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There is no morphing into a team that can play in the kind of weather we had vs the Colts. If the entire planet was conditions like that and humans evolved over thousands of years then maybe we'd be able to have an advantage in that weather, but as it stands now there is no way we could build a highly functional team for that weather.

I don't hate Cousins, he's an above average QB but I don't think he's worth the money he's going to command and I hope we don't get him. Money absolutely should be a factor in your view of him. He's going to get franchise limiting money while he's not a franchise carrying QB. He's not Rogers, he can't carry us, and for the money he's going to get, it's going to limit us in other areas and he's not going to be able to make up that difference. I'd rather draft my QB. I'd take Cousins for the right price, but his market will be above that.

It boggles the mind that in 2017 an open air stadium would even be considered in our climate. Sure a roof dome costs more but it's not double the cost. It should be a retractable roof stadium or a dome. It needs to have year round functionality. Also, this team isn't built for the snow. That game against the Colts wasn't a 30-7 win for us, we were just as impacted by the weather as them. 80% of the players come from the South today ... I'd hate to have a win and you're in game at home in December and have it be conditions where it's not really skill vs skill, but rather which player doesn't slip in the snow.

I'd like Darnold or Rosen, like most, but don't think we'll get either. I don't understand people wanting Mayfield. I like his swagger and competitive nature, but he's an outside the pocket improviser ... which is Tyrod's game, and this staff has made it clear they want a more traditional pocket guy, in my opinion. I think they need to get the guy they have a conviction for, whoever that is. If it's Rosen, they need to trade whatever it takes to get him. If it's Rudolph and they can stay put and get him, that's even better because we get to use our other picks. Either way, it needs to happen this year. I believe this staff (McBeane) will get at least 5 years, but they needed to start their QB process last year, or this year worst case. They absolutely can't draft their QB 3 or 4 years into their term. They need to figure out who they love, and do what it takes to get him.

I listen to national sports talk all day at work. When talking about Tyrod, most on-air personalities throw out all the stats that are favorable to Tyrod (low interceptions, QBR, etc). A lot of people don’t think those stats give a true representation. Today, most of the national media seemed to think the benching was a mistake, again citing all the stats that many don’t feel tell the full picture. Rodak seemed to get it, but he, like us, watch all the games, and the national media doesn’t. Anyway, during the Russillo show today they were talking about the Tyrod benching and played an audio clip from MMQB's Andy Benoit (originally on the 9/26/2017 show, when we were 2-1 and had just beaten a Broncos team that we weren’t expected to beat). I think these quotes sum up why Tyrod was benched. Andy Benoit: “There will never be a stat to capture throws that should be attempted that are not attempted, and when you put on the all 22 coaches film and you see how these plays are drawn up, every game more than any other QB in the league, Tyrod Taylor’s leaving guys open on the field un-attempted. He’s not processing, he’s not seeing, he’s not a full field progression reader, and he’s also not an anticipation thrower, that’s a bad mix, you have to really simplify the offense and build around him. Now, they put Taylor on the move a lot which slices the field in half, now he’s only reading half the field, that’s a very specific way to play though, and the more specific you are the easier you become to game plan against. So my guess is they’re ganna keep their eyes very much open for a quarterback, not this season, but heading into the offseason and moving forward.” Then as a follow up on the Benoit clip, Todd McShay said: “And I can tell you one thing, nothing will drive an offensive staff crazier than seeing something that they drew up, an opportunity for big play, and your quarterback didn’t take advantage of it, and I think that’s part of what’s going on here, and exactly what he’s saying is that, they’re getting guys open, they’re scheming the right way, they’re doing things, and he’s not seeing it, and that drives you nuts, because it makes you look bad as a coordinator, and ultimately as a head coach.” And then Will Cain chimed in with this: “That doesn’t show up in the numbers, it won’t even show up on a casual viewing on a Sunday, you’ll only know that when you know the game plan and what’s supposed to be happening on each individual play.” I transcribed this myself so I might have missed a word or two here or there. The information for the podcast is below, the entire segment is worth a listen. If you want to hear the entire discussion it’s hour one of today’s show (11/15/2017): http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/3028618 Direct mp3 link: http://play.podtrac.com/espn-theryenrussilloshow/c.espnradio.com/audio/3425347/russillo_2017-11-15-141847.64k.mp3 Andy Benoit quote: 15:22-16:24 Full segment on Tyrod: 10:52-18:54

Lions waive OT Greg Robinson http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000874968/article/lions-waive-ot-greg-robinson-with-injury-designation This isn't a thread saying we should sign him, I have no idea if he's good. I'm just wondering if any of you have watched him play? I thought he was a stud coming out in 2014. Now, he's obviously failed as a tackle with two teams, but he was a run blocking monster at Auburn. Anyone think he could transition to a Guard or is he just a plain bust?

Because this is the ideal situation to let a rookie sit, since we have Tyrod. Most of these college QBs aren't ready to start ... and we can actually afford to let them sit till they are ready at the moment. Would you rather us draft a rookie QB in a year when we need him to start, increasing the likelihood of his failure? Yes, we have many other areas of need, but this is an ideal situation to take a young QB. Some would point to a better crop next year, we have enough talent on this team to keep finishing around 6-10 - 8-8 ... we are never going to be drafting first overall to get someone like Darnold.

I'd take him in the second (and Mahomes in the first), so I'd have our top 2 picks sitting. I think this is the ideal year to have picks sit. Not to damper anyone's dreams but we aren't competing for a Super Bowl this year. With Tyrod back it's ideal to take Mahomes in the first, and Sidney Jones would represent incredible value in the second, even with the injury, and give us a possible stud in the future. I'm always willing to take injured first round talent later ... it's the whole short term vs long term view. Long term grabbing Jones in the second would be well worth it over a guy with less talent who can start sooner.

We have Tyrod for two years at about $15 per year, which is great. This is the perfect time to draft someone like Mahomes because we can let him sit and learn. We don't have to rush him in, new staff, and an experienced, but not journeyman, QB playing. If Tyrod ends up playing out of his mind and we have a Brees/Rivers situation, that's a good thing, but we are in the best position possible right now to take Mahomes.

most of the time i'm all for trading down, especially if you're pretty sure you can still get the guy you want ... but i don't know if i'd risk it here. i'd just take Mahomes at #10. we have the luxury of Tyrod right now so Mahomes can sit his rookie year. since not much is excepted of us this year i'd also take Sidney Jones in the second (if he lasts), and Taylor Moton in the third (depth and replacement for Richie next year). i think this is the perfect year to load up for the future as opposed to just grabbing who'll make the biggest impact out of the gate.

My fault, didn't know. Mods feel free to edit my original post as much as necessary. I proved the link to the article so all the info is there for anyone interested.

I searched and didn't see this posted. I look for this article every year, it's written with the Packers in mind but has a lot of information about the draft prospects. edit: Brought this list down to just the first set of players (14), click the link to the article for the full list (50 players). http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/03/04/2016-nfl-draft-outlook/98698342/ 2017 NFL Draft Outlook Bob McGinn , Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published 8:23 p.m. CT March 4, 2017 Updated 10:51 a.m. CT March 5, 2017 Based on interviews with executives in personnel for six teams, it is possible to narrow down just a little bit the pool of players that might be considered by the Green Bay Packers regardless of position if they exercise their current 29th selection in the first round of the NFL draft April 27. Prospects are conservatively divided into three categories: As Good As Gone – barring negative developments, these players have virtually no chance of reaching No. 29; Probably Gone – players who appear to have no better than a 50-50 chance of remaining on the board at No. 29; and The Next Level – players who figure to be taken next. Here’s an early look at 50 players who figure to fit into these layers of the draft (underclassmen are denoted by asterisk). AS GOOD AS GONE (14) MIKE WILLIAMS*, WR, Clemson: 6-4, 218. Huge possession receiver. “He’s a big-body, Dez Bryant mold,” said one scout. “He fits that profile well. If you sit there and try to make him a guy that wins on immediate separation, there may be an issue.” Started 30 games over portions of four seasons. “Reminds me of Mike Evans,” another scout said. “He’s really good in traffic. He is talented, big. Thing that worries me, I don’t see him separating from people.” Disappointing vertical jump of 32½ inches. COREY DAVIS, WR, Western Michigan: 6-3, 209. Similar in many ways to Williams. “He’s more fluid than Michael Irvin was,” said one scout. “Works hard. Loves football. Smart (31 on the Wonderlic intelligence test). Attacks the football. Concentrates in traffic. Got vertical tracking skills.” Four-year starter with 326 receptions in an emerging program. “He’s good, but he’s not like some of the top guys from the past few years,” another scout said. “He’s like the kid from the Eagles (Jordan Matthews). Little better hands. He’s a big, strong guy who can catch the ball really well.” O.J. HOWARD, TE, Alabama: 6-6, 251. Most complete tight end in the draft. “Nothing wrong with him at all,” said one scout. “Big-time basketball player in high school. Just a country boy. Big, fast, athletic. Receiving tight end or every down.” Played extensively for four seasons. “There’s no dominant in-line guys anymore but he’s probably as good as you’re going to get coming out,” a second scout said. “As a receiver he’s still a little untapped. Only two years did he play with a pro-style quarterback. He’s a phenomenal human being. His upside is through the roof.” Ran a speedy 4.51 in the 40-yard dash Saturday at the combine. RYAN RAMCZYK*, T, Wisconsin: 6-6, 310. One scout was shocked to see this former UW-Stevens Point LT play so well in his Badgers debut against Louisiana State at Lambeau Field. “LSU has edge guys and I was saying, ‘Who the heck is the left tackle?’ ” he said. “He stood out. He matches up with people stride-for-stride athletically.” Underwent hip surgery in January. Arms measured just 33¾ inches but hands were immense (10 7/8). “Balanced and strong and steady,” said a second scout. “He goes 15 to 25. He’ll be fine.” Aggressive run blocker. “You’re just betting a lot on this guy who in one year worked his way into being a productive blocker toward the end of the year,” said a third scout. “He just comes out of nowhere, he plays, now he’s hurt and he can’t work. Lot of red flags for me. I hope they take him early.” GARETT BOLLES*, T, Utah: 6-5, 297. Bounced around from high school to high school, played in junior college and spent just one season at Utah. “Checkered past,” said one scout. “He’s the most talented of all of them (tackles). Really athletic and tough. Plays hard. He’s got to get stronger.” Will be 25 as a rookie. “He’s more of a traditional mauler,” said another scout. “He’s athletically gifted and plays the game dirty tough. He is an LDS Mormon guy that’s kind of recaptured his life. He ran with gangs earlier in his life. He’s pretty good.” Arms were 34, hands just 9 3/8. CAM ROBINSON*, T, Alabama: 6-6, 322. Three-year starter at LT. “He is aggressive, he’s physical, he’s big,” one scout said. “There’s nothing he can’t do physically. I think someone like (Seattle’s) Tom Cable might say, ‘Hey, I can coach him up.’ They’ll buy into the upside aspect of it.” Whiffed frequently in pass protection and had too many penalties. Arms measured 35½. “Very, very erratic,” another scout said. “Off the field is a little bit of a question mark, too.” MITCHELL TRUBISKY*, QB, North Carolina: 6-2, 222. One-year starter. “You’ve got to try with him,” said one scout. “He’s the best of the bunch. You just wish he played more. He started one year, and the guy he played behind last year was terrible (Marquise Williams, who was in Green Bay’s camp). It’s kind of a concern. As far as the physical gifts, he’s got everything you look for. And he’s got the poise. He works hard.” Asked reporters to be known as “Mitchell” in the NFL. “Five-time Punt, Pass and Kick champion,” said a second scout. “Mr. Ohio in football out of high school. Has athletic feet and good feel for the game. As the season progressed he got better. Strong enough arm.” Hailed by a third scout as a “Marcus Mariota-type athlete.” He added: “He had his worst game against Stanford when he locked on twice and the safety picked off two passes. I wanted to compare him to (Brett) Favre but he’s a much better athlete than Favre and he’s faster than Favre. The amazing thing is he can run so well. Excellent competitor. He’s probably my best player (in the draft).” Clocked 4.67 in the 40. DALVIN COOK*, RB, Florida State: 5-10, 210. Rushed for 4,464 yards in three seasons while adding 79 receptions. “He reminds me of Marshall Faulk so much because he can catch the ball,” said one scout. “You can stick him in the slot. He goes downfield, catches the ball, runs hard. But he’s had three shoulder operations.” Ran an ordinary 40 (4.49). “Fast, explosive runner,” another scout said. “Boy, he would add something to our offense. He’s a back who can go for 60 (yards) every now and then. He’s everything.” LEONARD FOURNETTE*, RB, Louisiana State: 6-0, 240. Burst onto the scene as a pure freshman in 2014, rushed for a career-best 1,953 yards in ’15 and struggled playing on a high ankle sprain for most of ’16. “He’s the real deal,” said one scout. “He’s head and shoulders above everybody else.” Compared by scouts to Bo Jackson, Jonathan Stewart and Derrick Henry. “There’s similar things to Bo: size, twitch, explosion, burst, power,” said a second scout. “I could have written his report as a freshman. It didn’t take long to see he was a different bird. He’s not normal. Last year he had some of the most dynamic 2-yard gains you will ever see.” Ran 4.51 to go with a lousy 28½-inch vertical jump. “Big, strong, physical player but he really takes some hits,” a third scout said. “Like Derrick Henry.” MYLES GARRETT*, DE, Texas A&M: 6-4, 272. Three-year starter with 32½ sacks. “He’s a freak,” said one scout. “This guy is bigger and longer than Von Miller (6-2½, 246). He’s the best player in the draft.” Projects to DE for 4-3 teams and OLB for 3-4 teams. “He will not let teammates down,” said another scout. “He’s committed. He’s all in.” His arms measured an imposing 35¼. Several scouts questioned his effort and toughness. “This guy is supposed to be the certain first pick in the draft but he leaves a lot to be desired,” said one. “He’s a good athlete but there are stretches of him not being productive. He’s not really a tough guy. He’s not strong. He’s a flash player. Everything is solid off the field but I don’t think he plays hard. I’d take (Joey) Bosa.” JONATHAN ALLEN, DT, Alabama: 6-3, 286. Overcame multiple shoulder surgeries and made his senior season his best. “He was damn near unblockable in a lot of games,” said one scout. “He’s a difference-maker. Not a special athlete but extremely strong and an outstanding technician. He can play hurt and be productive. He just looks like a pro. He’s the perfect base end that moves inside on third down.” Three-year starter with 28½ sacks. “He doesn’t really stand out in any particular area but he just plays so hard,” another scout said. “He’s quick, active, strong. I’d want him on my team.” REUBEN FOSTER, ILB, Alabama: 6-0, 229. Follows in the footsteps of Crimson Tide MLBs C.J. Mosley and Reggie Ragland. “He’s better than Ragland from last year but Mosley is a little bit more athletic,” said one scout. “This guy has a little more thump to him (than Mosley). He’s good, not tremendous. He’s had some issues.” Foster’s difficult past came into focus Saturday when it was reported by ESPN that he was sent home from the combine after a “heated argument” with a hospital worker in Indianapolis. “This guy is fast, explosive, the real deal,” another scout said. “He may slide because of background. He’s got all kinds of stuff.” MARSHON LATTIMORE*, CB, Ohio State: 6-0, 193. Third-year sophomore who in effect played just one season. “He’s really quick,” said one scout. “Loose hips and good feet, and he has a burst. Faster, quicker than Gareon Conley. I just didn’t see him challenge (receivers).” Four interceptions this season and then declared two years early. “Not a true leader but teammates love him,” another scout said. “Good ball skills.” JAMAL ADAMS*, S, Louisiana State: 6-0, 214. Two-year starter with exceptional arm length (33 3/8). “Top-10 pick,” said one scout. “Phenomenal player. He’s one of the best safeties I’ve done. That’s Earl Thomas but bigger.” Father, George, was a running back drafted in the first round by the Giants in 1985. “The whole world is excited about him but I liked him more last year (2015),” said another scout. “He’s a box guy. Breaks down well and is a good tackler. He’s a tight-hipped guy who has some problems changing direction. He struggles out in space. He’s impressive physically. He is tough.”

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