ChiGoose

The laws around this are very clear. They aren’t perfect, but they are clear.

Russia’s mass abduction of Ukrainian children may qualify as genocide “The available evidence indicates that Russian efforts to indoctrinate abducted Ukrainian children are both systematic and extensive. A February 2023 reportpublished by the Yale School of Public Health identified a large-scale Russian initiative to re-educate thousands of abducted Ukrainian children via a network of more than 40 camps and facilities stretching from Russian-occupied Crimea to Siberia. “This is not one rogue camp, this is not one rogue mayor or governor,” said Yale Humanitarian Research Lab executive director Nathaniel Raymond. “This is a massive logistical undertaking that does not happen by accident.” In mid-July 2023, the UK imposed sanctions on a number of Russians tied to the abduction of Ukrainian children. British officials said the deportations were designed to “erase Ukrainian cultural and national identity” via the relocation of Ukrainian children to a network of re-education camps. “In his chilling program of forced child deportation, and the hate-filled propaganda spewed by his lackeys, we see Putin’s true intention: to wipe Ukraine from the map,” commented British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly. It is not known how many children are involved in Russia’s abduction program. Ukrainian officials say they have identified almost 20,000 victims, but some fear the true total number may be far higher. Efforts to rescue Ukrainian children taken to Russia are now gaining momentum, but so far only a few hundred have been returned to Ukraine. Many have provided first-hand accounts of indoctrination efforts including daily recitals of the Russian national anthem and punishments for expressions of Ukrainian patriotism.”

Something I find very telling is that even for things that are settled and well known, some people want to make up conspiracies that fit their narratives. The actually, true, and factual explanation as to why those emails were deleted is not a mystery. We know how it happened. And when you look at the fact pattern, you’d understand why it wasn’t charged and even why Hillary herself would be unhappy with it. But that doesn’t fit the narrative, so who cares about facts? It is frankly ridiculous that the constant barrage of lies and insinuations from bad faith actors on the right means that we have to defend people as unappealing as Hillary. I never voted for her but if you’re going to criticize her, maybe do it for something she actually did.

Remember that the charges do not require the documents to be classified. Even if he declassified them, he’s guilty. His fate was sealed when he had someone secretly take documents from the storage closet and told his lawyer everything was in there. If he had just given everything back, he wouldn’t be facing charges.

The thing that I love about this is that these really aren’t in dispute. Even Durham found that the Steele Dossier wasn’t the predicate for the Russia investigation. Bunch of people in here running around screaming the equivalent of the earth is flat.

That when you have unverified claims, you shouldn’t rush to believe them just because you want them to be true.

The reason that so many people are skeptical of the Biden corruption claims is because they are built on the testimony of people who believe this already debunked crap. Very little in here bears a semblance to reality, but I guess if you try hard enough, you can convince yourself anything is true. 1. The Mueller investigation was not predicated on the Steele Dossier 2. POTUS is not involved with FISA warrants 3. The Mueller investigation resulted in charges against over 30 people and multiple companies with several people being found guilty of crimes 4. The Mueller investigation found that Trump himself had met the elements of obstruction of justice 5. Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin at the behest of the President of the United States with the full support of our allies specifically because Shokin was *not* fighting corruption. But yeah, the Steele Dossier was crap. So I guess you went 1 for 6. Nice job.

Is the goal here to ensure a Dem trifecta in 2024? Do you all actually believe the average voter is going to side with the GOP on this? When was the last time you touched grass? This is just pure brain worms from the Very Online crowd and would be a huge win for the Dems. So go on ahead with this nonsense, we applaud you!

In terms of the walls closing in, it’s not just the prosecutors who are after Trump, there’s a good chance that Ronald McDonald ends up being the one who does him in.

That you think any of this is legit. It’s all brain worms from being Very Online. Do they have any hard evidence of a payment to Joe Biden himself? Or still just random people talking with no consequences for lying? Did they subpoena his bank records? Or is old dementia dead Joe so dastardly wily and smart that he made it impossible to trace any payment? We’re just dealing with straight unadulterated copium here. I would absolutely love it if the GOP impeached Biden for this nonsense. It’d be the easiest way to ensure Speaker Jeffries is gaveling in the next House.

Man, I gotta try whatever it is that you’re smoking.

Poor guy. You went almost an entire day without thinking about me. But I suppose that in those quiet moments when nobody in your family would talk to you because they all find you insufferable, you thought of me and, while reaching down your pants with one hand, you typed out whatever this nonsense this is with the other. Happy belated pride to my biggest fan!!!!🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🥰🥰🥰🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

Little early in the day to be so high, isn’t it? Or are just truly this stupid and pathetic? Go touch some grass, moron.

There’s certainly an argument for incitement. And if it wasn’t the President of the United States, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was charged. So while I remain skeptical that Trump will actually be charged with incitement, here is what the argument would look like: 1. Trump’s team claimed that they won the election despite reality. 2. Trump’s team hired consultants to find election fraud but they could not find evidence that he had won 3. Trump was told that he lost by his advisors 4. Trump pushed the idiotic theory that the VP can decide an election 5. Pence proved that he has like two brain cells to rub together and the idea that the VP decides elections is stupid as hell. 6. Upon learning this, Trump tells his followers to come out because it “will be wild” 7. When Pence does his actual job, Trump tweets that he failed and the terrorists decide that they want to hang Pence and sack the Capitol. 8. During the terrorist attack on the Capitol, the only person who potentially has the power to stop it is Trump and he refuses to do so for hours. So the proposed case is that Trump fomented a situation to create violence in the hopes that the violence would end to his benefit. It’s probably factually true but fairly difficult to prove in a court of law. It is definitely not a slam dunk. The documents case is the definition of a slam dunk. Incitement is a very different story.

My god man, do you have a life? I know it’s a rhetorical question at this point, but why are you spending so much time bragging about how much of a loser you are?

Right, when the Steele Dossier came out, it was a collection of accusations that needed to be investigated before taken as true. But it was juicy and anti-Trump so a lot of people believed it anyway. We’re at that stage now with these Biden claims. People inclined to dislike Biden are taking the claims as true. The Steele Dossier fell apart when it was investigated. Will the Biden bribery claims? I don’t know. It certainly seems like something worth investigating but I feel like the congressional investigation is going to be more about hurting Biden than actually finding the truth. Politicians do shady stuff all the time to enrich themselves so it’s not out of the realm of possibility here. I’m just not going to trust the word of a single guy who’s being promoted by people with a history of lying and misinformation. I’d prefer actual hard evidence before believing Joe Biden was personally involved.

Yes, it has been. But when it was made public, a lot of people believed it was true because they didn’t understand it was raw intelligence and not vetted for truth.

Me: both the Steele Dossier and the Biden claims are unproven claims that shouldn’t be taken as fact until they are properly investigated. The literal dumbest person on the internet: you believed the pee tape Honest to god, I’d be embarrassed if this moron was on my side. Like, just an absolutely illiterate mouth breather.

I’m looking at the evidence we know and drawing the simplest conclusion: Hunter Biden was trading on his name and some people wanted to use him to influence his dad. Was his dad involved? So far, the people pushing that narrative only have that one guy said he bribed two Biden’s. Hardly convincing. They also grossly misunderstand the Shokin situation or are lying about it. So yeah, I’m not likely to jump to a conclusion based purely on conjecture from people who are untrustworthy.

I’m just looking at the evidence, buddy. Do you think $17 million is a lot of money to people who want influence in the US? It’s nothing. It’s absolutely worth it to throw at somebody in the hopes that it pans out. Hunter is a crappy guy drug addict who was trading on his last name. But if Joe himself was involved, you need to prove it.

I am going with: the crackhead son of the VP is an easy target for foreign actors but I’m not going to assume that Joe was personally involved until I’m shown that Joe was personally involved. You’re giving too much credit to Hunter and not enough to the people with the real money. It would be bad! And he should face consequences if he was!

Absolutely. But I’m not going to believe that on the testimony of one guy saying he bribed two Biden’s. Show me where Joe himself was actually involved. Hard evidence.

I’m sure people thought he had influence over his dad. If you’re sitting on a giant pile of money and have the opportunity to pull the son of the VP into your fold, it makes a lot of sense to throw some money at him to see what you could get. I love this argument so much. It’s just so dumb. It requires you to believe that people can see into the future. This is like sitting there in 2016 and saying “are we sure we fired Doug Marrone because he sucked? We fired him and we still suck. Maybe there’s another reason…” The entire Western world wanted Shokin fired because he was corrupt. Firing him, however, doesn’t immediately end corruption. While Ukraine has made progress on combating corruption, it’s long history of corruption is one of its biggest impediments to fully joining the west. And for some reason, this is incredibly difficult for some people to grasp.

My position is that I need more than a statement from one random guy saying he bribed “two Biden’s” to believe that Joe Biden took a bribe. You know, something actually showing that Joe Biden actually took a bribe. That whole thing called “evidence”. Maybe subpoena his financial records and see if there’s something there. Until then, this is a random person saying something with no evidence to back it. Just like the Steele Dossier you all rightfully called out.