to leverage the team against the city for cushy tax breaks, stadium funding, or the threat of relocating.
Better to have a billionaire owner or ownership group who can say "we'll move to San Antonio if you don't give us $2 billion for a new stadium!" Fans just want the team to stay put, so there's a huge limit placed on future growth.
If Green Bay's population & surrounding areas never grow, the team is still staying put. The NFL can't pressure them into a new stadium, and fans are content having a team to root for.
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It may have already been posted, but here's a great article from ESPN on why it's almost never a good idea to trade up, especially not from our position all the way into the top 10 - https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39964243/nfl-draft-seven-cliches-trading-why-flawed-process
It actually discusses the Bills a couple times, once regarding trading up for Allen, and once for Watkins. But the point wasn't to criticize moves made to help these teams, only to show that trading up is almost never worth all that it takes to give up using the Johnson point chart (written in the 90's as a reflection of the market back then, not at all meant to be an official guideline forever).
"In terms of total Approximate Value accumulated through the 2022 season, 85 of those deals were "won" by the trade-down team, 49 were "won" by the trade-up team and six were a tie."
Considering how much the Chiefs had to give up just to move from 29th to 21st using that outdated chart, it would take a huge investment of multiple years worth draft capital for the Bills to make a huge splash like some fans want. Even if they snag a star player, chances are we'd be better off saving those picks & grabbing many more players that can contribute over those next few years.
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So do I get to choose what 25% I own?
I'll take 25% of the suites & club seats, the QB position, the DBs coach, the 17 yard line to the 42 yard line (south endzone), at least 2 concession booths, 25% of each pee trough, the entire parking lot, and I get full control of all round 3 & 4 draft picks for life.
Oh, and only I can make Doug Marrone jokes.
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Not a video headline I expected to see... but hey, he's always loved Josh Allen 😅
The rumor is more focused on Dallas, but for some reason the Bills came up as the next best option for him.
1) Revenge on Kraft
2) Having Josh Allen
3) Knowing how to beat Mahomes
Nick Wright wants him to go to the Jets though. If McDermott gets fired, would you guys be open to this?
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It would take 3 years worth of 1st & 2nd round picks, plus additional compensation. The Bills went 20 years without a franchise QB, so it would be absolute insanity to willingly give one up.
But if you had 3 straight years of multiple 1st & 2nd round picks (along with everything else), you'd at least have a good chance of getting another. Only question would be "was it worth jumping through all those hoops when you already had a guy?"
If it took multiple years to find the replacement, then probably not. Those picks would've likely been wasted.
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So day 1 was a bust
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What are you talking about? We got to move around some 5ths & 7ths, and even got a 3rd rounder that we could parlay into a couple 6ths if we wanted!
Yall are smoking crack!