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6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Nah. Not so.
You said, "They should have been drafting one in almost every draft in days 1 and 2," and actually nobody does that.
The Bills have used a first (Diggs) and traded another 1st back to a very early second (Keon) and a 2nd for Zay Jones in 2017.
The Chiefs used a 1st in 2019 for Mecole, a 1st for Worthy this year and a 2nd for Skyy Moore in 2022, and that also goes all the way back to 2017.
Pretending those are more than very slightly different is flat-out ridiculous.
The Bengals used a 2024 3rd for Jermaine Burton, a 2021 1st for Chase, a 2020 2nd for Higgins and a 2017 1st for John Ross. That's a difference, basically, of one 3rd rounder more, in eight years of drafting. The difference is that they sucked and so had a 5 pick to use on Chase. #5s are more likely to be dominant than the late rounders.
The Eagles? A 1st in 2021 (DeVonta) and 2020 (Raegor), a 3rd in 2019 (Arcega-Whiteside). That's it since 2017. Again, extremely comparable to the Bills.
9ers? A 2024 1st in Pearsall, a 2023 3rd (Danny Gray), a 2020 1st in Aiyuk and a 2019 2nd in Deebo and 3rd in Jalen Hurd. And a 2018 2nd in Dante Pettis. That's more than the Bills.
The Bills thought they had Diggs again this year. When they didn't, guess what, they targeted an early WR. This is how teams work, they look at what they need, and they hope for needs to meet what's available when they pick, and sometimes that happens and sometimes it doesn't.
When you only look at two or three years you're deeply bending what you're looking at, because of a low sample size.
You missed out on the Eagles, they traded a 1st (and 4th?) for AJ Brown
You also have to compare the decisions teams made despite already having talent at WR.
Bengals had Boyd and Higgins and still drafted Chase.
Chiefs had Tyreek Hill and Kelce and still drafted Hardman.
Niners got Pearsall on top of Aiyuk and Deebo.
Meanwhile Bills didn't draft a WR until Keon, but after they already got rid of Diggs (and Davis)
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I'm not sure MVS makes the squad at this point. Claypool is gone. Coleman looks lost/ineffective.
So far Hollins is the only signing besides Samuel that is making a decent contribution. And that's not exactly comforting.
Dare we look at the trade market a little more in earnest??
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I guess Curtis Samuel sat out the last game, so that's why we got a lot of Keon, Hollins and Shakir 3 WR looks.
But in 12 personnel and in normal 3 WR sets, who do we expect to be out there?
12 - Kincaid, Knox, Samuel and ... Shakir?
3 WRs - Does Hollins start with Samuel and Shakir? or is Keon in their with Hollins with only one of the slot guys at a time?
I can't say I've seen a lot of Samuel and Shakir on the field at the same time but they seem to be our best WRs, by far. Has Samuel been playing Z?
I still find it hard to believe that Hollins is leading the competition for the X role, even if Keon will eventually replace him.
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3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Brandon beane doesn't belong on this list, because if you can't nail top two round picks regularly, what's the point?
That's how you end up with a "good" roster that lacks game changing talent.
Otherwise, this is a decent enough list
I will say, however, it seems he knows how to draft and find tight ends, which is a plot twist
Agree.
The Coleman trade down selection is not looking great so far, coupled with refusing to add a real FA replacement
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Really hope we're kicking the tires on the Ayiuk trade option. Doesn't sound like we are though....
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18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
He gets compared to Hitler because it’s catchy and campy, and citizens who lived through the era/aftermath of the Hitler era have largely died off. Had people lobbed that silliness 15-20 years ago the general response would have been laughter and a hearty GTFOH.
His own VP compared him to Hitler due to his white supremacist, anti-immigrant/ethnic rants. I don't think it's necessarily fair, but in the current context of resurgence fascism, ethno-nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment it is worth remembering the lessons learned from WWII. Trump does a lot of fear-mongering and ethnicity-baiting reminiscent of a dark human history that was not that long ago. Don't be so quick to dismiss the evil sides of human nature. We have not evolved that much since the 1940s, or even the 1960s.
18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:He’s addressing the massive elephant in the room, and that’s illegal immigration.
It's not an elephant in the room. It's a chronic, complex problem that we have been trying to deal with - both Dem and Republicans - for decades. There are push and pull factors. Trump's simplistic, appealing solution was to build a massive wall. But there are many many issues caused by US intervention that drive people out of their countries for a better life. This is not a new issue.
18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:He did say lots of other stuff.
Ah, the HRC version of hate speech was a “regrettable mistake”. 😂 Those comments didn’t cost her the bid, nor did her blatant disregard for national secrets. In fact, it barely caused a stir among her very fervent supporters. What cost her the election that in spite of the lift she got because she was once married to a president, she is almost mythically unlikable and quite uninspiring as a human being.
Yeah, HRC and Biden both are pretty unlikeable. Trump would have been destroyed by Obama. Unfortunately the Dems post-Obama are in such disarray.
I don't care really that much about national politics and parties and such, but I do think Trump is a dangerous wild card and I do think we need some federal level checks on the innate human tendencies of discrimination, racism and environmental exploitation.
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37 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
I see you're not a serious poster. I assumed as much, but thanks for confirming it.
I'm just calling your complete ignorance as to what anti-communist means. Do you even know what communism is?
Did you not know that Hitler fought Soviet communism and that in WWII when we aligned with the Soviet Union it was a marriage of convenience to take down Hitler's, at the time, much worse brand of fascism. So you are anti-communist and pro-fascist?
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14 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Yep. He also has since said he was wrong to do so.
I'll wait for any democrat or media member who has also made the same Trump Hitler comparison (long list) to publicly say that they were wrong to do so.
When do you suppose those public apologies might begin to help with turning down the temperature?
Just noticed your avatar. Hitler was anti-communist, so you should actually be flattered that Trump is compared to Hitler. It means he is a true fighter of the red scourge and should be celebrated....
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1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:
He was supposed to miss by 8 feet and clipped his ear? Yeah sounds as feasible as all the Ray Epps/Jewish space laser crazies.
Just saying, the conspiracies can but both ways. If you want to dabble in that.
Turns out securing the building and roof were the responsibility of the local police. Obviously, the Trump campaign struck a deal with the local police to give the shooter access to the roof to set up the fake assassination attempt (after all shooter was a registered Republican and noted right winger). He was supposed to miss by a good deal more, but obviously got too close for comfort. Nonetheless, mission accomplished. Make America Great Again!
(I'm being sarcastic, in case you need that spelled out for you)
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Obviously he was planted by the Trump campaign for the fake assassination attempt.
No surer way to win than turn Trump into a living martyr through a kid with crap aim
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2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:
Maybe, just maybe stop calling Trump who admittedly can be unconventional and bombastic, Hitler and a dictator.
Might be a good start towards healing "false divisions" after eight years of hammering he's Hitler rhetoric into the heads of half the country.
Just saw that JD Vance once likened Trump to Hitler
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18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
I think a lot of people have a rational concern for the violence building up in this country. And I honestly don't think we would actually get to a civil war.
Anything is possible though, for sure, and you always have to be considering the potential dangers of such a volatile political climate, such as it is right now.
I think the only thing holding us together as a nation is football. We can all agree on it and come together to cheer our team, without reference to political party
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16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Trump did not vilify "immigrants", he spoke to illegal immigration...a major problem resulting in death and despair on both sides of the border for several decades. He was hardly the only politician to use strong language in that regard, there is plenty of footage of democrats discussing the vast challenges at our southern border pre-Trump. Frankly, if the combined brain trust of R/D/I politicians over the past 50 years had the common sense to establish a viable border crossing, many, many, many lives would have been spared.
He called them animals and not human, just the other day.
rapists and murderers
"They're destroying the blood of our country. That's what they're doing. They're destroying our country,"
(Which is why he gets compared to Hitler)
There area tons of other examples.
He's not talking policy choices about immigration, he's peddling hate.
16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:I did not agree with the Muslim ban, and it was subsequently corrected.
Trump's call was for peaceful protest, but I can understand how a non-supporter might be willing to ignore the "peaceful" part of the equation.
See other comment. He did say "peaceful" but lots of other stuff
16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:Reagan was an incredible, other-worldly communicator, McCain and Romney both incredibly weak candidates--if that's your standard, why bother?
Good to see you think Biden is part of the problem, though you missed HRC. Calling 35-40 million Americans 'deplorable' and 'irredeemable' because they disagree with you is pretty hateful imo.
Yeah, "deplorables" was a regrettable mistake that ignored serious concerns of Trump supporters. And it ultimately killed her bid. Trump was a new phenomenon then and poorly understood. ..... still I didn't know Trump supporters were so sensitive over that one word. It's not like she called them "rapists and murderers"
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35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Both lies. He told protesters to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol.
He pre authorized up to 20k national guard which local authorities must request first by law for it to be deployed.
Both the DC mayor and house/senate sergeants at arms refused to make official NG tequest.
They're not lies. But the facts are a bit grey in areas, which is why they need to have a full trial. He told the crowd he won, the election was stolen, go fight like hell, but then go to peacefully and patriotically. I guess no one heard the peaceful part.
NG was authorized, but by Trump to protect his supporters. There were 4 hours between Capitol police request for NG backup. Its not exactly clear what happened, but it is clear that Trump did nothing to make it happen, despite people requesting him to do so.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/us/politics/national-guard-january-6-riot.html
35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:Wrong. Four people died at the Capitol on J6. All Trump supporters. No law enforcement officers died on J6.
You've probably only heard one name before, reliable media and all, but here are the names of the only four people who died at the Capitol on J6.
Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, Kevin Greeson, Benjamin Phillips.
you're either being purposely deceitful, or just repeating what you heard. "on" J6 is a technicality, but nice try.
Capitol Police Brian Sicknick died the day after Jan 6 after being attacked by the mob
Ashli Babbit was shot while trying to break into the Capitol
Rosanne Boyland was trampled to death by fellow rioters
Kevin Greeson had a heart attack while storming the Capitol
Benjamin Phillips had a stroke on his way to the Capitol
Three other Capitol police died by suicide a few months later, from the trauma
35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:Maybe, just maybe stop calling Trump who admittedly can be unconventional and bombastic, Hitler and a dictator.
Might be a good start towards healing "false divisions" after eight years of hammering he's Hitler rhetoric into the heads of half the country.
I admit calling him Hitler is not helpful, even if his policies and tone are reminiscent. There are better ways to discuss policy differences.
However, fascism is resurgent around the world and Trump's penchant for hobnobbing with dictators is concerning.
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27 minutes ago, B-Man said:
Well certainly more that VP Biden claiming that Mitt Romney was going to put "Blacks back in chains"
No ?
At least he was attacking the candidate and his policies, not an entire segment of humanity (like immigrants or Muslims)
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30 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
When you say "he ratcheted up the hate and vitriol", what was the standard pre-Trump? What constituted hate and vitriol at an acceptable, pre-ratcheted level?
Go watch Reagan, G HW Bush or even McCain or Mitt Romney debate. They didn't vilify immigrants and call them criminals and murderers. No one ever proposed a "muslim ban", not even after 9/11. No president ever incited his followers to storm the Capitol to try and stop the certification of votes.
Newt Gingrich used to be the poster child for Republican hate and vitriol, but he is pretty friggin mild in comparison to Trump.
The tenor of our politics has gotten so much worse than it ever was, despite relatively minor problems in comparison to the past. There is no Vietnam War or civil rights movement, for example. Now the politicians are the ones creating the problems and stoking the flames. Biden also deserves his fair share of blame, but he's not been nearly as bad as Trump over the past 8 years.
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2 hours ago, B-Man said:
An Assassination Attempt on Trump Has Been the Dems' Goal All Along
STEPHEN KRUISER
Some part of me would like to say that the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump was "shocking," but it really wasn't. It was awful and depressing, of course, but I can't say that I was shocked.
The Democrats have done everything they could since 2016 to make last Saturday happen, dutifully aided and abetted by their flying monkeys in the mainstream media. I use word unhinged a lot when writing about the Left, not because I have a limited vocabulary, but because it's the most accurate description of the way that they have been behaving since Trump was elected.
Matt wrote yesterday that Tucker Carlson had predicted this last year:
“If you begin with criticism, then you go to protest, then you go to impeachment, now you go to indictment and none of them work. What’s next? Graph it out, man. We’re speeding towards assassination, obviously," he said in an interview with comedian and podcaster Adam Carolla.
I had forgotten all about that. As Matt's post details, the MSM hacks were all over Carlson for that, calling it a conspiracy theory.
If there is one thing that we on the Right have learned since the pandemic, it's that "conspiracy theory" is leftist code for "They're correct, but we can't admit that."
The reaction from the Left has been pathetic and predictable. There have been a lot of variations of "Well, he kind of brought this on himself." David Frum vomited up some drivel at The Atlantic where he tried to draw a line connecting Trump supporters who legally open carry at rallies and the guy who tried to kill Trump.
The New York Times Editorial Board wrote an Opinion piece titled "The Attack On Trump Is Antithetical to America," which is rich coming from a group of people who preside over a stable of columnists who regularly compare Trump to Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, while telling everyone that a Trump election will destroy democracy. They keep the Trump hate turned up to 11 at the Times all day, every day.
Democrats and their media lapdogs can continue to pretend that they don't condone violence, but hateful rhetoric about Donald Trump has been their brand for eight years now. Let's not forget the generous assist that they have been getting from the Never Trumpers all this time.
We can be grateful that Trump survived while we mourn the tragic death of Corey Comperatore, who died protecting his family.
As for the calls from the Left to tone things down, I won't be holding my breath while waiting for that to happen.
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When Trump came on the political scene he ratcheted up the hate and vitriol. He attacked immigrants, muslims, disabled people, etc... He hasn't really stopped or toned it down. If anything it's gotten worse. He incited the January 6 riot and then refused to call in the national guard to stop it. Policemen serving our nation died. His supporters even said they wanted to hang his own VP. What's the old saying: "you reap what you sow". Trump has sowed hatred and violence his entire, brief political career and his followers have taken their cues. So, it's not particularly surprising.
Now, unfortunately, Trump has brought the entire political system down into the gutter with him. The Dems are also now frothing at the mouth to dispose of Trump and their rhetoric is often just as inflammatory. Politicians have taken what should be civil policy discourse and turned it into a life or death struggle. And the people have followed suit. It's totally ridiculous. You want to know what real struggle is? Go to Sudan, or Gaza or Ukraine, or go spend a night in a Rohingya refugee camp. This country doesn't need to be fighting in this way over relatively minor differences. We've created false divisions and are all up in arms over relatively nothing.
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10 hours ago, Bockeye said:
Agreed.
This is where Libs like you go off the rails.
Conservatives believe in the constitution and Bill of Rights.
Libs want:-To ban freedom of speech
-To get rid of the 2nd amendment
-To allow illegal aliens freely into our country
-To create a nanny state
-Rekindle racism
-Force individuals to comply with the government by any means necessary
The list goes on…..
I’m curious (and probably correct), but you strike me as someone who has had a rough life and relied upon government subsidies to get through OR possibly too much indoctrination in universities with degree stacking but not many results.
Not sure if you're just trolling here....
- Ain't no one trying to ban freedom of speech. Hate speech (Nazis) is allowed in the US as opposed to other countries
- Gun control is needed and can be done while respecting the 2nd amendment. It's about how to interpret that age-old clause from another era
- Immigration is broken. there should be more open immigration for Latinos, but Congress refuses to increase the numbers, so people do it illegally. It's complex but Libs want a more human solution
- Everyone wants a nanny state. Libs want more environmental protection and conservatives more police and law and order.
- Rekindle racism?? Have you forgotten which party supported Jim Crow and segregation and which states still only vote for that party? Muslim ban, anyone? I don't see Libs peddling in race-based hate
- I'm pretty sure conservatives love law and order - that means complying with the government by any means necessary. You know who doesn't like complying the government - anarchists
Most of these are policy issues with a lot of grey area that should be part of a normal civil discourse. Its just nuts how people in the US have created these false divisions between "libs" and "conservatives" and political parties, when really we're often talking about the same thing, just through different lens. There are no real deep-seated ethnic or geographical grievances (unless you're Black, then you have some legit grievances), so we fabricate new labels so we can have an excuse to fight.
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6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels stated in The Communist Manifesto and later works that "the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy" and universal suffrage, being "one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat.”I cant' believe people are still talking about communists and red bastards, etc... there are no Communists left. If anything, based on the Communist Manifesto, Trump is more communist. Except he's not, because he's a a fascist populist.
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to be carved into the side of a mountain, it has to has to have been a major jerk. There are a number to chose from in the era of futility, but I'm going with:
1. Rex Ryan - worst coach in team history, set the team back after insisting on transitioning a solid 4-3 to his preferred 3-4. I'd put Russ Brandon up there with him fo. Doug Marrone comes in a close second for being such a jerk.
2. Russ Brandon - for basically causing the entire era of futility, with bad coaches/GMs and draft picks. Tom Donahue is a close second, but I at least appreciated the effort by bringing in Bledsoe.
3. Willis McGhee - the Toronto comment will forever keep him on our sh!t list
4. Rob Johnson - we would have won the SB that year with Flutie. He was such a bad fit, Cali surfer dude. I thought about doing a combo of the big busts - JP Losman/EJ Manuel/Mike Williams/Aaron Maybin - but it's hard to blame a guy too much for being a bust. Besides Maybin they all seemed to try.
There are probably a few good candidates from the pre-Kelly era too.
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Cook has the POTENTIAL to be top 5, but he needs at least 2 more years like last year to pass Fred, Shady, Travis Henry or Marshawn. Even Kenneth Davis is, at the moment, more of an all-time Bill.
Cook is like CJ Spiller at this moment in his career. Exciting to watch, but has to put it together year after year.
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On 6/5/2024 at 9:59 AM, Brand J said:
I’m a Keon Coleman fan, I loved his highlight video more than most of the receivers coming out. With that said, Parrino also mentioned Jamarcus Ingram was holding his own with Coleman, even had the defensive sideline hooting and hollering. I wasn’t bothered when I heard Elam was getting the better of him on some reps, but now Jamarcus Ingram? Hmmm…
When you watch his tape, Coleman feasted on college-level CBs that he could out muscle. That s%$* won't fly in the NFL. He's going to have a steep learning curve and will need to perfect his craft quickly, b/c his lack of speed will allow CBs to quickly recover from any initial moves.
1 hour ago, NickelCity said:Doesn't he usually play well in preseason and practice?
"Would be a flag football HOFer" is how I've heard him described.
Claypool has the talent and measurables to succeed. He wasn't a 2nd round pick for nothing. He balled out his rookie year too, but it's the maturity and consistency which has since been a major issue. Which is stuff that will show up over the course of the season, not at your first OTA with a new team.
However, If he gets his head on straight he could be due for a resurgence. It was a good flyer to take.
But the fact he's the most consistent WR so far is just as damning of the other WRs.
Either Claypool has really put it back together and is just excelling, or we're in for some growing pains.
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4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I don't think you're going to see all that much, honestly.
We don't have enough money to sign our Draft Picks right now. So that will take out a couple million. You need 2-3 to pay for the Practice Squad for the year. And we'll need to keep 2-3 for in season spending. That cuts into most of it.
I think we'll sign a Cornerback. And there's a lot of good ones still left. Douglas was brought in last year to replace Tre. Daequan Hardy was brought in to replace Siran Neal. But we didn't add anyone to replace Dane Jackson yet. And with how often Benford is injured and Elam still being a question mark, I don't see them relying on UDFA's and PS players to replace Jackson - which is where we're currently at.
Everyone says DE and WR. But Beane has already made more moves at those positions than players we need to replace. At WR, we lost Stefon Diggs (replaced by Keon Coleman), Gabe Davis (replaced by MVS), Deonte Harty (replaced by Curtis Samuel), and Trent Sherfield (replaced by Mack Hollins). We also added Chase Claypool, K.J. Hamler, and have Justin Shorter debuting off his Redshirt year, after being Drafted in Round 5. We're only keeping 6 max and he's not going to release *all* of the latter list. Or all of the latter list plus one of MVS or Hollins, if we keep only 5 like last season.
At Defensive End, we lost Leonard Floyd and Shaq Lawson. We signed Dawuane Smoot (to some guaranteed money), Casey Toohill, and Drafted Javon Solomon. More than that, they re-signed Epenesa to a long term deal with a big pay raise. They wouldn't have brought him back and at the amount they did if they felt he was anything less than DE3 as the floor. They kept Miller, who they have faith will show improvement with an offseason of training and a full year removed from his ACL. Between Epenesa and Miller, one of them is going to start opposite Groot and the other will be DE3. And I don't see them cutting Smoot or Solomon. There's your 5. As it is, guys like Casey Toohill and Kingsley Jonathan are unlikely to make the roster.
It's fine to question whether he should have signed or Drafted someone more prestigious than he did at either position group. But he's made these moves, most of which with roles in mind. He's not going to cut a bunch of them he just signed because you think he should have done more. Moves like MVS and Smoot wouldn't have been made if he planned on something more. It's like Harty and Sherfield last year. You could argue he should have done more (and you would have been right) - but the moves were already made and they weren't going anywhere. Just like most of the 9 moves he decided to make at WR and DE this offseason to replace 7 roster spots.
He could easily still cut bait on Claypool, Hollins, MVS, Hamler and others, just like he should have on Sheffield and Harty and gotten someone who could make a real difference. But you're right, he won't.
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This is probably what they're waiting for to re-sign Hyde.
I don't think we add to the WR room after all the mediocre signings of late.
But CB depth would be wise
(Trigger Warning) Haven’t been this disinterested in an upcoming Bills season in a long time
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Wider point is that Beane and McD seem to undervalue WRs compared to other top teams. The Bills draft capital investment has been skewed toward DE.
Is that right strategy? Hasn't gotten us to the SB or even AFCC, except once.
Despite it, they again this past year they subtracted more than they added.