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On 2/11/2023 at 9:09 AM, Einstein said:
Is he though? Based on what? Just because the coaches wouldn't give him an opportunity?
Look at what he did when he got an opportunity...
Hodgins: 0.3 receptions, 2.5 yards per snap
Diggs: 0.1 receptions, 1.7 yards per snap
Davis: 0.05 receptions, 0.9 yard per snap
McKenzie: 0.07 receptions, 0.9 yard per snap
Per snap in Buffalo (opportunity), Hodgins outperformed EVERY RECEIVER (at the least the top 4) on the team!What more did he need to do in order to receive a greater opportunity? When given a very limited chance, he performed. So how can we say he is an average WR? Based on what exactly?
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Edited to add: if you include his Giants statistics per snap, his numbers go down a bit with a much larger snap count, but it STILL outperforms all but Diggs on a per-snap basis.
I mean I am pretty sure I heard on ESPN - they were debating who is the best WR and go well you know:
Justin Jefferson with only 0.11 receptions per snap and 1.69 yards per snap
Diggs with 0.1 receptions per snap and 1.7 yards per snap
Nope it must be Hodgins when he played with the Bills on his 16 snaps - he doubled and tripled those guys. It does mean anything when he moved to the Giants and actually got snaps that those numbers became 2nd and 3rd tier.
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On 2/11/2023 at 9:09 AM, Einstein said:
Is he though? Based on what? Just because the coaches wouldn't give him an opportunity?
Look at what he did when he got an opportunity...
Hodgins: 0.3 receptions, 2.5 yards per snap
Diggs: 0.1 receptions, 1.7 yards per snap
Davis: 0.05 receptions, 0.9 yard per snap
McKenzie: 0.07 receptions, 0.9 yard per snap
Per snap in Buffalo (opportunity), Hodgins outperformed EVERY RECEIVER (at the least the top 4) on the team!What more did he need to do in order to receive a greater opportunity? When given a very limited chance, he performed. So how can we say he is an average WR? Based on what exactly?
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Edited to add: if you include his Giants statistics per snap, his numbers go down a bit with a much larger snap count, but it STILL outperforms all but Diggs on a per-snap basis.On 2/11/2023 at 9:24 AM, Einstein said:See my post above.
He had more receptions and more yards per snap (opportunity) than every WR on the Bills (when with the Bills). If you include his Giants time, he has more receptions and more yards per reception than every WR on the Bills except Diggs.
Holy crap this is the stupidest thing I think you have ever posted - here let’s compare a guy with only a few limited snaps (16) versus starters because every official WR ranking is based on yards or catches per snap.
How did he look when he got more playing time with the Giants.
In 8 games he got 33 catches on 417 offensive snaps and a paltry 350 yards on those snaps compared to Diggs who had 108 catches on 836 snaps and over 1400 yards.
That means once he got playing time he fell to:
0.07 receptions per snap and 0.8 yards per snap - oh look the same as all the guys you mention once you get some numbers.
if you convert Hodgins NYG numbers to a full year comparable to other players catching the ball - he is ranked 40-50th in receptions and 50-60th in yards and over 70th in yards per reception as a #1 WR on the team. He put up #2 or #3 type numbers as the primary target and terrible numbers in Yards per reception and yards after catch.
Hodgins is the very definition of average and is a terrible fit in the Bills offense because with a lack of speed on the outside he brings nothing. As a legitimate 4th or 5th WR - you need special teams play and even on the Giants he got 0 ST snaps.
After the Giants traded their #1 WR to KC and their other WR in Slayton was hurt - they needed to sign and then play Hodgins and like Robert Foster his rookie year - when that is all you have - you make due. Once the Giants get another WR threat on the outside - Hodgins falls back into his 3/4th outside role and with a lack of speed and special team abilities he will begin to drop back to unknown territory.
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17 hours ago, Virgil said:
While I know that McD was never leaving as our HC, nor am I calling for it, I still think about the rift between him and McD in the final year.
With Dorsey's alleged struggles, and our inability to find a solid WR2 on the team, the Hodgins thing bothers me more. We weren't so flush with talent that cracking our depth chart was hard. Hell, we brought back Beasley and Smoke. So how did we miss on the opportunity that Hodgins was so badly?
I don't know, maybe I'm just bitter.
16 hours ago, Virgil said:
Don’t bring up Teller, it’s still too soon. However, Beane has openly admitted to messing that one up
Not in the least - Daboll deserved his chance and we will see how it goes moving forward. Fans here did nothing but criticize Daboll for play calling and then suddenly love it when it was someplace else. The truth is teams starting figuring him out late in the season and the Giants outperformed expectations early and then maxed out luck and talent much like 2019 and 2020 with the Bills.
Hodgins is an average WR on a team with no WR talent. If he remained on the Bills - he was still no more than a #6 WR that struggled to get open. Most games with the Giants he was completely invisible getting a couple of catches. He did seem to show up versus Minnesota for them, but other than that he was a nothing.
It is ok to bring up Teller - much like Hodgins - he left Buffalo and fell into a great situation for him. His first year in Cleveland- Teller was bad - to the point most fans thought he was getting cut - much like his struggles in Buffalo. Then they brought in an OL coach and OC that fit him and he excelled. That was not happening in Buffalo because no matter the Bills were going to be a pass first team and even as an all pro - Teller is barely average in pass protection- especially late in games when teams can pin their ears back and are not worried about the run.
Be happy for the players - neither was going to do anything in Buffalo. It is ok for people to find a scheme and become a better player. It is ok for a player low on the depth chart to go to a bad team and be higher up and get a chance - be happy and “LET IT GO”.
There is nothing wrong with that.
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24 minutes ago, bobobonators said:
Im on the fence about it. Yeh the final second is mostly inactivity but the process of the QB reading the defense and setting protection which lead to that final second of inactivity is the important part. Give someone like Mahomes or Allen an extra second to read the defense and that could make a difference.
that being said the idea of a shot clock buzzer going off does seem nauseating. But with technology there is for sure a very easy solution out there.
Yet QBs like Mahomes and Allen - rarely take the play clock down - they try to get the defense in confused states rather than take it down to zero.
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1 hour ago, Utah John said:
The NFL has this strange procedure for calling delay of game penalties when the play clock expires. Sometimes it seems a QB will have a full extra second, but not always.
With all the high-resolution technology available for almost everything else, why use this subjective approach? When the play clock expires, sound a horn (like in basketball) and have lights on the sidelines go on, so no one can mistake when the snap is late. This seems like a very easy, and fair, way to go.
Sorry - I just don’t care that much and I think it is a terrible idea for football.
In basketball it is super annoying when the player clearly shoots the ball and the backboard lights up and a horn goes off for absolutely no reason.
Football - that would be 10x worse. They snap the ball and the horn sounds and someone stops or the scoreboard flashes and causes a momentary distraction.
the NFL could do a million things - they just don’t care as it does not give a team a true advantage.
They decided on a legitimate way and they recognize that the start timing is not 100% consistent - so like certain motion penalties- they provide a little leeway to ensure teams get the plays off rather than stopping and adding penalties.
If the NFL wants to really make it a non issue - stop allowing the networks to show the play clock.
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9 hours ago, bills6969 said:
Would you rather wrestle an alligator or listen to Colinsworth call a Chiefs game
Give me the Alligator every time.
Both may result in death, but the slow painful death of listening to Collinsworth is like an evil torture.
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20 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
I had to turn the volume down last night during the Collinsworth tongue bath of Patrick Mahomes. It was absolutely obnoxious, and honestly, I don’t know why they let him call Chiefs games anymore (or any other games).
What would you rather do than listen to one more game called by Collinsworth?
I’ll start. I’d rather listen to Lil’ Wayne cover the Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon album on repeat for 72 hours straight whilst sticking sewing needles in my junk.
I wouldn’t do anything more than what I do every time CC calls a game - I shut off the sound.
He is one of the worst announcers to listen to in terms of how he talks about players and his favoritism.
Therefore; we no longer listen at all to the broadcast and it is significantly better that way.
He really needs to learn to shut up - give a touch of insight and let the Play by play caller drive the game.
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17 hours ago, Don Otreply said:
They come out of the woodwork, that’s the home of all detractors, me, I just think a couple of minor changes would make the offense all the better, ie; taking a small number of open shorter outlet passes to move the chains instead of punting, but that’s likely just me…,
GO BILLS!!!
Is that on Dorsey though?
There are open options on all three levels - Josh decides where to put the ball.
Josh chose one on one 40 yard passes versus wide open quick dump offs.
They set up an RPO and a large majority of the time Josh pulls the ball and tries to fit a pass in. He is a hugely aggressive player and no OC will change that. He gets better and worse with coaching, but the aggressiveness that we love is there.
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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Listened to a Ravens insider last week, and Roman was not liked in Baltimore.
The consensus was he can design an outstanding run game, but never could do much with the pass. He described as a high-school level simplistic.
DeCosta is the long-time FO member there, so I would expect them to start investing more in pass catchers.
Unless they get a QB that can pass outside the numbers - I don’t think it matters how much they invest in pass catchers.
I think they have seen exactly what they have in Lamar and they invested correctly - big time TEs and guys to the middle of the field.
Long term unless they are moving on - this is a bad decision for the future of the team.
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On 1/16/2023 at 3:59 PM, The Red King said:
I started a post awhile back asking why we couldn't use a chip to determine where the ball is/was. Apparently they can do this, determining the Ravens QB was 0.5 yards short of the goal line.
As was stated in your other thread - they have had a chip in the ball for years. The reason it is an issue is syncing everything up and determine in a pile when the ball was down.
They also struggle with the Ball direction since it is not a sphere - the length of the ball is different depending on the angle - so all testing is in play, but nothing exact.
Every player and the foot balls are all chipped allowing tons of data to be used, but the only time it can really provide data is if the RB or QB in Huntley’s case are never down and no whistle blows. In that case they could get a fairly good idea of exactly how far the ball moved, but it still is not 100% accurate at this time, but provides realities data to confirm with visual images.
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2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:
The amount of commercials and the length of commercial breaks is so ridiculous at this point, it has killed the game. An NFL game should never be 4 hours. You are talking about 1 hour of clock time, and maybe 11 mins of actual game play.
The NFL knows there will be breaks for injuries and reviews, they should not be taking 5 mins commercials after a 1 min drive. Over and over again, 1 min will come off the clock, and after a punt, there is 5 mins of commercials.
I rarely watch prime time NFL games because I hate all the stoppages. On Sundays they have red zone and you pretty much avoid this nonsense.
It has become a chore to watch the Bills play exclusively, and at some point, it's just too boring to continue.
At least you have players making over 40 million a year. Props to the NFL for continuing to increase the cash flow, while selling a worse product.
The length of the game yesterday was not on the NFL - it was on the ***** QB play of the Dolphins. He had 27 incompletions and then with the clock not moving - they still took the play clock down to zero almost every play.
If you watched other games like the Giants game where they completed most passes and ran efficiently- the game was under 3 hours.
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16 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
We won't win next week playing this way. No need to listen to me, wait a few days.
Yeah because Cincinnati dominated Baltimore with a back-up QB.
I mean it is not like Baltimore was going in to take a lead and fumbled the ball for a TD the other way.
It is not like Cincinnati produced significantly less offense than Baltimore and got multiple timely turnovers that gave them short fields and allowed them to squeak out a win.
I mean my god Cincinnati must have put up one of the most dominating wins of the weekend.
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5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
Exactly. They thought they could sneak him through waivers and re sign the next day because he had done nothing up to that point. Joe Schoen and Daboll were familiar and grabbed him. It wasn’t anything to do with evaluation but rather a calculated risk vs releasing another player. It backfired and that happens when you have a deep roster.
Exactly.
They had a chance to grab him earlier in the season when he was cut by the Bills and moved to the PS originally. The Bills calculated he would make it and he did.
He got nabbed just after the trade deadline only because NYG traded a WR at that point freeing up the spot.
He had showed by that point he was the 6th best WR on our roster - so you have to make a roster move.
Just because he has been ok in NY getting playing time does not mean he would be able to do it here.
He had time with Dabol here and Dabol couldn’t use him - and if it was not for trading a WR - they never pick him up in NY.
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10 hours ago, Ralonzo said:
And if you decide to kick deep for touchbacks you still don't miss them even if you haven't got them.
Yeah - I mean it is not like we returned two kickoffs for TDs in the last 8 days or anything and 1 of them from several yards deep.
JHC this is so dumb I don’t even know what to say. Your brilliant plan is to kick deep - I don’t know where as all it takes is a bit of a breeze blowing the wrong direction and kickers can’t get it to the end zone. Plus you have punts, free kicks, etc.
You act like ST only cover kick-offs 🤦♂️ - you want to know the difference look no further than NE that saw ST cost them multiple games and help them win games.
It would be just one more thing for pathetic people to complain about rather than a guy the Bills liked, but was never going to play in this window.
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5 hours ago, Beck Water said:
They have a good DC who has been able to slow us down.As long as we don’t make stupid ass mistakes I expect the Bills to win handily but I don’t expect to see us relax and take our foot off the gas until the game is over.
I agree with most of the sentiment, but I really can not get behind the above. Do they really have a good DC in Miami?
They are 2 separate teams home and on the road - they are giving up under 20 pts per game at home, but when they go on the road - they are giving up significantly more on average - over 25 and closer to 30 pts per game and have a negative point differential overall on the season.
So if we consider their offense to be very good and the defense is giving up more points on the season - either the defense is bad or the offense is not as good as we suspect.
To the point of a DC that has been able to slow us down - We put up 497 yards of offense in game 1 and another 450 yards in game 2 with Josh throwing for 6 TDs and 0 Ints and getting 1 AFC player of the week honor. They have stopped us on a few drives and held us to FGs in the red zone sometimes, but basically in both games Josh has moved the Bills on most drives.
The last statement is 100% correct, but I expect after this game the Dolphins will be looking to move on from the this DC as with the talent they have and how they played (they have gone from 6th to 12th to 24th in points against the last 3 seasons).
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10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Just a little note that the section the reporters watched featured Tim Settle being attended by trainers and helped off - yet he isn’t listed as limited. So I don’t think one should rely 100% on what the reporters see as gospel. They’re good at reporting what they see, but players do spend more time getting treatments then come out and join practice. The Bills have also reported hammies and groin injuries that have not caused players to lose time as well as hammies that have kept players out 3 weeks. So I’d say we don’t know which this is, at this point.
As far as early Bease elevation “tipping a hand”, I feel that I’ve spelled out why I think that and with all respect, you’re doing the “lalalal not listening” thing, so I’m out. I”ll just point out once again that there is a large vocabulary of plays that Beasley used to run, that got taken out of the Bills playbook early in this season.
There are also a number of plays McKenzie runs that Beasley really can’t at this point - but Shakir could theoretically manage most of those and Hines many of the rest
What does “handshake work” mean? I’ve never heard that term
Says he was not seen throwing
Are they talking literally, handshakes, like Josh Allen’s handshakes with his crew?
So basically you don’t want the Bills to “tip their hand”, but by activating Beasley and forcing the Dolphins go back and gameplan for Beasley is a bad thing?
It is not lalalala crap - it is I genuinely do not understand what difference it makes if the Bills know the extent of the Hammy injury and expect that he is not going to play - why not get Cole activated. The Dolphins would have been planning for him - just as the Bills are planning for Skylar, but still watching for Bridgewater news.
The Biggest loss in all this to me is McK typically plays Hill in the scout team and now you have lost that.
We will see, but I expect (as you said in an earlier post) - you will have Cole doing his part, Shakir doing the man routes more, and Hines doing the heavy motion/sweeps.
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53 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Because it's "tipping your hand" offensively as to what game plan intentions may be
First of all...I don't think we even know yet that McK DNP'd. He wasn't out there during the media portion of practice, but it's not unprecedented for players the media didn't see to be listed as DNP
Do you really think that players on the PS aren't "involved and active 100%" without being officially elevated, especially if they know they're in the game plan?
Flip it around...even if this move is required, why does the GM make it now and not Saturday? Why tip off the Dolphins that maybe McKenzie's injury is significant and he'll be inactive? Why not leave them guessing?
Not really tipping your hand - McK pulled a hammy yesterday in practice - basically since then every Buffalo reporter has basically been saying he will not practice and based upon how the Bills treat soft tissue and muscle pulls - he will be out this weekend and depending on how bad it is maybe limited or out next week.
The Bills will have to list him on the injury report - so how big of a surprise that your slot guy can’t go would it be for the Bills to call up the PS slot guy that has done it before.
Why hide it at this point. The Bills are going to start and play the veteran slot guy and use Shakir as his back-up.
We are beyond the larger salary cap situation- so the call up doesn’t impact that.
I could understand for a physical issue - Phillips shoulder - that maybe you want to keep that close as he may or may not play, but a pure speed guy like McK with a pulled Hammy - they are not going to risk that when they have a player like Cole ready to go.
As to the question of are PS players as invested - it depends on the player - most of them are only seeing time right now as scout duty, but activating a guy like Cole also tells the team - here is what we expect and who will be doing what.
I don’t think McD at this point is trying to figure out how to trick the Dolphins - he is ready just line us up and go play - we are the better team and have been in both meetings.
1 hour ago, Beck Water said:Because it's "tipping your hand" offensively as to what game plan intentions may be
First of all...I don't think we even know yet that McK DNP'd. He wasn't out there during the media portion of practice, but it's not unprecedented for players the media didn't see to be listed as DNP
Do you really think that players on the PS aren't "involved and active 100%" without being officially elevated, especially if they know they're in the game plan?
Flip it around...even if this move is required, why does the GM make it now and not Saturday? Why tip off the Dolphins that maybe McKenzie's injury is significant and he'll be inactive? Why not leave them guessing?
And now it is official - DNP for McK - just as reported in the section the reporters watch.
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15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Good points but one caveat on the last one:
RPO in the original sense "run pass option" need not involve the QB, correct? It technically just involves a running back and a passing threat
I think you're talking about a so called "triple option" or "triple threat" RPO, where the QB can either hand off, pass, or keep it himself and run (which does indeed require a mobile QB who presents a run threat.
Sounds like he must have injured his hammy during practice yesterday. Sucks that we might not have him available as an emergency DB.
The thing is, Beane had no need to make this move today. He could make it on Saturday.
That's why I think it may be strategic.
Why would it matter today versus Saturday?
You have an injury to McKenzie who is DNP and not practicing - you know you need to bring up a WR and a DL - this gets him involved and active 100%.
Since we are in the playoffs - there is no longer a cost to brining him up.
He already walked off the TB team and has stated this was the only place he was coming back to - so I don’t really see a strategy or another team trying to take him.
I see an injury that is taking out your starter and you activating his replacement giving you maximum flexibility come this weekend.
Maybe I am wrong, but nothing suggests he was going anyplace and they needed this action and everything suggests the injury sustained by McK yesterday in practice makes this move required to provide WR slot depth.
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11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
What happened with McKenzie, went into practice yesterday healthy, got hurt in practice and landed into the limited category.
Now today he is not practicing.
Bills were already playing a short rotation at DT with Phillips not close to 100%.
Per the reports - he tweaked a Hammy.
I would expect him out this week and hence the Beasley call up.
Gives them multiple people at Slot - although Shakir was already seeing a nice increase in workload.
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36 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:
Why wouldn't they sign Brown and call up Beasley??
34 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:It's possible a team tried to poach Beasley from our practice squad, so we signed him to 53 to match the $
Because the injured player he is being called up for is McKenzie in the slot.
You don’t sign Brown to the roster to fill a slot need - you sign the slot guy.
Yes if no one else gets injured it matters very little if it is Brown or Beasley, but with Phillips already injured and we are short at DT and DE - another injury like Settle may mean you have to call up two DL players and then you are stuck with Brown, Diggs, Davis on the outside and only Shakir as a slot WR.
I don’t think it has anything to do with anything other than proper roster maintenance.
They plugged in for the injury.
37 minutes ago, StHustle said:I’m confused why they signed him to the 53 with unlimited call ups? Seems Brown was more deserving of its for contractual reasons.
Beasley can reject it. He wouldn’t be forced to go to another team
McKenzie Hamstring injury - he is most likely out at least this game and maybe next week.
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7 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:
Why Atlanta which is so far away from both cities?
Why not Indy, Cincy or even Chicago?
Doesn't seem to me like the NFL took fans travel time and costs into consideration here.
Indy was the first spot looked at and they declined - Have a huge volleyball tournament in town eating up hotel space.
Cincy was eliminated do to being outside and why would the Bills want to go there after the Monday night event.
Chicago is also outside and a smaller venue. From all of the discussions - they were looking for a neutral site that would not be impacted by the weather and a city that would not be biased against either team.
Their preference seemed to be a domed NFC stadium or Indy in a no division city. They tried Indy, Detroit, and Atlanta as their 3 primary venues. Detroit and Indy were unavailable - so it defaulted toward Atlanta.
I think in reality the NFL did take a lot of consideration into making the call - Atlanta is a major airline hub - so fairly easy to get direct flights in and out.
The weather should be fine and the dome will ensure the game is played in perfect conditions.
For everything that screws us over - this seems like an excellent location that should be highly accommodating and will provide a venue that Bills fans can travel to and many are already in the area.
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1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:
Probably means that some team tried to poach him from our PS so we had to elevate him to the 53
No - McKenzie came up with a Hamstring and was limited in practice.
This allows you to have an entire healthy WR room and sit McKenzie to get the hamstring healthy.
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18 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:
Well they don't really have to anymore since they were fired
But they were not fired for anything that occurred in the game - both the NFL and the NFLPA agreed the protocols as written were followed and the INC was not at fault.
The NFLPA fired him because in their meetings he acted like most doctors can when questioned and got ticked at how they were questioning him and trying to lay blame - so he became combative with their attorney.
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On 1/9/2023 at 1:04 AM, chongli said:
He should be sorry - terrible job coaching and getting nothing out of the year.
He played a QB the entire game that was terrible (although none of them were good) - he should of started to switch things around to try and spark the team - they needed a frickin FG at some point - even if you stick the 3rd string guy in and let him run - you get more than from Flacco.
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Brandon Beane admitting fault & not learning from his mistakes.
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Agreed and Teller has thrived in a run first - heavy run offense - which the Bills would not have been.
Teller still struggles when the Browns are forced to throw and teams don’t respect the run.
His pass blocking is not great and although he might be a slight improvement here - I doubt he is anywhere near the same player on a pass heavy - pass first team.