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4 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Willis is bad, like really bad. Maybe over time he improves, maybe he doesn't. But for all you who had the Titans protecting & resting Willis vs Dallas and throwing Dobbs to the wolves were sadly mistaken. Dobbs is light-years ahead of Willis at this point.
Willis actually had more game time experience entering the game last week against the Texans. He went 14 of 23 for 99 yards 0 td 2 ints and a qb rating of 34.5
Dobbs coming into this game had only attempted 17 passes in his career, the last was 2 years ago. Against a far better defense(Cowboys vs Texans) and only with the team for 8 days, Dobbs went 20 of 39 for 232 yards 1 td 1 int and a qb rating of 67.5
All of this is 100% true, but it still does not change the fact that Willis not playing was more a result of them resting all of their staters than a true Carr style benching.
If this was a game the Titans had to win to stay alive - I do not believe for a second the team starts Dobbs over Willlis in this game.
Now what this game did was give them a chance to see what Dobbs could do with a near full week of prep and see if he gives them a better shot of beating Jacksonville than Willis (and it certainly seems like he might).
I just do not believe Willis not playing this week is a massive indictment against him - now that changes if and when they decide to play Dobbs over Willis next week in Jacksonville.
It also highlights how bad Willis is, but it was not an Apples to Apples comparisons as without Henry the Titans offered little in the run game and therefore had to pass more as an offense in general, but Dobbs was at least competent in doing that last evening.
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4 hours ago, Airseven said:
It’s clear Willis isn’t ready to be a starting QB this season and he was never supposed to be. He’s still a nice prospect. They’re comfortable with a slightly more experienced QB in a must-win scenario.
This isn’t a must win game. This is exactly the opposite - a totally meaningless game. Hence why Tennessee is sitting most of their staters including Willis.
My goodness - this is a totally wasted thread with people just making up scenarios without any understanding of what is going on.
They are sitting him as they are starting a back-up O-line and you do not want him getting hurt before the only “must win” game next week versus Jacksonville.
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2 hours ago, Process said:
Meaningless game they don't care about winning. Instead of giving the rookie playing time you start a guy you signed just 8 days ago? Don't care how much Willis sucks that's odd.
Not necessarily- if Tennessee plans to rest some/most of their O-Line do you really want to put a raw rookie behind back-ups against a Dallas team that likes to get after the QB.
It is a recipe for disaster.
If they play Willis - they need to play their starting O-Line and then you probably might as well play your starting WR and TE to get some time with and now in a meaningless game you can’t rest anyone.
I actually think they are being smart here. If you don’t care about the game - get as many players rest and get ready for Jacksonville.
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3 hours ago, Roundybout said:
I don’t think Willis is very good but it’s a strange call IMO. Dobbs is a known commodity.
Jacksonville has the South for its taking if they want it.
Not going to read a ton into this.
The Dallas game means nothing to Tennessee and the Cowboys can really rush the passer - I think you get to give a guy some snaps and protect the rookie a bit just in case he is going to destroyed in the pocket - you need someone ready for the Jacksonville game.
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39 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
I'm concerned Carr will get traded to Miami, NYJ, or NE. He's much better than people let on
Don’t worry about them trading for him - that would be helpful because they would be picking up a huge contract and giving draft capital.
He most likely will not be traded for multiple reasons:
1st he has a No Trade Clause meaning he gets to decide where to get traded.
2nd We are past the trade deadline for this year - so it would have to happen after the open of the 2023 NFL season in March.
3rd His 40 million guaranteed contract kicks in 3 days post Super Bowl - so if the Raiders don’t cut him before that - he costs the Raiders a ton of Money and cap space with dead cap hits even if traded.
The only way he gets traded is if he agrees to a bunch Raider requests to waive the No Trade Clause, and postpone the start of his contract until after the start of the new league year and you have a team that has the draft capital and the willingness to take on the huge contract.
I would be significantly more worried those teams or many others are going to get Carr for a much better contract (about 1/2 his current deal) and not have to give up capital - just guarantee his contract - after he gets cut in a few weeks.
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10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Ooo this is the player who himself and his spouse are very active on Tik Toc. Let me go see if they posted about this.
just checked nothing from either of them for 20Hs. Maybe today.
They must have posted something because my daughter loves them and follows them and excitedly was talking about him signing in LV - so from one dumpster fire to another.
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9 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:
Whether he shows signs or not, knowing his recent history the proper thing to do was evaluate him after they witnessed his head slamming off the field.
No because then you are pulling players in mid game based on did he hit his head or not and not whether there appeared to be an issue.
If the independent consultant has the power to pull players that get hit, but show no signs - that is going to cost players in their contract negotiations.
Going forward - what would Tua be worth if potentially after every sack or take down they had to pull him for a couple of plays - he would never self report and he would do everything to make it as easy as possible to get back and you are actually defeating the purpose of what they are trying to do.
They have rules in place and in my opinion should not deviate based on history. The team should be evaluating the players via interactions throughout the game - they and the player have the onus to catch these types of issues if something happens.
Hell in NE just by looking another player knew there was an issue and got the play stopped - if Tua was showing anything why wouldn’t his teammates do the same?
Even if the independent pulled him for a minute after the play - that does not necessarily change what happened - a player can easily get a concussion and not show any effects for 24 hours.
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7 hours ago, purple haze said:
It’s the spotters who are supposed to see these things and pull players out not the coach. The spotters were supposed to be an independent eye to get around coaches and players not responding to potential concussions.
The spotters are looking for signs - after hitting his head - Did he stumble, Did he reach up and grab his head, Did he Fence, Did he walk toward the wrong huddle, Did he shake his head as if cobwebs, etc.
Since Tua did none of those things - the spotters had absolutely no reason to pull the player.
After that - it is 100% on the coaches, teammates, and the player to say something if a player seems off during interactions, huddle, halftime, etc.
In this case we have no idea how those interactions went and if he showed any signs, but it was a bit worrisome that in his post game press conference he was having issues talking through a few interceptions and what went wrong. If there were signs during the game Miami should be in trouble for ignoring them, but based upon everything being said there were no signs.
Tua then it sounded like self reported signs the next day - maybe parts of the game were fuzzy, maybe he was having headaches, maybe he was having light sensitivity, etc. Once reported - per protocol - the Dolphins entered him into concussion protocol and now he will have to clear.
In this case - it does not appear the spotters or the NFL did anything wrong. We do not know what the Dolphins saw in interactions, but it was before halftime so the boy genius Head Coach spent a bunch of time with him so the only potential miss lies with the Dolphins team.
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51 minutes ago, Mango said:
This isn’t true at all. I think it largely comes from Tre taking 12 months to come back, so the fan base has turned it into some noble venture.
Allen is playing with an injury to his throwing arm.
Poyer played a game where he wasn’t healthy enough to get on an airplane.
Cole Beasley played on a broken leg.
Mitch Morse will likely be cleared to play at some point after his 6th NFL concussion. Not counting juniors or college.
Tommy Doyle played a game with a torn ACL and McD praised his toughness for doing it in the post game.
None of those instances are player for at precautions. The Tua thing is a disaster for the NFL, the Dolphins, and McDaniels. But the Bills aren’t some holier than thou franchise when it comes to injuries.
Although I agree in general we are not a lot different than other teams - I do totally disagree that this view has to do with Tre White and his recovery.
The truth is compared to many teams - the Bills have been overly cautious on most soft tissue injuries compared to teams around the league. Typically any kind of strain or pull of a muscle/hamstring/quad etc. has been met with 1-2 weeks of limited practice time and typically missing at minimum of 1 game.
They do the same thing with ankles, knee, foot injuries - where a player might feel ok to give it a go, but they hold them out for an extra week.
Your examples are correct - Tommy Doyle played with a torn ACL and McDermott praised his toughness - he also stated they did not know until after the game he did that. Tommy refused to let the team down and that is no different than many players.
I do not think the Bills are above playing an injured player - especially if that player has clearance and wants to play - Ala Mitch Morse and Cole Beasley. So I do not think they are some Holier Than Thou team in that regards, but I also think they are still on the cutting edge of injury evaluation and time to recovery and they work hard to make sure guys have enough time to recover when possible, but it is a balancing act.
I think both the Team and Gabe knew with his ankle he was coming back to soon and would be negatively impacted, but they needed WR help at the time and he could go - so they played him. They had LB depth and have allowed Milano and Edmunds to miss games to recover to try and prevent further injury - even though their replacements led to some dismal defensive performances.
They have done similar things at Safety and DL with Oliver, Phillips, and Poyer all getting time off to recover as needed - even if that meant going to multiple practice squad DL.
So while I agree overall with the premise that the Bills are not really different from other NFL teams - I will say there are numerous examples of them giving time off beyond Tre White that shows the Bills utilize analytics and history to help guide them on injuries as much or more than other teams.
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21 hours ago, pennstate10 said:
Hey, just curious.
after seeing missed 35 and 38 yd kicks this week, is everyone absolutely sure that not taking a sure TD was the right move?My opinion is that it was a close decision, but that McD should have taken the TD. FG, especially in bad weather, might be 90+%, but it’s never 100%
It was still 100% the right decision as there was almost no wind - which is what caused the misses. 🤦♂️
If you play the what if game - did you see Miami score on a 1 play 84 yard drive or the 3 play 77 yard drive this week?
The Bills 100% made the right decision and controlled the outcome - any argument for scoring the TD is just wrong.
Every percentage and finding shows that the chances of a Bills victory were higher by Devin going down. The chance of a Dolphin victory was enhanced by Devin scoring.
Miami’s quick scoring offense added to that by scoring on 20% of their drives (2 out of 10) on long drives of 3 plays or less for TDs giving them 12 long, quick drives on the year and multiple versus Buffalo - which on the season pushes their % of long, quick scoring drives to nearly 9% - still much higher than the 1 -2% missed FG % in history.
So - No at this point very few - maybe only you - are left rooting for the Bills to make a play to reduce their chances of winning. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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2 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:
So I guess my question here isn't so much why it wasn't seen during the game but why it's a thing a day later.
Is he having day after fog or maybe some other issue today which led to the further testing to see what was up?
Yes - he self reported symptoms today and therefore put him in protocol.
There is no proof that he got the concussion on the play or that he had any earlier signs or symptoms.
He reported issues and now the team is responding. Everything else is falsely placed outrage and more likely to prevent players from self reporting if it is going to cause this kind of outrage.
As of this moment - no-one - not the spotters, not the Miami Doctors, not the Miami coaches, and not the players have done anything wrong. He did not experience symptoms or signs during the game and self reported the following day.
Until something comes out from a source that the Dolphins staff or players said something - there should be no blame and Tua did the correct thing and reported symptoms when they are present.
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3 hours ago, T master said:
Not surprising when they announced him it was a bit of a surprise i didn't know that working in GB made him that much of a commodity & just seeing what he did here wasn't impressive at all !!
They hired him specifically because of his time in GB - with the hope that Aaron who liked Hackett - would follow and give them a Vet QB.
When Rodgers signed back in GB it was a very bad sign for the Broncos because all of a sudden you needed Hackett to coach not recruit.
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12 minutes ago, f0neguy said:
I realize he showed no symptoms. With his history, I would hope the independent spotter would check regardless. He had a serious injury earlier this season. He bounced his head off of a lightly padded concrete floor. The shield (and NFLPA) preach their concern over concussions. He should have been checked.
Again the spotters are not looking for everyone that bangs their head - it happens on nearly every play. They are looking for specific signs that a concussion might have occurred. Those are clearly defined and have been added to due to the previous fiasco the Dolphins screwed up.
If you want them checking every player after every hit - you are going to be pulling people after most plays. Also how fair is it to write a rule and say - well this guy we want to pull any time - even if he shows no sign and this guy is fine because he does not have a history that we know about.
You can’t do that - you make specific things for them to look for and criteria to pull them from a game - then you also expect that teams and teammates will pull a guy that is acting or looks funny ( see the Eagles).
If he showed No Symptoms as you said hen you are targeting a team and player and the NFLPA specifically did not want that because they were afraid it could impact future contracts if there was fear of a guy getting pulled showing nothing.
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14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
I’m sure you can understand why the reason the NFL gave publicly was one that allowed them to disavow responsibility for the mistake.
Yes, but why would the NFLPA come out and agree with the NFL that the rules were followed as written.
Additionally why would the NFLPA come out and specifically state the independent doctor was not fired for the Miami issue, but specifically because he was argumentative in his examination when the talked to him.
They found no fault with what he did or whether the protocol was followed and the NFLPA is certainly not trying to allow the NFL to “disavow responsibility” - yet they found no fault.
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2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:
Garbage ass QB play to that degree immediately after having your head driven into the dirt, however, is.
I get what you're saying, but come on. It's obvious.
So every time you get garbage QB play it could be a concussion?
He hit his head on the ground and showed no signs and nothing that his teammates or coaches said.
What about WR - should every time a WR lands on his back and then drops a pass - should we expect concussion.
The facts are he showed no outward sign - so no independent visual was going to pull him. He did not complain that we are aware of symptoms during the game and none of his teammates saw enough wrong to say anything.
The Defense of GB changed up and once again the Dolphins and their stupid HC got away from the running game.
Maybe it was concussion symptoms or maybe he had a really bad 2nd half against a defense that adjusted and then overnight he got symptoms like a headache and or nausea that he reported that had no impact on the game.
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21 minutes ago, SoTier said:
Aren't there supposed to be observers watching plays to see if a player hit his head?
17 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:I’ve noticed multiple times in multiple games where it was obvious a player took a shot to the head and he was never called off the field. I think the whole observer thing is a farce.
It is not getting hit in the head - that happens all of the time - it is professional football.
The spotters are looking for actions after the hit, players stumbling or heading to the wrong huddle, looking lost or dazed, any “fencing” posture.
They are not pulling people that just hit their head unaccompanied by other signs.
It is made more difficult by other players helping guys up as that masks some of the signs. Plus they are watching groups of players and if something happens fast - it is easy to miss.
Did Tua hit his head - Yes.
Should he have been pulled - not by the spotters because he showed no signs.
Then it goes to the team - talking with him on the sideline or in the huddle was there and issue - that is not on the spotters but his teammates to get him out.
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16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
The continued ineptitude by NFL and Dolphins is crazy. No coach in his right mind would want to put a concussed player back on the field. Tua’s stats pre and post concussion tell one reason why. Short and long term health impacts are another. But the NFL continuing to screw this up is even more shocking. As focused as they are on optics, missing this is unacceptable. Remember that they fired the doc that missed it last time. Now the replacement misses the same guy bouncing his head off the ground. Wow!
No one was fired for missing the first issue. The NFLPA used their right to fire the independent Doctor because of the way he answered their questions in regards to the situation.
The NFLPA ended up agreeing with the NFL that based upon the current rules - the situation was handled correctly. The NFL and NFLPA then went about editing the rules to fill in the gaps.
Again - if Tua does not show any signs - they are not pulling every player that bangs their head. If Tua did not stumble or show fencing posture or anything else - what are the spotters supposed to do?
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50 minutes ago, Beast said:
This certainly was missed by those paid to look for it but there is a safeguard. The player it actually happened to. I get not wanting to come out of a game but I don’t think the player should be let off the hook either, especially when it’s his health at risk.
Totally agree - I will say I do not believe in any way the NFL or the spotters “missed” this. They are not checking or pulling every person that bangs their head (turf, Helmet to helmet, or helmet to something like knee) - they are looking for actions afterwards - stumbles when standing up, fencing posture, any kind action that shows an issue and there were simply none of those. (unlike the Eagles WR that showed some “fencing”).
What failed Tua is his teammates, HC, and Offensive staff that talked with and met with him after that play. If even the slightest bit was off - they need to help take care of their teammate.
Most of all I agree with @Beast - the player must take responsibility for this also. In the end the best person to diagnose a head injury is the player himself saying something and then allowing the medical team to diagnose it in the moment. The Buffalo game was a fiasco, but the player himself lied to the medical team about his injury and that caused the compounding of the situation.
Now if it turns out - he felt nothing/fine during the game and the headaches and symptoms came up today - then there is very little you can do to the team - he showed no signs or symptoms. If it turns out that he did have signs and symptoms reported to the team or coach - then the Dolphins should be hammered with fines and loss of draft picks for letting him play, but my guess is everything will fall on the fact that nothing was noted or said during the game as he would of kept quiet to keep playing.
The next question is clearance and playing - after the second major concussion many people thought he should sit out the rest of the year. Now here we are with another potential concussion. If it was my team - I would hold him out the final 2 games for sure - if you can’t win either of the last games - tough you need this player to recover. If he is cleared and you make the playoffs - It should be up to him at that point to play again or not, but I would allow him to rest for a couple of weeks minimum.
My gut tells me he will clear protocol and want to play and the Dolphins are going to let him play to try and get a shot at the playoffs- even if it potentially causes his career to be shorter because as a team they do not seem to care.
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Early in the game he gets hit and his head hits the ground. Several fans posted they thought he should have been tested, but the Dolphins did nothing.
Then he screws up their season and wham here you are.
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3 hours ago, Beck Water said:
LOL.
I know opinions on this board vary, but I trend towards crediting some of the film breakdowns pointing out that Wilson has had options, he's just running off-script (or writing his own script) and there actually are open receivers and plays to be had.
I don't think we're going to see a change under the same OC (the Packers former TE coach). But, an OC who can either design a system to work with whatever Wilson has left, OR, who can get Wilson to buy-in and work within the offense he designs, could look much more successful with Wilson.
The problem was - in Seattle what worked was strong runs and then Wilson going off script with pressure and throwing the ball deep as guys moved up.
Wilson was at one time one of the few off script guys that could throw anyplace on the field from any spot. The league struggled with that and did not have a defense early on.
Now he is more limited with age and the league has developed new defenses for Mahomes, Allen, and even guys like Burrow to flood the passing lanes and Wilson has not adjusted his game at all.
Hackett is not blameless as a HC, but Seattle recognized that Wilson had a style and was not adjusting to the new NFL and wanted to move on. I am not sure there is an OC or HC that can bring him back. It will require Wilson to accept that he is no longer elite and change to more of a Tom Brady - hit the open guy and move down the field in small chunks.
In the mean time - Hackett had to go and the team has to reset and try again.
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What a terrible hire - trying to bring in Aaron, but it was a really bad hire as a mesh with Wilson.
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Mayfield on the Rams is the same as Mayfield on the Browns and Panthers - very, very inconsistent.
Against the Raiders (admittedly 1st game) he struggled early and finally made plays on the last drive while putting up under 20 points.
The Packers game against a team that was still trying - he stunk - around 50% completion and barely over 10 points.
Denver clearly gave up - especially when Wilson started throwing picks like Christmas gifts out there. Mayfield looked phenomenal, but Denver never showed up.
Just like his 2 previous stops - he has a game or small parts of games that he looks good and parts of games or even full games that he is barely back-up level competent.
Some team (I doubt the Rams with Stafford under his huge contract and stating he is coming back) will be fooled by the talent and will sign him and get a few games where they are excited and then crash back down when suddenly he has 3 games where he looks like A rookie QB.
Mayfield with McVay looks just like Mayfield under Rhule, Wilks, etc.
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6 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:
I know it's been mentioned on this board before, but it bears repeating. Since Josh Allen joined the NFL he has 3 AFC East championships. Since joining the NFL, the Jets have 2.
They also showed a graphic - Josh has 3 4000 yard passing seasons since being drafted and in their 100 year history the Bears have had ZERO.
Amazing.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He flashes some big time pass rush ability but his consistency is all over the place. It is telling that since Von went down the Bills second most used D end after Greg is Shaq - because he is reliable, he can be trusted to know and play his assignment and doesn't make many mental mistakes.
AJE is having his best year as a pro, that's for sure, but I still don't know that he is more than a situational rusher.
Agreed - I think in pure pass rush situations that is where they try to use AJE as much as possible and hence his uptick in Sack production.
@Big Turk I am not sure he has turned a corner - I actually think what you are seeing is AJE is playing the Pass rush only situations with Shaq playing more running downs and if it was not for the Von Miller injury - AJE does not get those snaps.
I have been fine with what I have seen, but I don’t think it is very different from his production throughout his career - it is just now he is playing Batman to Shaq’s Robin and I think to a tackle blocking Shaq - AJE comes in and looks like Derrick Thomas all of a sudden and you are not quite ready for his speed to power ratio on the rush.
My issue is against a rush - he gets blown away and cannot defend enough - so he is really limited in usage. I have been highly disappointed in that level of production because in College he seemed more of a complete DE with limited speed, but good strength and hands. Now he seems like a skinny tree limb - with better speed than anticipated and pretty good hands, but very limited strength and until that changes I think he is a limited player.
Josh McDaniels doesn’t rule out benching Derek Carr
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Well - if he did it for the Money - why didn’t he stay in GB. Pat was talking about that on his show - how GB offered Adams more money, but what Adams wanted and was looking for (along with the money) was playing with a stable QB that they could build something around.
Adams talked about being sick of Rodgers and the yearly retirement and FA talk and decided to leave to go play with his college teammates that just signed a long term contract. They even talked on the show about whether he was going to come back or try to work his way out of LV to go play where Carr lands.
So I guess I do not believe Money was the only reason and I think the Raiders screwed him by making this move. I think he legitimately wanted to play with Carr and wanted them to be a team for several years.
Adams also worked to get a head of the questions with the reporters and he certainly did not look like what he was saying was PR related - he was legitimately hurt that Carr was benched and sent home - he looked angry and frustrated with the situation.