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    Morse Released

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    Posted · Edited by Matt_In_NH

    Love Morse but this is in the best interest of the Bills for years to come, not just Morse, Harty, Poyer, White....this is what they needed to do.  So glad Beane did not try kicking the can down the road again.

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    Sean Pay(A)Ton - Spends A Ton in Denver vs Sean Clappy McD in Bills Blue .

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    7 minutes ago, T master said:
    3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

    I thought Mickey Loomis was the GM in NO and George Paton is t he GM in Denver?   Sure  Payton had something to do with the over spending NO did but it is too early to say one way or the other what will happen in Denver.  The fact he moved on from Wilson shows he has balls, the easy thing is just stay the coarse, Wilson played better last year under Payton.  He has a vision and is pushing the team towards that vision.  I don't love Payton though and would not want him instead of McDermott but I think a lot of what is in the OP is just looking to blame Payton for lots of things that were not in his control or at least partly not in his control.

     

    I agree but the HC has something to say about what player the HC wants them to get on the roster don't they ? Maybe the end all be all as far as the contracts go isn't his fault for signing them but he must have had some say in it and left which may have been part of his reason of leaving .

    Yes he plays a role so we agree but the GM approves the contract financials, guarantees, years etc.

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    Sean Pay(A)Ton - Spends A Ton in Denver vs Sean Clappy McD in Bills Blue .

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    I thought Mickey Loomis was the GM in NO and George Paton is t he GM in Denver?   Sure  Payton had something to do with the over spending NO did but it is too early to say one way or the other what will happen in Denver.  The fact he moved on from Wilson shows he has balls, the easy thing is just stay the coarse, Wilson played better last year under Payton.  He has a vision and is pushing the team towards that vision.  I don't love Payton though and would not want him instead of McDermott but I think a lot of what is in the OP is just looking to blame Payton for lots of things that were not in his control or at least partly not in his control.

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    Bills Cap Status - Approx $4.25 under cap 4/03/2024 (added roster change summary)

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    1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

    Cover1/Locked On Bills speculates next year will be the ‘just eat it’ year where they don’t restructure his contract. Apparently we already have a good amount of cap room in 2025 with a relatively low amount of FAs. 

    He wont be on the team, he will have no dead cap or anything?  The Bills do not have a good amount of cap in 2025, the Bills are 29th with 27 mil in space but that is before they push a ton of money from this year to next year, that will be negative by the time they are done.

     

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2025/

     

    Dion Dawkins Value - Extend or Trade?

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    1 hour ago, Billl said:

    Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

     

    The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

    Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

     

    The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

    You are repeating yourself and also redundant :)

     

    I am not advocating for the trade, just saying there should be a price you would be willing to make a move.  You could easily be correct on what someone is willing to pay and I would not trade him for a late 3rd.  Beane should investigate all options if someone was interested in him.

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    Ryan Bates traded

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    So this gets you a 5th this year and helps the cap next year, it is kind of a cap neutral move for 2024....saves 1.44M but that has to be replaced so saves a little but the real savings is next year.

    Dion Dawkins Value - Extend or Trade?

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    3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

    Well considering someone thought Ryan Bates and his 35 snaps was worth more than a 5th, I’m thinking multiple 1st rounders 

    I dont agree but I would do that deal.  

    2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

     

    Dawkins is better than a "solid" LT, and his "running his mouth" is maybe a 5 on a scale of trash talk.  Trade away a starting LT because he "runs his mouth"?????  Seriously?   :doh:  :doh:  :doh:  :doh:  :doh:    

     

    The Bills have real things to fix, but LT is NOT one of them thanks to having Dawkins.   Extend/restructure is a no-brainer.  You don't fix what's not broke.


    the cap situation is kind of broken.   
     

    what logic did the chiefs use when they traded hill.  They fixed wr when it was not broke and it has worked out ok.  Not saying I think this is a great idea but you should listen to trades if teams are willing that don’t involve Josh Allen. 

    Dion Dawkins Value - Extend or Trade?

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    Someone like Dawkins should have a price beane is willing to part with him for.  Can you get a late first or second round pick you could replace him with on a cost controlled contract?   Risky?  Sure but at some point you cannot keep extending and doing salary to bonus conversions.   I think it is highly unlikely but for the right price sure I’d do it.  

    Ryan Bates traded

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    30 minutes ago, eball said:

    Haven’t read through the entire thread, but I imagine the reason they couldn’t get more than a 5th is because by trading Bates they discard the entire cap hit rather than having dead cap if they released him?  That’s a nearly 5M savings.

    Huh?

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