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2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
As per the new stadium lease, I do believe the new owner would be able to move the team without penalty in the year 2055. If there is NFL football still going on by then I'll eat my hat
get some salt. Head injuries and CTE is prevalent in hockey, UFC, kick boxing, Boxing, Rugby, Soccer too, so that would need to go away along with NFL.
I don't see it happening. Too much money at stake. More likely advances in head protection increases and rules change to lessen head trauma.
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On 4/10/2023 at 7:15 PM, nucci said:
I live in Delaware. No sales tax here
it was a metaphor. And i was talking about tax on car sales off your comment about buying a car. Document car tax in Delaware. 1500 to over 2 k per car.
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7 hours ago, corta765 said:
I follow NFL Schedule Update on twitter who is pretty solid on leaks yearly.
Based on todays tweet expect the Bills to play in October and it is very possible it is against the Jags. Pats will be hosting in Europe week 9 or 10 and Chiefs week 10 or 11 vs the Bears.
not possible for Bills to play Jaguars. Jags play one home game in UK per year.
Bills game is a Bills home game moved to London. Bills game to be played in Hotspur stadium 2023.
Jags play in Wembly in 2023
BUFFALO, N.Y. — The Buffalo Bills will head across the pond for a game during the 2023 NFL regular season, the team announced Thursday morning.
The Bills will play at London's Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The opponent, as well as the date and time have not been determined yet.
This will be the team's second trip to London. They traveled there in 2015 to play the Jacksonville Jaguars.
"We are proud to be selected to participate in our league's international games in 2023 and continue to help grow our sport globally," Buffalo Bills EVP and Chief Operating Officer Ron Raccuia said in a statement posted to the Buffalo Bills website on Thursday.
"The NFL has done an incredible job with this initiative. We're excited for Bills Mafia to experience Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, one of the primary design inspirations for our new stadium scheduled to open in 2026."
The game in London will replace one of the nine designated home games next season.
The Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, and New England Patriots are among the other teams selected to play internationally next season, according to the Bills. The team and NFL say the Titans will also have a "home game" in London but won't face the Bills. The Jaguars are set to play at Wembley Stadium in the UK.
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6 hours ago, Bangarang said:
I still have nightmares of watching EJ Manual piss down his leg in London against the Jags.
was that the game the Bills TE ran straight to the sideline stepped out of bounds and then turned and caught a catch a pass from EJ? For a loss.
or was that a Tyrod throw? I think it was EJ
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On 4/10/2023 at 2:34 PM, SUNY_amherst said:
i dont think they are getting $1billion from taxpayers anywhere in the US to build a Home Depot or Target
NFL stadium seems a little bigger in scale than a car dealership
in total Walmart collectively per company has received Billions to build all their many many locations.
same with Target, Home Depot, McDonalds, fill in the blank ___________________developers of strip malls etc etc...... they all get tax welfare. And they in total get much much more than the occasional sports arena being built as sports are getting less and less public input. Developers and private businesses getting corporate tax welfare are increasing as the states and localities fight to entice them.
Just mention a Tesla or Lowes warehouse or Bass Pro or Amazon HQ, or a Casino, to an area, and they will rain money down on them to get them.
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2 hours ago, John Gianelli said:
According to an online inflation calculator, $22,000,000 in 1972 is worth $158,336,842.11 today. So the cost increase alone for this stadium is only slightly less than what it cost to build the entire stadium in the first place, adjusted for inflation!
lol... it is startling until you realize:
yes stadium construction is much much different now with so much more sq feet, scoreboards, electronics, wi fi, better locker rooms, workout areas, restaurants, much more dynamic concessions, fan areas, kid areas, standing room platforms, overhangs, heated areas, domes, Mega amounts of suites, it goes on and on.
can't even compare the cost anymore. It is not an accurate comparison.
it is like comparing the old Hoosier Dome and Metro Dome to the new Domes that have over double the square footage.
2 hours ago, nucci said:true but I'm not writing a personal check for $2K to the dealership for the right to buy a car.
yes you are. it's called sales tax lol....lol
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2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:
Home Depot & Target aren't getting $1 billion in taxpayer subsidies for a new building though
yes they are, in the form of tif districts and direct land donations and tax incentives, every time they move and build a new super center. Walmart too.
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On 4/9/2023 at 9:19 AM, Mr. WEO said:
You can mischaracterize PSLs any way you want, I guess. 1
Likewise, The G4 loan program is funded, per the CBA, as a maximum of 1.5% of annual league revenue, so it's not something that Pegs has "paid into for decades". It is, like player salaries, money that the owners never see in their coffers. And as such, Pegs personally is not on the hook for such a loan. He team can pay it back by not taking their cut of away game gate receipts.2
This isn't a matter of different opinions...
1. agreed. Many diff ways to look at it. It is like the circular argument.
2. every team loses the %cut of the visitor team money when they play on the road and then that gets funneled into the G4 program. So it is direct money of Pegs and every other owner they do not get. It is their money.
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8 hours ago, Utah John said:
I still can't believe the Pegulas get credit in this deal for the money collected from PSLs. That's money from the fans, from the public, not from their own pockets. And they even get to count the money that it costs to sell and administer the PSLs.
They ARE responsible for cost overruns, which could turn out to be a lot of money, so they're not getting off scott-free. I just think the PSLs should be regarded as another category of funding for the stadium, so we could see more clearly who's paying what.
A lot of what's being counted as money from the Pegulas is actually money paid by the fans, for PSLs. It's crazy.
as i pointed out the PSL's in this deal are fundamentally different than in any other.
Pegs contributes a set multi millions as i set forth per the deal. No stipulation PSL's intake affects his contribution. State wanted a guarantee and got it.
Pegs as owner of Bills is only one who can sell PSL's. Pegs as owner keeps 100% of the PSL money. If he can't sell any PSL's or only sells $50 million of PSL's he has no recourse. The deal is done.
If he sells $100 billion of PSL's he keeps all of it. State and County have no recourse to ask for more.
You can bet Pegs will try to keep the amount of PSL money taken in, a hot secret.
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18 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:
Read the above Einstein poster I couldn’t have said it better myself. It is 100 percent accurate. Some like myself questioning PSE Terry Pegula doesn’t mean someone is a fraud or isn’t a Buffalo Bills fan. For the Bills fans saying Terry Pegula is the Buffalo Bills savior. The Buffalo Bills fans and the State of New York saved the Buffalo Bills. Look at Terry Pegula as a middle man raking in all the profits and watching his franchise climbing in value. While putting the original franchise money up he got that back with this stadium deal and his franchise rising in value because it’s one of the 32 NFL franchises of the NFL.
Someone would have bought the Buffalo Bills and kept them here in Buffalo including Bon Jovi. With that much upfront public money Bon Jovi isn’t getting that in Toronto a free new stadium so the Buffalo Bills would have stayed in Buffalo regardless if Terry Pegula bid or not. I am a Buffalo Bills fan not a NFL greedy owners fan. Just like I am a Buffalo Sabres fan not a Jack Eichel fan. Owners, GM’s, coaches, players come and go it’s all the way it is. BSF has seen a lot as Buffalo sports fan for over five decades living in Buffalo. I am loyal to the Buffalo Bills laundry that is it if the Buffalo Bills can win a Super Bowl championship for Buffalo guaranteed next year if they moved Josh Allen goodbye Josh Allen. Don’t tell me that is awful the goal is to win a Super Bowl for Buffalo and I am not 25 years old anymore. I am 55 years old seen, heard and lived through all the Buffalo teams shoulda, woulda, coulda be quite and win a Super Bowl Championship for Buffalo Bills fans you bums in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo
value of Bills rising does Pegs no good. He does not borrow money off the value of the team for operating and he is never selling in his lifetime. After which time his kids likely take over or sell then.
It would be like you buying a house at age 21 with about 20% of cash you had on hand in bank liquid. Then living in it your whole life to 85. Does not matter one bit what the value of that house is at any time as you are never selling it.
You in fact would hope it does not rise in value too much as it makes your property taxes jump up if it does.
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19 hours ago, Einstein said:
We have already been over this, and NO, Pegula will not come close to 50% of the stadium costs.
He will be closer to 20%.
A massive portion of the $550M is coming from PSL’s (not Pegula’s money) and the G4 loan that is tied to the VISITORS cut of the ticket sales (again, not Pegula’s money).
So essentially, the taxpayers are paying for the taxpayer funded part. And the fans are paying for most of the Pegula portion.
From the Buffalo news article on it:
we have gone over this and we disagree on it.
I still believe PSL money is Pegs. He choose to do PSL's as part of the funding and opening up the G4 loan from NFL.
Pegs and Bills have pd into the NFL G4 loan fund for decades and will pay in in perpetuity by taking Bills cut of tickets when they are on road when Bills are visitor. so it is Pegs money getting spent.
So i give it to Pegs on the ledger front.
I know you and some others do not agree.
It is just my categorization of it. Partially due to the following also:
If Pegs or other owner wanted to move a team to newer richer city, they could dig in, refuse to offer PSL's, then not Q for the G4 loan, and insist on more public funding that would not come, to then grease the wheel for the team to escape to richer pastures.
This option was very plausible for Pegs in this market and he could have dug in and insisted Bills WNY market cannot support PSL's and most believe that. Especially the State believes that as you read on:
and finally. This stadium deal is fundamentally different from every other PSL funding deals in history.
Pegs is funding all his portion up front including cost overruns to be determined completely separate from PSL money eventually brought in. And it has absolutely no bearing on how much, how little, or if any PSL money is raised. Or if 20 trillion is raised. Pegs is locked into the deal as is.
State wanted no part of this unknown and got Pegs to agree on the deal as is.
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23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
Is your laptop autocorrecting PSLs into "Pegs"?
that's funny as hell lmao........but truly it's his money either way.
20 hours ago, Just Jack said:Are there any water wells in Love Canal not being used? They could pipe some of that to the stadium for the visitors.
🤣😂😂i don't think this is what they had in mind with the "Choose Love" campaign.
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On 4/7/2023 at 4:26 PM, Draconator said:
You obviously missed the reason for the $140 Million extra cost.
- Bigger canopy covering the fans
- Enhanced electronics and amenities throughout the stadium to enhance the game day experience for the fans
no i did not. All those are good things. Point is Pegs is responsible for it. It is still a cost overrun and Pegs is responsible.
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Now reported the deal is for $1.54 billion and Pegs is responsible for the $140 million additional cost from the original of $1.4 billion.
so we have cost overrun before one shovel is in the ground yet. lol. Considering the long construction timeframe, the volitivity of steel and supplies prices, some add ons these projects always get, and some inevitable construction cost surprises, you can bet this will approach 2 billion when done.
Pegs is responsible for all cost overruns.
I was widely criticized for harping on Pegs would end up paying over 50%, however, that is on track as we speak.
NY state 600 mill
Pegs/NFL 550 mill(250 mill is from NFL program Bills pd into for decades and will pay in for eternity. So is Pegs contribution. Bills actually eventually will pay
more into this then they get out of it until next new stadium is built in Buffalo)
Erie Co. 250 mill
Pegs 50 mill for Highmark demo.
cost o-run 140 million Pegs cost.
so Pegs is paying $740 mill already. Almost 50% already.
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9 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:
Only lived in Upstate NY and Florida but traveled all over for work. LOVED Arizona and planned on moving there back in the 90's but Family and responsibilities prevented that. Lived in Orlando, Daytona, Deland, Brandon, Clearwater, St. Pete, Sarasota and a few cities/towns here in South Florida. Sarasota was my favorite. Kids and grandkids are in the Alva area on 5+ acres, so that's where I want to be. Still warm and not a lot of people.😁
you live in a moving van?...wtheck...lol that's a lot of stuff to load and unload.
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10 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
This guy is hysterical. I watch a lot of his stuff
that's funny..... wonder how many takes. That thing can grow and grow and grow.
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1 hour ago, folz said:
Whoever leaked this is trying to compare a 26-year old RB whose 3 best seasons averaged 2,080 yards and 15 TDs per against a 30-year old WR whose 3 best years averaged 1,486 yards and 9TDs? And you can't use CMC injuries as an excuse that it evens things out, when DHop has missed 15 games over the last two years due to injury/suspension (despite being healthy for most of his career prior---but he is also 30 now).
No doubt these are both great players, and I would love to have DHop on the Bills, if it works out (at the right price)...but this comparison is beyond ridiculous. DHop is not worth the same as CMC in trade value...and no one is buying that.
it was also leaked they will not get that and have come off the high ask and will only get similar to the Brandin Cooks trade like a 5th and 6th.
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1 hour ago, Mcg said:
I'll be sleeping on the couch for avoiding my wife for the last 2 days .
sounds like she added void years to you contract?.....lol
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2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:
I agree with everything here except the part about needing a dome. There are no domes in the NFL, only stadia with roofs.
everybody should know what people say when the say dome. E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y
don't get caught up in semantics. 🙄
ex: technically SoFi is not a dome or a roof. It's an open air canopy.
stadia w roofs??...lol..you mean fixed roof or retractable roof or spinning sphincter iris type like ATL.
6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:You guys are forgetting your BPA again
Happens every year
no team drafts BPA.(it's all lies)
All teams draft BPA in the position of need they have.
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22 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:
The only connection is that the Cards do monumentally stupid things and then have to do other stupid things to undo the stupid things that they did before.
yeah they are like the O'Brian Texans West lol
6 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:Absolutely he's available. Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal.
I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular
Salary Cap implications:
Oliver - 10m
Campbell - +4m
Wagner +7m
DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m
Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think? That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone. I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there
a media guy had an article that restructured DHop with some void years could get his cap hit down for Bills to 4.5 or 4.7 this year. That would be amazing.
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1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:
Nice
Does he count towards comp picks?
Right now It looks like we signed 5 n lost 5
That 3rd rder for Edmunds would be sweet
McKenzie was cut so he does not help Bills comp picks if he signs elsewhere. He would be a non CFA signing.
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Chris Williams OL was bad before he got here and bad here. Ko Simpson DB not even worth a million. Donte Whitner back tackler expert.
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6 hours ago, khlax3 said:
Currently the bills have between 9 and 11 open roster spots on their 53 man roster. With 6 draft picks this bills will add at least 4 more free agents who will make the 53. Here is the breakdown:
QB: No more additions (Allen and Allen)
RB: 1 more addition (cook, Hines Gilliam) we will add one more back and I think it will be in FA. I don’t think they would want to go into the season with just cook and Hines and a rookie. Fornette and Elliot make sense because they don’t count against comp. Damien Harris is another option
TE: 1 more addition (Knox, Morris) they will add a guy here a with a deep draft at the position I expect it will be in the draft rather than a FA
WR: 2 more additions (diggs, Davis, shakir, harty) I am thinking one FA and one in the draft. There are two options here go with a more expensive vet and then draft a WR late or draft receiver early and go with an older cheaper vet. My vote would be Jarvis Landry to solidify the slot with shakir and then draft a wr early on the outside)
OL: 2 more addition (Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Bates, Brown) I would expect a FA tackle (Shell has beeen rumored) and draft a C/G prospect in mid rounds
DT: 1 more addition (Oliver, Settle, Jones). They could go with a guy like Bryant to fill out the roster but I think it will be a mid round draft pick
DE: 1 more addition (Miller, Groot, Epenesa, Basham) if the bills think Miller will be good to go to start season maybe they go with a late round pick or bring back lawson. My preference would be to grab an older vet on cheap 1 year deal (Ingram, clowned, Houston, someone that is still producing but not going to cost a lot)
LB: 1 more addition (Milano, Bernard, Dodson, matekovich, Spector) Wagner. Would solidify this group if not I expect an early draft pick
Secondary: 0-2 additions (poyer, Hyde, Hamlin, mayden, white, benford, Elam, Neal, lewis, Jackson) this position may not need anything but it depends what they want to do. Does mayden make the 53. They signed him for a 2 year deal so I think so. Is Hamlin back this season? Does benford move to saftey? Do they cut Neal? If they stay as is they are set. If Hamlin mayden or Neal are not available or don’t make team they need to backfill.
Based on needs I see the bills doing the following in the draft
rounds 1-3: some combination of MLB, WR, TE
rounds 4-6: some combination of IOL, DT, DB
nice e v a l and info. Probably most added will add UDFA
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the weather made the d callers play soft. Bills need a dome to excel in post season.
New stadium cost goes up from $1.4 billion to $1.54 billion.
in The Stadium Wall
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Sams Club and Costco do.
If your above mentions are in tiff districts, then yes you pay every year in property tax lost that must be made up by raising yours.
If tax welfare is funded through bonds then again you keep paying locally.
If fed money is given you are paying via income tax.
virtually all those locations also charge local and state sales tax. Just 4 states have no sales tax.
You are splitting hairs.