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13 hours ago, Einstein said:
That comparison makes no sense.
My money pays to see the movie that I chose. I didn’t pay for the building and then pay for the movie on top of it.
your money pays for all operational cost of the theater. Movie building operation ins labor etc etc.... It is part of the ticket price. I managed a theatre for years and was involved in all.
13 hours ago, Einstein said:PSL’s only go the stadium. That’s why they exist. They were invented to pay for stadium building. They do not go into owners pockets.
PSL's are the property of the entity who negotiates the ownership of the PSL monies. Usually, the owners own the PSL revenue, like Pegs owns this upcoming PSL monies per negotiations. Oakland the team also owned the PSL money and kept it. Then the timeline of PSL ownership expired and fans had to pony up again. Ravens owners kept all the PSL money for their new stadium when they moved from Cleveland. Rams and Chargers PSL money goes directly to Rams owner Kroenke and after 30 years it is all paid back to PSL owners without interest. It is assumed Kroenke puts it into the stadium build cost but that is up to him. His RE deals around the stadium is paying for the stadium so he does not need to put the PSL money in. It is his money. Kroenke also owns the stadium w 100% private financing, so PSL is all his money regardless of what he does with it. The list goes on.
13 hours ago, Einstein said:Nope. That is NYS tax money. If it didn’t go toward the stadium, it would be earmarked for something else. The fact that it’s going toward the stadium means that taxpayers are paying for the full amount of whatever that Seneca money would have went to. Either way, taxpayers pay for it.
Yes if Seneca money does not go to stadium it will go to NYC for some other project. Yes taxpayers have paid it but state compact recouped it for taxpayers. recouping some of the gambling losses mostly paid by WNY gamblers. Best use is to spend it in WNY. win win after a lot gambling loss loss.
but my 50%+ est of Pegs paying counts this casino money as taxpayer contribution and nulls your point.
13 hours ago, Einstein said:Pegs will end up paying around 10-15% of the total cost out of pocket.
here are the hard numbers you did not follow properly: Hochul announced a stadium agreement in March: of the $1.4bn, Erie County will contribute $250m, the NFL and Bills $550m and New York state will provide $600m.(from old Seneca nations payments recently litigated)That totals $850m. Pegs contribution to start is 300 mill w additional 250 mill from NFL(which is Pegs money too and only comes due to Bills paying into stadium fund for decades and another use it ot lose it deal) and 50 mill pegs must pay for Highmark demo.(which likely will cost more and Pegs must pay) Total 600 mill.+ Pegs also responsible for all cost overruns so he will pay over 50% of total when it is done. County already stated their contribution will not raise property taxes or any services taxes. State money coming from Seneca that would otherwise be spent in NYC not WNY. This is a big win for WNY, Buffalo, Orchard Park, Erie County, all residents, taxpayers, Seneca gambling losers, NFL, Bills, and Pegs.
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
I don't think Pegula gets over 15% of the cost. The majority of Tpegs contribution is coming from an NFL loan that will be paid back by PSL's (so not actually Pegula's money).
Fans will pay for the taxpayer portion, and the PSL portion.
It's a taxpayer stadium, we just dont have no say in what it looks like. Odd how that works.
it is Pegs money. Any PSL belongs to Pegs. They are contributing it to the stadium. Pegs are contributing large sum off the bat plus paying 50 mill for demo of old Highmark. Plus responsible for all cost overruns. Plus money NFL is putting in was paid in by all teams including Bills over the years. A use it or lose it scenario.
If you want to play allocation game with NFL money then we will also with Senneca Nations casino money that is footing all of the state contribution. Another use it or lose it to NYC scenario.
bottom line is Pegs is responsible for over 50% of cost when all is said and done. Not as bad a deal as some want to make it out to be. Lucas Oil and Chicgao was all tax funded. TN new digs well over 50% tax funded. Similar to Vegas too.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/22/taxpayers-are-paying-billions-for-nfl-stadiums-heres-how.html
for the record i am in favor of no tax subsidies for stadiums or private business building. But efforts to pass those have failed. Until it is stopped for all private entities like walmart superstores, civic center, arenas, tif districts, strip malls, theatres, etc etc... it is discrimination to deny Pro sports a piece of the pie.
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7 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
And yet, the taxpaying non-fans and fans pay for the business expenses of the team owner.
Funny how none of that will come back to the people that paid for it.
Not to open an old debate, ... Just sayin'. For whatever the price more, Pegula could do whatever he wanted. He had enough to throw around for a yacht that cost nearly $100M plus annual operating costs, but what, couldn't have put that money towards his own business expense? Asking for a friend. LOL
It is what it all is, but the one thing missing from this entire shebang is very significant investment by the owner of the business whose business expense it is.
As you said, the team will triple in value over so many decades, and he (or whomever the owner is at that time, Jessica?) will realize that profit, while those that paid for it won't realize any financial ROI whatsoever.
If Pegula had wanted characteristics that are not there, he easily could have asked for and paid for them himself in what we understand is already the biggest publicly funded pro sports stadium in history.
it is not the biggest publicly funded stadium ever and Pegula will pay over 50% when all is done.
and value of franchise going up does nothing for the yearly bottom line. Think of your house if you are an owner. If it goes up in value you get nothing unless you sell it. Pegs probably never selling in his lifetime so will never get that benefit. Just like Ralph got zilch. If he does sell, capital gains will take a big chunk. Meanwhile just like a house that rises in value the insurance, upkeep, liability ins., salaries, legal, operational costs, and taxes go up and up.
but yes he should have contributed a bit more to get a roof and give Bills fans best chance at ever seeing a SB winning team. This non roof stadium will haunt the Bills for decades. They play like crap in crap weather.
2 hours ago, Einstein said:Inflation has risen about 20%. Throw in another 20% for NYS and you have $1.4B ... our budget.
throw in cost increases as it won't be done until 2026 and it will go over. Which Pegs must pay any overruns.
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i would franchise Lamar if deal can not be worked out.
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On 2/26/2023 at 8:07 AM, Nextmanup said:
All that glass looks stunning in a concept rendering.
It'll look like dirty garbage in about 3 weeks of WNY weather.
I hope they plan on hiring a lot of window washers.
they make glass now that is effectively self cleaning. So don't worry.
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32 minutes ago, SCBills said:
The core of this team has failed 3 years in a row.
As far as I'm concerned, the only immovable piece is Josh Allen.
If someone wants to give us RD1 pick for Diggs. Fine by me. Just, for the love of God, get Josh Allen a legit OL. If he has time, he will torch any defense, provided we reset the weaponry with a couple high picks and a vet WR.
I can't say I necessarily hate the idea of spending his money on OL in FA, bringing in OBJ and then double dipping early on say... Jordan Addison and Smith-Njigba or Jalin Hyatt.
he comes with big cap hit if they move him and that lessens ablity to get Oline help for Allen
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On 2/16/2023 at 9:25 PM, PromoTheRobot said:
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/afc_notes_jordan_poyer_bills_jets_patriots/s1_17039_38478957
"Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post writes that Bills S Jordan Poyer is a candidate to be franchise-tagged by the team this offseason. The tag would be $14.46 million and give Buffalo until mid-July to work on an extension for the veteran Poyer, who turns 32 in April."
Does this make any sense?
no makes no sense. Bills would need to clear cap space for that 14.46 million and Poyer then holds the cards. He could threaten to sign it and lock in that Bills cap hit for one year at 14.46 mill or hold out for deal to his liking while Bills nervously wait to see what he does and hamstring them on other moves as this ties up much needed cap space to get better where more needed. Like O line.
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7 hours ago, GolfandBills said:
Were you seeing this at? Everything I’ve seen says the team takes on full contract terms with a trade.
No. The sign bonus already paid comes due immediately for the Bucs then the remainder of the contract is responsibility of the new team.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/mike-evans-14416/
he has a base of 14 mill and a roster bonus of 1.5 mill for 2023. Bills would be responsible for that but can work out restructure/extension and lower that considerably.
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10 hours ago, HT02 said:
Terry Pegula asks you're advice on one thing he can do to get the Bills to the next level what's your one choice?
change philosophy on D
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6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
Word on the street is they offered him 250 mil with 150 mil of that guaranteed but he wants 250 mil guaranteed and will not move off that number, literally 100 mil cash difference! You would have to find a team willing to pay that plus willing to go all in with draft assets and then also willing to run that college style offense. People in Baltimore are going to riot if they trade him. No number of draft picks will be enough and how much could they possibly get for a player on a franchise tag that doesn't want to play for that team? Maybe 2 1sts and like a 4th? What are you going to do with that? There is no "next Lamar Jackson" coming out of college.
he is basically asking for Deshaun Watson money. I don't blame him.
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On 2/8/2023 at 1:49 PM, Billz4ever said:
We don't really have an OLB.
We run a 4-2-5 base and Edmunds and MIlano both usually line up directly behind the D-Line.
yeah, the nickel d is supposed to be a situational D but Bills run it all the time and it is a fail in games that matter.
need to not use it as a base D
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16 minutes ago, cba fan said:
i would sign tremaine at 44 mill and try him outside
not outside in the snow...all Bills D and O fails in bad weather.
OLB or even an End in 3-4 if that change is ever made. I doubt it will, but just covering my idea.
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i would sign tremaine at 44 mill and try him outside
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On 2/7/2023 at 7:15 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:
I still don't see why the fifth round pick has to be from Arizona. And does that apply to the pick's school, or state of residence? 🤔🤨
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😁 I know...New England gets a conditional draft pick because I asked...i believe when you do a trade with conditional picks that depends on player performance or other factor on new team, the conditional pick must be your *original pick.
i guess other team might want to try and make the conditional pick a conditional conditional pick. By putting in language in the trade that the conditional pick must be the highest pick in the round in question. But then team with two picks would just trade that higher pick to some other team to get assests to get better value if the player performance or other factor would kick in to claim that higher pick.
It seems every *conditional pick is the team's original pick.
On 2/7/2023 at 7:11 AM, dave mcbride said:Hines’ playing time/production exacted a fifth round pick rather than a sixth from the Bills. The Bills have six picks in total now - one each in rounds one through six. Definitely not great for an important draft year. The picks are all late-round ones except for the fifth rounder, which is from AZ. I have to think they’ll try desperately to trade out of the late first for more picks unless a player they love at either WR or OL falls to them.
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what kinda week ass contract incentive would have Hines so little playing time Q for a higher pick? Stupid to agree to this by Beane.
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1 hour ago, khlax3 said:
The bills will only need 2-2.5 million to sign their rookies. They currently have picks in the following rounds with the following cap hits below. That totals around 6.7 million however each one of those 6 picks will knock off a bottom level contract from the roster which would wipe out about 4.5 million of the 6.7 above.
1st round- $2.3 million cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $1.55 M
2nd round- $1.1 million cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $355k
3rd round- $950k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $205k
4th round- $850k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $105k
5th round- $745k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $0k
5th round- $745k cap hit (minus 745k min player) = $0k
ty that is interesting, as many forget, as did i, that signing a draftee knocks a contract off the back end of roster.
for those same reasons cutting someone at 2 mill salary does not save much as his replacement could be over half that number or more even anyway. Of course, signing a vet gives a vet reduction in sal cap hit that NFL implemented years ago as mid level vets were getting cut for draftees and not for skill but due to cost.
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Al Michaels has the greatest voice in sports. Iconic and historical.
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7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:
I prefer 4-3 under we ran under Pettine 👍
yeah. Pettine's D was an attack D, not a react D.
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18 hours ago, Lagoon Blues said:
Though not a top tier back, I do think that his ranking is partially due to the offensive scheme. Only my opinion of course but I believe he is a slightly better back then you give him credit for.
he is not a starter IMHO. But dam good back up at 3 mill a year. lol i hope. He can spot start for injuries and do fine.
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On 1/30/2023 at 5:10 PM, Simon said:
The repeated pearl clutching over 1 meaningless second of game time never ceases to amaze me.
Do we really give a ***** about this?
it's not about the time. It is about it is a penalty that needs fair application to all teams. NFL seems to give each team the same leeway but there must be a better way.
when you don't follow the set penalty rules then you open pandoras box for one team to be slighted if they also do not get the same leeway.
On 1/30/2023 at 6:16 PM, JROC INTEL said:Its a good idea, but id say no. There would be so many instances of it going off at the wrong time bc someone didn’t operate the clock correctly/turn it off in time. I think it’s one of those things better left alone personally.
The ref on field could have button he pushs when ball is hiked. Ref button would stop the playclock horn from sounding if he pushed his button first.
but best and easiest is very simple. They have ref in booth watching the plays. He can clearly see the ball is hiked late just like the millions watching on tv. Then can buzz refs to blow whistle even just after play starts if he is a little delayed buzzing down.
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16 hours ago, Billznut said:
I’d agree but McD just doesn’t trust rookies at other positions as we’ve seen. Is he really going to trust 1-2 rookies protecting his QB? One missed block could end our season. I think McD really will be hesitant to do it. And pretty much no chance they put two rookies on the line. One at most.
current line misses blocks every game.
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w Frazier philosophy on D Bills will never win a SB under him. You could not even see DB's in picture on Bengal pass plays.
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On 1/24/2023 at 11:31 PM, Beck Water said:
Don’t the truck stops charge $12 per shower?
I’m thinking House is a $10 Planet Fitness guy
No. He is a member of the YMCA and can go to any across the US(and Puerto Rico too) as a member. Then Take shower for free.
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3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The chances of Leslie retiring or getting a HC job is basically 1%.
sooooooo you're saying we have a chance..........?? lol
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4 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:
We all know wide right, 13 seconds and so on. What's this Cinci loss called?
- No show in the snow?
- The embarrassment?
- 60 minutes?
"No show in the snow" is clever and good. I go with that one on a poll.
how about:
missuse of motivation game
Bengals rally cry was KC BILLs selling tickets already.
Bills should have played up Ciny was also selling tix. Ciny Jax
Stadium Renderings Part 2
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by cba fan
all polls and the Bills survey showed majority wanted a roof. Bills only would say after the survey (that they refused to give actual results of) that it showed "there was not an overwhelming outcry for a dome"
read between the lines. Bills wanted a large majority to want a dome before they would seriously consider it, not just the simple majority which the survey showed wanted a dome.