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22 hours ago, eball said:
I'm amazed by how many fans don't want to acknowledge the concept of quantity (multiple "good" players) over quality (a true WR1) when you have an all-world QB who can distribute the ball.
It puts SO much more pressure on the defense when they can't just try to take away one strength.
Guys still have to get open. It doesn't help Josh if he's continually having to go to his 3rd/ 4th/5th read cuz 1st and 2nd are covered. Sacks will go up.
You can't mask quality with quantity.
We're taking a chance that guys will either step up or reverse their career trajectory to date. No one, besides perhaps Cook and Kincaid, are proven and even those guys have only one year of demonstrated success-
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5 hours ago, Logic said:
I agree.
As someone who has been vocal the past few weeks about our WR room not being up to snuff, I feel a bit better about it today than I did on May 1st.
MVS, while not a world beater, adds some depth and downfield ability. Claypool so far is saying and doing all the right things, and if he actually has his head screwed on straight, has shown in the past that he has the ability to be an 800 yards per year type talent. I've been focusing more on what Coleman potentially CAN do than what he CAN'T do, and that has softened my apprehension about him at least a little bit. Beane talked up Shakir as being underrated on the Chris Long show, and I suspect he may have a big role this year.
I said all along that if they weren't gonna have top quality, then I at least wanted them to have quantity and variety. With Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, MVS, Claypool, Hollins, and then a Shorter/Shavers/Hamler deathmatch....I think the WR group may be fine. I still don't think it's gonna make anyone's top 10 lists, but combined with Kincaid/Knox, Cook/Davis, and the way Brady likes to spread the ball around, I think the Bills still have a chance to be pretty good on offense.
All of that said...I still hope they draft, sign, or trade for a dynamic WR in 2025, and I'd still be fine with them acquiring one post June 1st this year as well, though I give it an extremely low chance of happening.
Sounds like McDermott is pretty optimistic with Claypool, so doubt we do anything June 1. More likely, wait and see what happens in camp with this ragtag group.
The MVS signing gave me more hope and if Claypool has his head on straight again, we could have a pick your poison type WR committee, where a different guy steps up each game. It will certainly be harder for DCs to gameplan for us to take away our one strength (considering we don't have one!)
5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:He looks like Kincaid did under a similar situation last year. Just a natural at snagging the ball and turning upfield.
He'll need to play where Kincaid plays though, lined up inside against LBs or slot WRs. He'll get manhandled outside by bigger NFL CBs
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Kincaid is going to have 100+ catches this year
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On 5/14/2024 at 7:36 PM, DrMaxPower said:
This place has been miserable AF since the draft. The worst it's been since 'Wrong Josh'.
Everyone wanted a Playstation for Christmas but when they came downstairs, there was a bike with socks and underwear. Instead of realizing that there's nothing wrong with a bike and we really needed new socks and gotch, it's tantrum time.
Are we going to have to endure this endless whining for the next 6 months? Sounds like a fun way to be a fan...
Last off-season people were losing their minds because they intended to run Spencer Brown back out there and they didn't sign a MLB. They said their guys were in house and they believed in their development. Seems to have worked out OK. That's what good teams do.
Can we not take a breath and wait and see? 2nd best record in the league over the last 5 years says they deserve at least a bit of confidence. They aren't the morons people want to make them out to be.
I'll admit it, Bernard was a pleasant surprise at MLB. But he ultimately didn't hold up a full season, as an undersized MLB. A risk we will run every year. But I was right in that we still didn't do enough to get over the hump. We needed a better option outside of Gabe Davis and Harty and Sheffield were not it.
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Sorry, not buying this one Shaw.
A record 7 WRs went in the 1st round (3 in top 10). 0 RBs
The franchise tag for WRs is $21.8M. For RBs it's $11.9M.
Where you're right, is that NFL success is driven as much by work ethic and learning the crafts of the trade as it is speed or other measurables. Mid round guys have the talent and if they have the work ethic they can excel.
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3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:
Never said Diggs wasn’t a talent, but his game did fall off a bit last part of last season, had lots of drops by his own standards, as I said previously, 4 TDs in his post season career thus far, even with Allen forcing passes to him all season long.
Imo Davis will not be missed, he has a chronic ankle injury, that negatively effected his availability and performance annually, I am not worried about our receiver corp this year, you can bet the ball is going to be spread around considerably more without Diggs, which will have the effect of the defenses we face not being nearly as certain where the pass is going to go.
Also consider that with Diggs in his prime the team didn’t get it done, ya can’t endlessly rinse and repeat, ya gotta make changes at some point, and that is exactly what is happening in front of us, change upsets folk, we like the myth of consistency…,
Not mad about moving on from Diggs, except we didn't really do so. We replaced Davis with Keon and Diggs with.... no one.
Hoping Josh can raise the level of others around him.
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They actually play slightly different positions - Knox and Kincaid. Knox plays on the line and Kincaid plays the move TE role.
They could actually be co-starters.
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44 minutes ago, SCBills said:
Judging by Embedded, if we didn't go Ray Davis, it was going to be Van Pran-Granger, who we got a round later.
I'm not in love with spending a 4th on a RB. That said.. I do think Brady's Offense likes having good receivers as backs. When Cook comes out and Davis goes in, we might not have the down field WR routes that Cook can run, but Davis is an above average receiving back, so we still can operate the same offense regardless of who's in the game.
We're going to play alot shallow concepts - either RB, TE or WR. I like the MVS signing in that he's a proven outside guy that can at least be a threat to keep Defenses from attacking the short zones on every play. We will need some diversity in route trees, getting depth on each play, in order to allow the under stuff to thrive. Keon might bring some of that, but we'll need a faster outside WR to step up too, either Hamler, Hollins, Claypool, or MVS. It's still not inspiring a lot of confidence, but the MVS signing gives me a little more hope.
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1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:
Diggs didn’t = Diggs last season or in the playoffs, four total TDs in his post season career, not great for a #1,
Davis constantly hobbled by his ankle and then shoulder was a fine wr4 but a failed wr2, he won’t be missed. MVS is actually not a walking injury, fingers crossed 🤞 there,
Hollins is a step upfrom Sherfield,
Coleman is very likely going to be an upgrade to Davis, in which he can catch footballs when they are thrown to him, 😁👍
add in Shakir Kincaid Cook and Samual all is not lost,
Diggs not being Diggs at the end of last year is as much Brady as anyone else. He also consistently drew the best CBs or double teams, leaving options open for Shakir and others. Despite that all he still had over 100 catches and 1100 yds, only 3rd most catches in a season by a Bills WR ever. We will miss him.
We needed an upgrade from Davis, but it ain't MVS
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11 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
You can argue that Beane could have done more (I can see an argument for Troy Franklin at pick 95 but I also don’t think this teams fortunes are going to rest on if they took a WR in late round 3). But after losing Diggs, Harry, Sherfield and Davis: Beane has done a decent job of attempting to replacing them.
Hollins is a better version of Sherfield, Samuel is a nice vet addition, Coleman was the teams top pick invested into the position. They added MVS who is a better receiver than Harry or Sherfield and they are kicking the tires on Claypool, Hamler and Isabella again. That’s in addition to Shorter coming in off his red shirt season.
The Bills also invested 3 additional picks at other spots along the offense. Davis, Van Pran and Grabel all add depth to the offense and Van Pran may be a starter.
Given the limited resources I think they have put together a solid offense for Josh. They also have the 2025 draft capital and the ability to add 6 million more in space by restructuring the rest of Josh’s contract both of which can assist in an in season trade if there is more help needed.
Bills made a conscious decision to not prioritize WR this offseason. We'll see if it works.
Coleman does not = Diggs
MVS does not = Davis
Samuel is the only upgrade, over Harty
Hollins = Sherfield
They're definitely going for the committee approach. But I'm worried the threat of the explosive play, big chunk (15+ yds) is pretty much absent, meaning D's will stack the box making it harder to run and do much with the short passing game. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
MVS can get down the field. He adds a skill that I’ve thought the WR room lacked. The Bills didn’t have a guy to run those Gabe Davis routes. MVS is good at that. He’s not a great WR but adds that dimension. I am good with the signing. If he hits 3 or 4 big plays this season it could make the difference in 1 or 2 wins. This division should be pretty close so 1 or 2 wins could be the difference in a home playoff game or missing the playoffs all together.
The WR room is still a bottom 3 group. It’s better today than it was yesterday. We should feel good about that.
Agree. He adds an element outside that wasn't there before he signed.
Not a #1 or even a #2, but can keep Defenses honest
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On 5/9/2024 at 10:36 AM, Charles Romes said:
Thought Beane would at least use one of the 7th rounders on a PK rather than hope for the best with Bass. When kickers hit the wall it’s usually for real.
Agree. Something was off with Bass last year. And I don't know how easily a kicker regains his confidence.
McD seemed to lose confidence in him as the year went along - rarely going for 50+yds - and it culminated with that final kick.
They once said Haack was the best holder in the game, maybe Martin isn't (with Haack holding in 2021, Bills' kicker Tyler Bass posted a career-best 87.5 success rate on field goals and made all 51 extra-point attempts.). So I guess by bringing Haack back to compete, they're trying to address that issue.
I don't know, Bass should be a little more resilient.
28 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:He may have not been the reason we lost, but he certainly didn’t help. He also kept the Steelers in the game with a 27 yard duck hook. You can’t let kickers crush your soul and don’t get emotionally tied to a kicker. They should be automatic.
If the Bills are going to play a plodding, ball control style of offense they absolutely need an automatic kicker. They can't chew up 8 mins of the clock and then shank a FG. There is absolutely no room for error with that style of O and there is really no room for error in the playoffs either against quality teams. Your kicker can be the difference between losing in the division round every year to bringing home a few Lombardis. Just ask Tom Brady
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12 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
For 4.5m the Bills should have picked this guy up. I highly doubt they trade for DHop like a few seem to think.
Boyd is more of a slot guy. We've already got like 5 of those
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On 5/4/2024 at 6:07 PM, First Round Bust said:
double down...best I can tell no position on the team will carry two rookies on the active roster, that is keeper draft choices not exposed to being cut-waved...you want one on the active roster and PS ? then I think we can find somethug come the Sept big cut, serves the same purpose but saves draft capital ?
More concerned with who is going to return kicks and punts, not sure that specialist is on the roster and I dont think they trust a rook to do that.
Ty Johnson on KOs
Shakir on punts....
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Fitz all the way.
Diggs was most productive. Reich was around the longest, but Fitz is and will always be a fan favorite and a guy who LOVES Buffalo and will tell everyone so. His legend has only grown since he left.
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14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
I think have a top QB like Allen can make a WR who isn't considered top 10 look like he's all Pro. For those reasons I'm not as worried about the WR group as many here.
Recall what supposedly told Diggs when he first got here, just get open and catch the ball, I don't care about anything else. Can see that being the case this year again too. Now admittedly with a rookie , the knowing how to get open at the NFL level can be a bit tougher than he may think, may take some time whomever it was.
I think Allen can do some of that, but he's not Brady or Rodgers. Even Brady has Randy Moss, Gronk, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, etc... guys that were all-pros without Brady. Allen needs guys that can actually catch his rockets and because of his arm he can hit passes that Brady could never have made, opening up different areas of the field, especially downfield. But with Joe Brady's dink and dunk offense and Beane's decision to not get speedier WRs, we're wasting one of Allen's talent of attacking downfield
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It's a good point, but I think that's why most swallowed the Diggs trade as necessary medicine.
But to not double-down in the draft with such available talent, have many scratching their heads
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13 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Huh?
Hamler runs a 4.27
Samuel runs a 4.31
Isabella runs a 4.33
Shakir runs a 4.42
Claypool runs a 4.42
Doesn't seem that slow to me.
You guys are delusional
Hamler will be on IR all season
Samuel is a McKenzie/Harty+. He'll be great, if used right
Isabella is PS
Shakir is a short-area slot
Claypool won't make the team
We didn't replace Diggs or Davis combination of speed/hands/routes/size. Coleman is the closest to replacing Davis, but not really on downfield stuff
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I think they're releasing one game of the schedule per night, via a primetime broadcast. We'll know the full schedule by August
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3 hours ago, Roundybout said:
Ok come on. We can’t have it both ways. People complain that Beane only drafts team leaders and pure choir boys, then they complain when we sign people with checkered pasts.guys with checkered pasts ....who suck. Claypool and Ophelius (what ever his name is, former Det WR).
I'll take a checkered past if he's solid. Like when Calvin Ridley was available for a trade and Jax got him
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
I would have liked Chark, but he signed for $5M. Beane couldn't sign him until after June 1st with the cap the way it is.
Can't blame Chark for taking the money now.
You really think Beane was ever going to sign Chark or OBJ? We've seen how much he loves bargain bin shopping for WRs.
Claypool and Mack Hollins are this year's Sheffield and Harty.
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2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
They want BIG and Athletic. Speed is good, don't get me wrong, but they are seeming to push for big, physical WR's and that is what Joe Brady had his year as OC with HIS offense down at LSU. No more getting bullied at the LOS, and hopefully a lot more contested balls. It also brings a greater Catch radius for Allen to hit on when his passes are slightly off.
Look I get it, Fans want splash they want exciting and we tried that with smaller, faster WR's and it didn't work. I am excited to see this new approach to be honest, and if we get the running game going, then we are going to see somewhat less exciting 8, 10,12+ play drives that eat the clock and keep guys like Mahomes and Kelce on the bench and hopefully lead to more TD's.
Hopefully more TDs is the big "?"
drive the entire field and stall in the red zone and miss a FG.
no opportunities on the roster for quick strikes makes the margin of error small
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14 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:
I'd rather have D.J Clark but unsure of everything lol
Well we missed out on both.
But good thing we got Chase Claypool!!
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59 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
He's been absolutely terrible a couple of years running. Miami took him on this season and he did nothing there. They don't want him.
But they just signed OBJ instead.
So we're taking their leftovers?
And you can't say Claypool is high character.
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It really hinges on Davis, who is entirely unproven in the NFL - particularly his pass blocking abilities. His college tape looks good, but to anoint this the best backfield in Bills history is a bit much. Damien Harris and Latavius Murry were better, more proven backs at the start of last year. Didn't end up working out all that well. Not bad in terms of vet leadership, but not really very explosive.
Cooks is a really good starter, but he needs to be spelled. He is not the biggest guy and has had his ball security issues. Hoping Davis picks up pro protection schemes quickly and turns into a great backup.